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 koooaei wrote:

 Commander Jimbob wrote:

Eldar and Dark Eldar working together does make sense, the relationship they have isn't equal to that of the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. While they may be opposites in morals, they both care enough about the minuscule population of the Eldar race in general that they'll come to each other's aid in times of extreme need.

It's called desperate allies.

Yep, but that's game speak more than fluff speak; I was trying to give background to the reasoning.

 Commander Jimbob wrote:

 koooaei wrote:

 Commander Jimbob wrote:

Eldar and Dark Eldar working together does make sense, the relationship they have isn't equal to that of the Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines. While they may be opposites in morals, they both care enough about the minuscule population of the Eldar race in general that they'll come to each other's aid in times of extreme need.

It's called desperate allies.

Yep, but that's game speak more than fluff speak; I was trying to give background to the reasoning.

And it actually contradicts being battlebrothers imo.

My Night Lord Orbital Assault force vs a DA Deathwing force. He had first turn and chose to bring his stuff in for some reason instead of holding back. I came in close and swamped him in bolter fire and volkite. I had a flamer squad, cheapest squad I can bring which was a point filler for an extra drop pod, wipe a term squad in one volley. The game was pretty much over turn two when my aircraft and all my drop pods came on the board.

It's a tear between two matches I played when I first started 40k. I had a pretty basic force of Tau during the awful 5th edition era. My opponent brung not only two Necron flyers but also 8 wraiths (I later found out it he was lying about how many he was allowed to play). Naturally I got hammered with not one of his models lost. On the other side of things though my current AM is pretty horrible against nids. One boy At the old games workshop I used to play at never one a match against me. On top of this I haven't lost a match to nids in over a year. I've drawn once and that was due to the opposition bringing FW models.

Two 600 point Escalation campaign games going on simultaneously. One being my Ultramarines (Captain with power sword and two Tactical Squads with HB/F and ML/F) against an Ork List, also being pretty much the contents of AOBR.
My IG ally in the campaign had taken a LRBT, Vendetta, and filled up the rest with a CCS, 2 Veteran Squads and some very minimal upgrades, versus an Ork Horde list.
I won my game by wiping my opponent by Turn 3/4, no Marine casualties AT ALL.
The IG player was tabled at turn 5/6, after killing just over half of the Orks, which we were rather surprised at!
But a perfect no-deaths win is pretty amazing!

I posted this one on a few different places before.

It was right after 7th got released and I was knee deep in Eldar players. 3+ save Serpents were giving me troubles and I was frankly tired of playing against them. I had just finished a 1850 point game against a chaos guy vs my IG using a fun Bullgryn list that wasn't very great. The game took a while and a new player showed up at the store right at the end. He had played before, but took a break for a year and was trying to get back in. He had 1500 points of Eldar and we only had a few hours left before the store closed also I just played a multi hour game so I kind of didn't want to do it, but we needed more people at our store so I didn't want him to leave and not feel welcome. I said like screw it who cares if I lose and I just shaved off what ever I could from my current list so I would have to start digging through my box which would take forever. His list wasn't too rough, but it has two serpents some Walkers, Spiders, and some reserve Jetbike squads. I looked at what he deployed and was like man I took out the wrong stuff. I was sure I was going to lose.

We threw the table together really quick. Then we rolled for everything got Dawn of War and he got first turn. I rolled for my powers and every one I got was completely useless for the build. The way he deployed had him near most of the objectives. And the side I was on left me no real room to maneuver and deploy how I should. Things were looking super grim.

Then I rolled a 6 to steal the initiative. From that point on it was as if the stars had aligned. What followed was the most absurd beatdown I had ever seen. Because he deployed first he left everything out in the open. My artillery all hit and even got through a shield and immobilized a serpent and HWT made another jink. Pask and his Vanquisher buddy shredded the spiders that were deployed too close. Overall it was a strong alpha strike. However, as with Eldar I knew he could make a comeback pretty easily especially with the holes in my list. However, the guy was afraid of Pask and dumped the majority of his firepower into him. The Bullgryns were granting Camo Pask a 3+ save and he basically wasted most of his strong long range shooting. I ended up only losing a few Guardsmen.

Unfortunately, the top of two proved to be even more devastating for him than the first turn. All of his stuff started to die and I suddenly felt really bad. He has made some bad decisions and the dice gods had abandoned him and were favoring me, everything hit again and I basically killed or neutralized everything at this point. I can't describe how absurd my luck was. None of his bikes came in turn 2 and he really didn't do much to me as the rest of his army was seriously degraded. I asked if he wanted to call it, but he said lets keep going. I ended up tabling him on the top of turn 4 with one of his bikes still in reserve. I don't think I lost a full unit.

I still felt like crap, but honestly if that happened to me in reverse and my opponent tried to throw the game I would just feel worse so I kept playing as normal. I said sorry and was like I don't know what happened, but he was a great sport about it. We played a few more times later down the line and he has done much better. However, I did notice that progressively more and more Wave Serpents were being added to his list.

Anyone else notice that the vast majority of these lopsided games have been in the 500-1000 point range. This game was really meant to be played at 1500-2000 points. The smaller the game, the more likely your opponent has something you didn't bring anything to counter. If your opponent has a land raider at 750 points and you didn't bring a tank hunting squad it's basically game over. If you're having lots of games like this, try playing at 1500+ so you can actually bring some anti air, tank hunters and anti infantry.

 Toofast wrote:
Anyone else notice that the vast majority of these lopsided games have been in the 500-1000 point range. This game was really meant to be played at 1500-2000 points. The smaller the game, the more likely your opponent has something you didn't bring anything to counter. If your opponent has a land raider at 750 points and you didn't bring a tank hunting squad it's basically game over. If you're having lots of games like this, try playing at 1500+ so you can actually bring some anti air, tank hunters and anti infantry.

Yup. Smaller games noticeably mess up the balance. In a smaller game, it's even more about WHAT you bring, not how you use it. Given that we're talking about 40k here, which isn't that balanced to begin with, that's saying something.

This wasn't me, but I was observing.

It was back in 5th Edition. We were having a tournament using Planetstrike rules. One of my friends was playing Tyranids and was attacking, my other friend was playing Space Marines and was defending.

One of the special rules in Planetstrike is that as the attacker, you can basically Deep Strike anything. If you unit already has Deep Strike, then you get a bonus that you're allowed to Assault the turn you arrive from Deep Strike.

This was 5th Edition, so my Tyranid player friend was playing with a couple of Trygons and I think he had some Genestealers Deep Striking as well.

Basically as soon as Tyranids started their turn the Trygons showed up and mulched everything without the Space Marines being able to do anything in return. When the non-deep striking parts of the Tyranid army showed up it really didn't matter because all the Space Marines were either locked in combat with a Trygon or trying to kill the Trygons ramaging through the area. The game was pretty much over after the 2nd turn.

After that we never played another Planetstrike campaign again. Besides that rule there are just a bunch of other rules with it that are way out of balance.

I've posted this story before in another thread but it fits for this too.

In a game of my IG versus Greentide Orks -

Deathstrike Missile was fired danger close to my Fortress walls in order to try wiping out the Ork horde bearing down on my defenders.

The Missile scattered backwards and destroyed 3 sections of my Fortress, leaving only the Missile bunker, and killing 35 men (20 of which were veterans), my Inquisitor and his retinue. Also caught in the blast was my last Tarantula turret.

Suffice it to say, I had effectively tabled myself and my opponent cleaned up the survivors, including the offending Deathstrike Missile Launcher, the following turn.

I was in a 2nd ed game against CSM where my BA didn't even get a turn. They killed my entire list in one shooting phase.

 Otto Weston wrote:
I've posted this story before in another thread but it fits for this too.

In a game of my IG versus Greentide Orks -

Deathstrike Missile was fired danger close to my Fortress walls in order to try wiping out the Ork horde bearing down on my defenders.

The Missile scattered backwards and destroyed 3 sections of my Fortress, leaving only the Missile bunker, and killing 35 men (20 of which were veterans), my Inquisitor and his retinue. Also caught in the blast was my last Tarantula turret.

Suffice it to say, I had effectively tabled myself and my opponent cleaned up the survivors, including the offending Deathstrike Missile Launcher, the following turn.

Ouch... If I were in that battle, I'd feel so bad for the guy who aimed the missile.

6th ed, my SOB versus Necrons.
It was so one sided that it actually left a bad taste in my mouth.
The fliers came in, shot up my exorcists, beamed down an away team of necron immortals and I think I managed to permanently kill one squad of his. If that.

The most one sided game I've ever had was my 1500 point Water Warrior GK versus 1500 points of TAC Ultramarines. I never disembarked. Three Land Raiders, half my army, preceded to dismantle his balanced Ultramarine list. I did not lose a single model. We both agreed that game sucked.

Not all match ups are fair, not all shots hit, and not all hits wound. The fun games, though, are the ones where either side could have win at any point, up to the end, where the winner is decided after reviewing what actually happened. Those are the best games!

SJ

I just played a game of my Harlequins and Dark Eldar vs Grey Knights with an Imperial Knights. I expected to lose horribly but he was Deep Striking a Dreadknight, his Libby with terminator squad, and a LoTD melta squad in, and turn one he positioned his Land Raider and Knight right next to each other...and I had 6 Haywire blasts turn 1 come in and wreck the raider and take 3 HP off the knight. My troops popped a rhino and on his turn the IK spectacularly failed to harm anything (yay 4++ on harlequin vehicles) and my bikes and deep striking scourges finished it off turn 2 and he was tabled before anything of his could come in turn 2. I lost 3 models to overwatch and 3 bikes.

Any game I've played against the Newcrons

After about a month or two into campaign, I had faced almost exclusively the "easier" players. I had been fielding foot Swordwind basically the whole time.

I then attacked a veteran player, and we were going to play a 1000pt game.

I figured, I love the idea of mechdar. He can handle it. So I mech up (only 1 Serpent, everything a skimmer vehicle or inside one).

I show up and its Pink Horrors behind an ADL, Plague bearers in heavy cover, a Soul Grinder, Book, and lots of psykery goodness.

If it had been Swordwind, everything would have bounced off of his 2+ rerollable cover or his 3+/5+FnP Plague Bearers. While his Grinder lobbed death at me in spades.

But meched up, only his Icarus Lascannon and Soul Grinder could touch me, especially at range. Lucky Explodes on the Grinder got me FB from my first Pulse Laser fired. He couldn't win after that (he'd have to come to me, leaving his rediculous saves behind, letting me destroy him quickly). Sat back taking potshots at the army he had put together to hardcounter what I usually brought (would have been brutal had I gone with Swordwind).

lustigjh wrote:
Any game I've played against the Newcrons

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Played a match a few months ago with my "White Tide" Blood Claw spam list against an unbound Tau gunline consisting of 2 R'Varna Riptides and 4 regular ones. By turn 4 he had managed to kill ~60 out of the 80 Blood Claws in my list and the entire 6-man TWC unit- not a single model ever made it into assault.

It was in that moment that I realized yes, foot-slogging lists were officially dead.

My opponent had a hell of a time, though.

Yeah I agree footslogging isn't great anymore, but judging a list based off a game against 6 riptides might not be the most fair assessment haha.

2000 points, I set up my ravenwing and deathwing only to find out my randomly matched opponent for the night (we roll partners in that group) had brought a tough dark eldar list... I gimped less than 10 models to turn 3 or 4 before he completed tabling me

Playing an Unbound Sisters of Battle/vanilla Marines list against my mom's Unbound Orks list. 750 points on each side, both armies heavy on infantry with a couple of light vehicles each (I had a pair of Land Speeders, she had a pair of Killa Kanz, everything else was infantry.

I was tabled by turn 4. Inflicted maybe a dozen casualties in return.

My generic incompetence isn't entirely to blame. The table was also 3 feet from end to end and we started about 18 inches apart. Also I rolled a large number of 1s and 2s for armor saves...

Edit: Figured I'd add more detail.

We played without the random objectives thingy that I forget what they're called, and it was Purge the Alien.

From memory, I had:
-Space Marines Captain with Stormbolter and Thunder Hammer
-2x Land Speeder with Typhoon Missile Launchers and Multi-meltas
-2x10 Battle Sisters with Meltagun, Flamer, Superior with Stormbolter
-2x5 Retributors with 2x Heavy Bolters, Superior with Stormbolter

She had:
-Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun and 1 Ammo Runt
-Warboss in Mega Armor (possibly with bosspole)
-1x20 Boyz with Sluggas, 2 Big Shootas, Nob with Big Choppa and Bosspole
-1x20 Boyz with Shootas, 2 Big Shootas, Nob with Big Choppa and Bosspole
-Killa Kan with Grotzooka
-Killa Kan with Big Shoota
-2x5 Lootas

I deployed first, placed the Retributors on either side of my zone, the two squads of Sisters in the middle, and the Land Speeders on either side of the infantry.

She deployed her Boyz roughly in the middle, Lootas behind them and to the sides, and Killa Kanz on the outside. The Big Mek was way off to one side by himself, and the Warboss was with the Boyz with Shootas.

There was a hill in the middle of the field, with four forests scattered around it. The table was only about 3 feet on each side.

She Seized the Initiative, moved her Boyz and Kanz up. Big Mek got off a lucky Strength 10 (but not double 5) shot which landed where it was supposed to, put 8 wounds on a Battle Sisters Squad, I made 3 Shield of Faith saves. Lootas destroyed one of the Land Speeders, earning First Blood, the other got lucky and made its cover saves.

My first turn, I moved my infantry and surviving Land Speeder up. My Land Speeder took out the Big Mek, and my Retributors inflicted a few casualties.

My mom's second turn, her Slugga Boyz crested the hill in front of my Captain and his squad of Sisters. Shoota Boyz were a bit slow as they had to wait for the Warboss to keep up. Killa Kanz kept moving forward. Lootas finished off the second Land Speeder and put some wounds on a Retributor Squad, which they saved. The Kan with a Grotzooka got immensely good hits on the undamaged Battle Sisters, with 12 hits total, and they failed 7 saves. Shoota Boyz finished off that squad. The other Killa Kan didn't do much, fired its Big Shoota as the other Retributors without killing anything. The Orks bellowed WAAAAAAGH! and charged over the hill into the Captain and his squad. The Sisters inflicted a few casualties, but were overrun quickly by the masses of Orks. The Captain was cut down before he could swing his mighty hammer. Orks consolidated towards one of the Retributor squads.

My second turn, all I had left was two undamaged squads of Retributors, one of which put about a half-dozen casualties on the Orks coming towards them. The other squad prayed to the God-Emperor for his blessing on their aim, and targeted the weak points of the nearest Killa Kan, wrecking it.

My mom's third turn, her remaining firepower was enough to kill two Retributors and send the rest of the squad running off the table edge, and leave only two Retributors remaining in the other.

My Sisters fired at the nearest mob of Boyz, killing a couple.

My mom's fourth turn saw the end of that remaining squad.

Tabled.

A game of deathwing versus imperial guard. Didn't really pay attention when he was telling me what all his list entailed, so i didn't catch the demolisher cannon russ and the valkyrie full of demo charge vets. opted to go second. T1 he moved some stuff around. my T1, i dropped belial in with some other squads, fried a unit of guardsmen, blew up a chimaria, some other random stuff. Then 3/4 of belials unit died to the demolisher shell (no scatter). The valkyrie came on and the vets jumped out and threw demo charges wiping out another squad. A battery of lascannons (that got prescienced) took out half another squad. I conceeded with maybe a total of 5 terminators left on the board versus about a hundred guardsmen and other stuff.

 Otto Weston wrote:
I've posted this story before in another thread but it fits for this too.

In a game of my IG versus Greentide Orks -

Deathstrike Missile was fired danger close to my Fortress walls in order to try wiping out the Ork horde bearing down on my defenders.

The Missile scattered backwards and destroyed 3 sections of my Fortress, leaving only the Missile bunker, and killing 35 men (20 of which were veterans), my Inquisitor and his retinue. Also caught in the blast was my last Tarantula turret.

Suffice it to say, I had effectively tabled myself and my opponent cleaned up the survivors, including the offending Deathstrike Missile Launcher, the following turn.

Sweet! A historical refight of the Rynn's World disaster! Mad props!

My DE vs MC Nids...I don't think I need to explain.

pesce5279 wrote:
My DE vs MC Nids...I don't think I need to explain.

We specifically made a terrible MC nid list for our dark eldar player to play against and finally get a win.
He somehow still lost. Badly. Like turn 3 concession.

My Imperial Guard 3000pts, mostly infantry and leman russes vs assassins, mission was the city fight with reserve rolling per turn one, (start with a few units and then each turn after more come on provided the dice gods are in your favour!)

Simply put, the dice gods hated me and I refuse to play against the army at all!

1st turn my 2 guard squads were shot to death, only three survived to turn two
2nd turn only got three more squads in, the opponent got most of his assassins in and well, only one squad survived to the next turn
3rd turn, one squadron of demolishers comes on + four squads of infantry, all his assassins are on, demolishers wipe out one of my own squads, i kill an eversor that dies and explodes killing two squads of mine, he destroys two of the squadron plus another squad
4th turn i get the rest of my infantry on, and last leman russ squdron on, he has claimed and held all objectives for all turns and is sitting on 100+ VP, I only have 1, he wipes out demolisher squadron, three more squads and I call quits with only killing under half his assassins in total 4 of various temples while I only have one squadron of leman russes and two squads left.

He tried convincing me I could still win....I called him a power gamer and That GUY, he laughed and said I have fluff, means not a power gamer and has since tried to convince me to play him

My response.........NO!