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They have normal sizes. And Pym eventually goes to giant man which would fit in a hulk sized blister. But yeah, not as simple. Otherwise team as assumed sounds good.

True, true... but where's the fun in 'regular person sized' Ant-man? Unless they did a large blister with tiny, regular and massive versions of each of them!

 GrimDork wrote:
They have normal sizes. And Pym eventually goes to giant man which would fit in a hulk sized blister. But yeah, not as simple. Otherwise team as assumed sounds good.

"Giant-Man" would be significantly bigger than 'a hulk sized blister' - unless you're saying have "Giant-Man" be at his 'normal' height, and then where's the fun (or point!) in that?

Does he always get mega tall? I figured something hulk sized would get the idea across, or even s bit taller since obviously not as bulky. Regardless, I don't see it happening, I don't think they're as popular of characters as the rest anyway.

Oh for things I'd like to have ooln the x-men side... Nightcrawler and uhh... Is shadowcat the one that phases through stuff? Teleport and ignore terrain sound fun to play

Well, there's essentially zero point to a non-giant Giant-Man!

Alright I think we've beaten this dead horse to..death? Squishy paste? Anyway.. So give tiny ant man stats and sell a $20 empty base right?

 GrimDork wrote:
Alright I think we've beaten this dead horse to..death? Squishy paste? Anyway.. So give tiny ant man stats and sell a $20 empty base right?

it would have tactical deterius on it

Give me Deadpool Corps

Next model set; the Avengers. Not much new here, only the Black Widow is a new sculpt. Thor is a real powerhouse coming in at level 13, while Black Widow has the lowest level shown so far at 4.

Its interesting to note that the Avengers box comes in at 31 levels and the Guardians are at 30. So start speculating on the points for the Xmen!

Interesting. How many points is Cap? I'm curious what the 'gap' is between him and BW..

Oooh. So that I could buy. Widow is a bit *too* objectified but what are you gonna do? Thor is awesome, Ironman's striking a decent pose, and I like that Cap...even if it looks like he's fighting a giant all the time.

The Cap pose would be great if they modeled a female figure swooning in his other arm . Then it'd be like "Hey babe, let me protect you from the brightness of the sun with my shield."

I can see how it's hard to pose someone who would be behind the shield without covering up the details.

Yeah, it is by no means a bad pose. Does cap still use guns? I guess probably not, seems like he did when it was war era. He'd look good with a pistol in his other hand.

BW's legs are long too.. she's got Starlord syndrome. Also, her waist is size:Lefield.

Yeah Cap sometimes uses guns. Not as a point of habit but there are modern comics (and even a scene in Avengers) where the current mission required he pick up a gun for a minute. There was a graphic novel where they raided a base (I think Hydra but coulda been AIM) and he was packing heat from the go. Anyway.. just thought I'd throw that in. USAgent packs heat on the regular and when Punisher tried being Cap, he packed heat. I "think" Bucky-cap had a pistol as well.

Giant man could be neat. Just by a 12" Ant-Man action figure and you're set. http://www.amazon.com/Marvel-Titan-Hero-Series-Ant-Man/dp/B00WO0AJ96/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454692406&sr=8-1&keywords=12%22+ant-man

I missed it or it hasn't been discussed.. are vehicles going to be involved? A quinjet is a big equalizer for Widow and Hawkeye. Wolverine loves motorcycles, and Cyclops likes to blast Backstreet Boys from his import racer.. That said.. I think vehicles would be complicated but as supplemental rules they could be neat.

Finally, I checked the first post and I don't see mention of a release date. Has there been any word?

Vehicle rules? I hope so! That way my custom character will be able to drive her '68 Shelby around! You are right though - the introduction of vehicles where they will help with combat or objective grabbing will be a great way to bump up the utility of lower points cost characters.

If having Black Widow and Cap race around the map and disbaling terminals is as significant to victory as having Thor and Iron Man blow stuff up then I think that will go a long way to addressing the power level differences.

Is widow even meta/enhanced? I'm not as familiar with her. I know cap has proper super soldier serum going on, I though she was more or less a vanilla mortal?

She's mostly vanilla mortal. Although, one could never be quite sure just what experiments the.... - I want to say 'Red Room' did on their assassins...

Lets see if I can answer a few of these questions:

Cap, Ironman, Rocket are 7, Starlord is 6, Drax is 8 and Gammora 9.

Sort of traditional Cap does not use firearms often; he's supposed to be the defender of America and therefore not an aggressor Since the invention of the Ultimate Avengers and that universe, its been changed a bit. But, generally no.

No clue on vehicles. If I'm predicting, I think there will not be vehicle rules in the base game. An expansion at some point might bring them in, much like what is happening in the Batman game with the introduction of the Batmobile and expanding ruleset.

Release date is not yet known either. I would guess in the next month for at least prerelease. One known issue in the cards. they're still in development, primarily for appearance.

Cap and ironman are 7? Hmm. Interesting. I guess there are some significantly more powerful characters and avengers are often gonna show up as a team.

Just looking at the other models they have released before, I would expect to see some very high levels.

Loki, Hulk, Magneto, and clearly Thanos are all going to be near or above the level 13 of Thor. Nearly any of them could conceivably reach the level max of 20.

Well that's the question. Black Widow and Hawkeye get to hang with actual supers on the basis that mad skillz are at least equivalent to low level super powers. So if BW is 4 and Cap is 7.. hm. I guess I will be aiming for 5 or 6 then.

Absolutely sold on that Avengers set, though the X-men are still my favourite.

Yeah, if I were to play the game, my vote would be on the X-Men.

90's Rogue did it for me.

Looking at the points thus far, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that 6-10 is going to be the average range for people that are good at one thing. Cap and Drax might be great fighters, but a little Leadership aside on Cap#s part they're only fighters, Rocket and Stark are shooters first and foremost. Someone like Thor break through to the higher levels on the basis that he can fly, fight up close with Miljnor and at range with the lightning, and presumably take a lot of punishment as well. With that in mind, I think it'll work out something like this:

4-5: Humans with exceptional skills. Hawkeye, Widow, Nick Fury, Crossbones, Bullesye, Daredevil, Punisher ect

6-10: Superhumans who are good at one thing, or middle-of-the-road at a couple. Cap, Wolverine, maybe Spidey, Starlord ect

11-15: Superhumans with multiple strengths, or that are exceptional at one thing. Thor, Hulk, Doctor Doom, Magneto, Loki, Ultron ect

16-20: God-tier characters. Thanos, Annihilus, Odin ect.


Just my guess, which came about mainly from wondering where the DC characters could fit in all of this. Superman at 15 would be my guess, Wonder Woman at 12, Batman at 7, Flash at 10, Green Lantern at 7, Martian Manhunter at 14, Hawk Girl at 6, I reckon.

Interesting. Will be neat to see how KM ranks all of the heroes and villains...probably instigating a number of i-told-you-sos and nerd rages

Yeah, I just wrote a post on the KM forums about how no matter how they handle it, there are going to be people unhappy with how the rules don't match up to 'their' version of the character, simply as for most of these guys their abilities and strengths fluctuate so wildly. Just look at 70s comic Superman to the comparatively weak Man of Steel version, or probably one of the more extreme examples, how in Age of Ultron Scarlet Witch can throw energy and mind-whammy people, in the comics she can blow up the universe and contain the Phoenix Force.

Thus, what they really need to concentrate on is getting a consistent power level. Don't give us movie Wolverine if we're getting comic Magneto, or MCU Loki against comic Thor.

On the other hand, they could just do that. With appropriate models. - EG Comparing Arkham Knight Batman to Adam West Batman.

Cap is trained in espionage, stealth, technical skills, has enhanced strength, endurance, a near photographic memory, and is a tactician on par with Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom and many galactic leaders. He has used his shield as a ranged weapon to take down a quinjet (CA:TWS), and has had iterations that include an energy based shield. Running, his top speed is 55-60 mph.
Primarily no, he's not a ranged character but he throws his shield almost as often as he holds it in the movies, shows, and some of the 90s stories.

I haven't looked at the cards yet but Cap isn't just a crossfit guy with an unbreakable (it's not unbreakable) shield.

In the Marvel Heroes video game they have him play as a hybrid. He's a tank, mild ranged, team buffer, that fights like a brawler.

A lot of people don't understand how talented Cap is and for a tabletop game, it's not always easy to translate these types of things. Instead, he and other characters get watered down and crammed into an archetype. For instance, did you know the hulk has been reported to be able to achieve running speeds of approx. 500 mph? I don't think we'll see that in any games but that and his ability to jump several miles per leap are things that tend to get diluted out of his talents for games.
Don't get me started on Thor's variable power levels. Odinforce Thor that took Galactus down vs Thor who got beat up by Absorbing Man.


Switching gears..
I had forgotten that BMG was adding the Batmobile. That makes the notion of vehicles in this game seem a bit more plausible. That's a good thing I suppose since some characters are defined by their vehicles (Ghost Rider, Kang, MODOK, Ant-Man kind of, Silver Surfer, etc).

I'd do unspeakable things for a Ghost Rider mini, They already have Batman on the Batpod in BMG so it would be easy to do him for Marvel

I'd have a harder time resisting this if the sculpts were better.
Knight seems to be firmly in the pre plastic Malifaux camp of sub par sculpts (in the context of boutique metals/ resins) with a strong IP and excellent paint jobs doing the heavy lifting.