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@experiment 626: I guess you could say she was 'top heavy'.

Btw when that girl mentioned she wore a tank top (the girl I knew) considering it was an imperial guard forum she posted on I'd like to imagine she had a tank turret on her chest. Apparently the tank top in question is strength D ;P. I mean how else could they be held up?

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Ask him to provide historical evidence of the East Lancs ever using Leman Russ and Chimeras to crush the third reich!

We've got one guy who has a habit of moving your models when he's not playing but stands at the sideline as a spectator. I don't play as often as I'd love to myself, but having to hear this guy call me out on having models a bit outside of the deployment zone or putting models at the best possible position for you is rather annoying. He did the same during a more casual event where you'd bring a veteran, fight against hordes of zombies using Age of Sigmar like rules, so less thinking, more chucking dice and blasting away at zombies. He even went as far as moving my model quite a few times because "that's what was best for us all"

Ouch man, ouch.

God damn it, nerds. Next time you feel entitled to hit on girls just for being in a hobby shop I'm going to aggressively come on to you until you have a break down.

I've surprisingly only had one instance of this during a game. Namely when someone brought in a flyer during 4th edition (like, years ago, not a flyer with 4th edition rules) and I didn't realize I couldn't shoot at it because of the massive penalties to shooting.

However he was a good friend and not only gave me warning, but also profusely apologized to me once we both realized how thoroughly fraked I was.

All my other grievances tends to come up on online discussions, namely with rule discussions or people who build overpowered lists and then starts raging at other people with actual sensible lists.

(I once did see someone with a 5-Wraithknight list complain about someone using a C'tan Shard. Apparently an undercosted LOW spam is ok but the moment you get a star-god in then it's a no-no).

quick share about the stuff that happened on my FLGS, TBH Warhammer isnt as big as in Europe,or in America.The player in my FLGS is able to be counted with hand as that proof how small it is.

So far no BO related case here.

1. My old Store manager here in the FLGS,he always always took up half the store for his painting,eventhough he could move his paint station and paint on the other table,he won't eventhough we're going to use the table for our 1500 pts. we only have 1 table at that time and the dude just wont move his ass. whenever anyone come into the store and asks "what's warhammer?" the store manager just said "just google it !" , he did the same thing whenever people ask the price of the box or when I ask the price of some boxsets via Whatsapp.

2. The Racist Zealot Bigot. This dude really bugs me alot.
at first we quarel about the supposed leaked of Rules of War for Age of Sigmar,he said that GeeDub "leaked" this rule to balance the game,for all I know this ruleset is home made and not made officially.So I counter his arguement saying "if it's leaked then why isn't it available ? or GW saying that new rulesets are coming? and why the rumor sites don't confirm this?" Also I put up another arguement, "If Marvel or DC have their footage leaked,will they stop releasing the movie?" at this point I think he raged and said over in the FLGS whatsapp group saying "Ok I think im out of this r*y pork style of talking,good luck continuing discussion. (r*y is another flgs manager,not the same as this store for obvious reason I bleeped his name) . Here comes the racist part. since I'm christian and I'm of Chinese ethnicity eating pork is definitely on my diet.A few weeks ago,me and my mates want to grab some grubs for lunch,that was after we finished a game of AoS.He came into the store and just wander around looking at the army etc.Then when he heard that me and the guys are going for lunch,he said : "Why do you need to eat? you got nutrition from the worms inside the pork you consume." wtf dude wtf indeed. His facebook profile is filled with conspiracy theories and Jews etc like that,total Idget.

3, The guy who never buys
So I want to sell my Sigmar side of AoS starter set,so I post it up and suprise suprise it's the guy who never buys who's interested, so I dub him the guy who never buys because this incident happened alot.
So I said it's still mint all model included + base, so he said to bring it to the store,so we agreed on the date and time.
on D-day he said he can't come to the store so he WONT buy the models, awesome logic bro. So I said when will you be able then? he said he will inform me.
Yeah,he never buys.

4. The crazy japanese canadian dude

He's really into his space wolves,he even kit bashed some Chaos Space Marine bits to his space wolves model,To me personally I don't mind as long as its WYSIWYG, but during a 500pts game vs me,he brings a Land Raider,A fething LAND RAIDER!

5.Weird White clothing dude

another weird one,he's the dude who comes to the store,never plays and ask weird things to people in the store,he wears white ALWAYS white,his pants,his shirt,his shoes! this is weird at time,especially if you're in game,focusing alot and he asks weird questions all the time.

 BrookM wrote:
We've got one guy who has a habit of moving your models when he's not playing but stands at the sideline as a spectator. I don't play as often as I'd love to myself, but having to hear this guy call me out on having models a bit outside of the deployment zone or putting models at the best possible position for you is rather annoying. He did the same during a more casual event where you'd bring a veteran, fight against hordes of zombies using Age of Sigmar like rules, so less thinking, more chucking dice and blasting away at zombies. He even went as far as moving my model quite a few times because "that's what was best for us all"

Ouch man, ouch.

Okay this right here. THIS RIGHT HERE . That's just .. NO. If you want to look at my model that's fine but you ASK. I don't care who you think you are or what you've done, if you come bebopping up to the table and out of nowhere start moving my models, I'm stopping right there and you and me are having words. Thats just URGH, seriously gets me heated. Whats even worse is that this guy isn't just picking the model up to look at it but moving in them under the pretext of "no no no, you want it here" He'd get his hand swatted like naughty toddler. Zero tolerance for these no boundaries jokers. Who even does this, I mean what gets in their head to make them think that this is okay?

If he tried to do that in the store I go to he'd probably get shot.

Yeah, that guy moving them for you under the pretense of "It's what's best for you" is really uncool.

I'd definitely sternly tell him to stop doing it, then chew him out over it, then keep around sharp objects (like Chaos bits) and stab him with them every time he reaches for my models.

 morganfreeman wrote:
Yeah, that guy moving them for you under the pretense of "It's what's best for you" is really uncool.

I'd definitely sternly tell him to stop doing it, then chew him out over it, then keep around sharp objects (like Chaos bits) and stab him with them every time he reaches for my models.

This is probably why the Dreadsock was invented...

Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

Thank god I don't have this type of dude in my group, that type of behaviour is so annoying,if he wants to take out models instantly then why bother playing at all?

The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

newguy1984 wrote:
The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

true true,the most different rule interpertation is Gargantuan creature with each weapon and all weapon shooting

 Pertruabo wrote:

Spoiler:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

Thank god I don't have this type of dude in my group, that type of behaviour is so annoying,if he wants to take out models instantly then why bother playing at all?

He's a nice block to hang around, but a real pain in the arse as a player, even when we play X-wing, he will rant because i manage to hit his vessel 2 times on my 3 shots, and evade 2 of his shots, like i was responsible, i wish i could, but thats the dices dude.

Now i must admit that i must also grind some gears, i laugh and speak really loudly, like you can hear me laugh from the other side of the neighboor when i'm having a LMAO.

And even thouhg i try to be objective about things, i rant alot about CSM, nothing really original i guess...

newguy1984 wrote:
The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

People misinterept things all the time, despite it being laid out for them.

Vaccines, gmo, gluten allergies, mental illnesses are wildly misconstrued by the public. Occasionally even people with a more educated background make mistakes in regards to these things. Gw doing a horrid job writing the rules really doesn't help, though I've seen it crop up in dnd before and other RPGs quite often.

When I first started this game, at a demo game with a friend, I was told marines hit eldar scorpions on a 3+ because they are marines. I was confused, I knew they had stats but didn't know what they meant yet, but went along with it. Imagine my surprise when I got the rule book later. That guy is impossible to play with since he never reads the rules.

Flipping a table is probably the worst thing I've ever seen done. People who freak out over a die roll just baffle me.


One of my local shops has the worse pg for wmh I've ever seen. The guy blatantly cheats in games against new players because he can't beat veterans. I was turned off the game for years when he did it to me and said "page 5 dude". He played Cygnar, and it really made me hate the faction for a long time. Playing cryx didn't help.
Stomping him later felt great . It's rare that a new player beats a vet, and Cygnar is very good against cryx.

What really grinds my gears is the elitist mentality that seems to come from so many Loyalist Marine players, mainly towards Chaos players.

Happens all the time too...

Chaos Daemons become an entire army of Deep Striking, Eternal Warriors? OP as hell apparently. Fateweaver allowing re-rolls of saves? OP.
Grey Knights come out and can actively prevent Daemons from even legally deploying? Perfectly balanced/fluffy, and Daemon players just need to "L2P!lolz" GK's get every possible imaginable bonus vs. Daemons, to the point that games are near pointless? Imperial players call it fluffy.

Daemons then get a new codex that can go toe-to-toe with Imperials, including GK's? That's not fair. We get to have a dominating Psychic phase? 40k is now broken and unfixable.
Clown Car becomes a noob slayer list? Summoning should be removed from the game entirely.
Daemons can sink 800+pts of resources to abuse a re-rollable 2++ mechanic? Ban the Grimoire!


Don't even get started on how bad it is with Chaos Marines...

Ever since I started playing 40k at the start of the 3rd edition re-boot, Chaos Marines have had exactly 1 good codex. Every other book has been either complete trash, (3rd ed + 4th ed), or else in the case of the 6th ed book, was completely hamstrung by GW refusing to update our abysmally out of date model line.

And yet, Loyalists then get all of our rules perks in the form of Chapter Traits, alongside 'oodles of new toys - many of which Chaos should have as well.

Instead, we get to be nothing but Marines -10, and then the one definitively broken unit we do get, (Hellturkey), gets railed upon as the single worst thing to ever hit 40k tables.


I guess I'm just fed up with the perceived bias that Chaos players must always lose 100% of the time vs. Imperials, because "we're the bad guys" reasoning that Loyalist players constantly spew...
But then the few times we do get some really cool toys & options of our own, such as the current Daemons codex, we're blasted as being the worst things to ever happen to 40k.

I once had an opponent rage quit on me during a charity tournament on the first turn. Me and a few people still joke about it.

I had come from an overnight shift at work, was a bit tired, but I was excited to play new people. Working nights has cut into my 40k time, and I almost never see the people who play in north Vancouver.

My first game was a draw, and I loudly declare to all of the tables around me that I am going for a three draw streak or bust.

I was playing a Draigo Centurion Star (would be my fourth, fifth, and sixth games with it, all of it barely painted up) he was playing Nids with a pair of flyrants, two large hordes of gaunts with spawner MCs, a unit of gargoyles, a pair of venomthropes (separate) and a you it of zoanthropes with a neurothrope

We were playing maelstrom primary with the relic as secondary, hammer and anvil deployment. There was a fortress of redemption in his deployment zone, I had a sky shield. Other than that, there was a few rocks scattered around, not ,I have terrain since the limited amount had to be spread over about twenty tables.

before the Game even began he wandered off to talk to someone on another table. After he came back, we set up, rolled deployment, which I won. I set up in such a way so that one of the Dreadknights could grab the relic, the cents were in a middlish position, etc. The more important part was warlord traits - he rolled on the tyranid table, got a 3. Then he rerolled, got a one, and complained that there was no jungles on the table and that he got a worthless trait.

I decide to allow him to reroll again - he gets a one again. I shrug my shoulders and say 'that sucks'. It is a tournament, and I already gave an extra reroll, especially since he rolled away from something else to begin with.

Movement happens fine. He checks a few of my moves, but I shrug it off. I announce the Dreadknight is picking up the relic, draw the slay the warlord card, etc.

Psychic phase goes off fine. He realizes he didn't roll his psychic powers, and we have to take a break to do those.

Shooting phase rolls around. My first Dreadknight opens up, and this is where it starts going downhill.

I place the flamer template to maximize the amount of zoanthropes I hit. I happen to pick up a few gaunts and the exocrine.

By some lucky coincidence, I have the exact number of dice in my hand for the number of gaunts I hit, and roll them.

'So, the gaunts are the ones you are hitting? You rolled for them first, and because of target priority they are your target.'

I arch my eyebrow at him, and state that no, the zoanthropes are my primary target. I suppose in this instance it is partially my fault for not clearly stating the zoanthropes are what I plan on shooting at. But, He relents after only a few seconds, and we continue with the rest of the shooting phase,

It all falls apart when my plucky sniper scouts have range on a venomthrope. I manage to put a pair wounds on it, and he saves one with a four and the other fails with a two.

He then realizes we didn't roll for night fighting.

He then declares that, since neither of us brought up night fighting, it is automatically in effect. I reply that is not how it works, but he can have it on a 4+.

He refuses, restates what he said as fact, and takes the wound counter off the venomthrope. I decide to check the rule book. It clearly states there that if you want night fighting, you must declare that you want it before the game has begun.

He then calls a judge over. Who looks at the rule book and confirms that yes, I am right.

He is clearly unhappy st this point, and I admit I was a little miffed at this point as well for calling a judge over something the rule book is clear on.

He then declares that the one and only zoanthrope I managed to kill was now alive again, because of my previous error with 'target priority'.

I reply that 1: we've moved past that and 2: both Dreadknights shot it, do you Remember which one actually killed it?

From there, he states that my entire shooting should be invalid because i screwed up.

Needless to say this devolved into arguing. I'm not proud of arguing with him at that moment, but I wasn't going to let this guy push me around either.

Finally. He picks his models up off the table, declaring that I was a cheater (loudly) and yells that he was only at the tournament to have fun, and I was just there to be a douchebag.

I comment that I wasn't cheating, and that I was right about the night fighting rule (my smart ass side got a hold of me). He then says that if I don't shut up, he will break my models.

I look at the TO/judge in disbelief, and he just shakes his head.

we end up having separate private chats with two judges (the same ones) and I get awarded a one point victory for line breaker, for the strikes that deep striked in behind to Incineratpr some gaunts.

This was after he told the judges that I hadn't picked up the relic, and that I shouldn't be awarded the win at all. I won by a tertiary objective as the final ruling. At the time I didn't care, since I was tired and embarrassed and just wanted the situation to be over with.

And no, they didn't kick the guy out, didn't say anything to him - just let him play the third round against some other luckless guy, I guess.

It's not all bad, after it came up to my next opponent, he bought me some rum and pretty much everyone who has heard the story agrees this guy was a toolbag. (Could just be saying that because I was there...)

At the next tournament, he was there again, I scored more battle points and sportsmanship than him, so it's something, I suppose...

 Crazyterran wrote:
He then says that if I don't shut up, he will break my models.

If someone threatened to break my models, I might very well tell them that if they do I will push their face in. There is no excuse to threaten to destroy someone's property just because you had a disagreement in a fething game. That dumbass should have been banned from playing in local tournaments for a while.

Target priority?...isn't this a rule from 3rd edition?

Thats the point of a template, everything thats under it, gets hit by it...

Terran, that is hilarious. I've had people quit Turn 2-3 but I've never quite heard a sorry like that

I am a WAAC play but I use a weak codex. Chaos Space marines 2012.

I just had a temper tantrum helping a newbie play his list. I am an adult and should not have behaved in such a way. I am ashamed.

Also my other list is 5 IK and never wins any maelstrom missions but what ever.

People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

I would win games, if it weren't for always rolling so many damn 1's...

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

I tend to try and make fun of my own failures. Like I might say that my Marines were too busy admiring the shininess of the tank next to them and forgot to take cover. Makes the game a bit more light hearted.

I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

Just power gamers and snobs. I think I covered it before.

That and store managers that keep pestering you to buy more and that you're not buying enough even when you're buying from them. Listening ***hole I spend what I can and I have to deal with 3 different groups of people a week yelling/complaing to me for some reason (family, work and GW manager) to do more, spend less, spend more, etc. I don't have to put up with the GW manager as I'm a customer. If anything they should kiss my *** and beg for me to buy something rather than practically insult me for not buying something.

You know what else grinds my gears is the fact all the warhammer fantasy players were turned into the 'Bad Guy' by GW. Seriously that's what you get for years of support and hundreds if not thousands spent on your stupid games? Screw you GW seriously.

The final last thing that grinds my gears is playing an army I like and having the army suck. That or when it magically supposedly either gets a good codex/army book years down the road after you've played them for forever and due to an 8 page FAQ (skaven) people can't stand playing them and complain constantly about your old out of date codex/army book and actively try not to play your faction even though they play a more OP faction like wood elves or a more OP build like mono nurgle daemons with epidemius (which can and will hold up a unit of 40 stormvermin with maybe 5 plaguebearers and still win because skaven are OP obviously. God I hate those people. Meanwhile spells like 13th which took a crap ton to cast and only effected elite infantry received all the complaints even though skaven had next to no way to handle elf fast cavalry armies besides advance in a line across the board and pray they can't get past your hoards (which they probably could because ambushers, tons of shots and that stupid teleport through trees ability). Oh and you know who made most of the elves and daemons? Mat Ward. Skaven army book was made by somebody less hated that wasn't as bad at balance. Also good luck handling an ogre army and generally skaven weapons teams being easily picked out and killed became useless in late 8th edition (if you can think of a better waste of 55-70 pts I don't know what it can be esp. if you end up facing elves).

So yeah GW's balance in general.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Just power gamers and snobs. I think I covered it before.

That and store managers that keep pestering you to buy more and that you're not buying enough even when you're buying from them. Listening ***hole I spend what I can and I have to deal with 3 different groups of people a week yelling/complaing to me for some reason (family, work and GW manager) to do more, spend less, spend more, etc. I don't have to put up with the GW manager as I'm a customer. If anything they should kiss my *** and beg for me to buy something rather than practically insult me for not buying something

GW managers have huge Quotas to fill. The best one I knew explained why you never buy one paint pot unless you want him gone. They have to keep telling you to buy things. Every guy that worked at mine apologized for saying it and a few even made a joke out of it...

"I see you have some Tyranids there... Would you care you buy our new Warhammer Fantasy box set?"

or

"Ah, those are some great orks you have there... Would you like to add these 5 stompas to your collection?"

I understand that it's a pain but I have limited funds. I know they're under a hammer and I don't work retail but to an extent I am too. I have to work constantly at my job (a factory) and if I'm not working I'm working faster and harder. I have to work faster and harder and I get flak for not doing that fast enough. I'm under a hammer too to an extent. I feel worst for the people that didn't get in through family or similar (the random workers) as they probably have an 80% turnover rate (4 out of 5 will be gone very soon). Keep in mind this is the privilege to work a minimum wage job at about $8.25 per hour. Yep that's my pay. Keep in mind I have living expenses like bills, food and rent. It was so bad I had to move into a place with 2 other roommates (one is super Christian and won't shut up and the other is quite possibly a neo-Nazi or Columbine shooting suspect type). Yeah those are my roommates. I live in a very crappy situation.

I understand the crap he's going through but I also understand his company is pretty dumb and greedy as well and I realize it's not good for him but it's also messed up that he's getting somewhat mad at me for this. When I come to relax somewhere one day a week and can barely afford the hobby it's nice not to receive complaints from various people from the store (most of them admittedly left with the advent of Age of Sigmar).

Anyway I don't totally blame him but rather his company. That said I used to know way better store employees at the store that closed at the mall. You may say that's probably why it closed but I dunno. The official explanation was that the mall was changing its theme and last I checked all the game stores and cyber cafes were gone (maybe with the exception of stuff like gamestop).

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

The final last thing that grinds my gears is playing an army I like and having the army suck. That or when it magically supposedly either gets a good codex/army book years down the road after you've played them for forever and due to an 8 page FAQ (skaven) people can't stand playing them and complain constantly about your old out of date codex/army book and actively try not to play your faction even though they play a more OP faction like wood elves or a more OP build like mono nurgle daemons with epidemius (which can and will hold up a unit of 40 stormvermin with maybe 5 plaguebearers and still win because skaven are OP obviously. God I hate those people. Meanwhile spells like 13th which took a crap ton to cast and only effected elite infantry received all the complaints even though skaven had next to no way to handle elf fast cavalry armies besides advance in a line across the board and pray they can't get past your hoards (which they probably could because ambushers, tons of shots and that stupid teleport through trees ability). Oh and you know who made most of the elves and daemons? Mat Ward. Skaven army book was made by somebody less hated that wasn't as bad at balance. Also good luck handling an ogre army and generally skaven weapons teams being easily picked out and killed became useless in late 8th edition (if you can think of a better waste of 55-70 pts I don't know what it can be esp. if you end up facing elves).

So yeah GW's balance in general.

1. Welcome to how 40k Chaos players feel!
Don't own IA:13? Hope you've got Daemons then, 'cause other wise you're boned.

2. I'll take your weapon teams, and raise you a wasted 2500+ pts of Daemons vs. High Elves! (because when was the last time you ever saw an elf army without their super skillful Ward(tm) Banner?!)

As bad as Skaven weapon teams became, they were still nothing as compared to the massive levels of pure rodent gak that Bloodletters were... 12pts a pop for Daemonic Instanbility, a single S4 attack, and a super squishy T3/5++ dude. It would be normal to charge elven archers and actually lose combat!
And adding a Herald to the unit? Good luck with that... 175pts base just to give out Hatred, with a T4/W2/5++ model that could be singled out, and had no way to buy any form of protection! (but you could spend another 50pts for a 16% shot at a 2+ armour save! )

The only thing Bloodletters were great for was to sucker gullible opponents into throwing everything they had into destroying the unit before it could bounce off them! Anyone who'd actually seen Bloodletters in combat new that you could just throw a unit of basic grunts that cost less than half their pts at them and grind them to nothing.

At least my 32 converted 'Letters looked good getting their faces routinely kicked in by lousy Men-at-Arms though! (I guess that's something, right?!)