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harkequin wrote:


That doesn't really support anything, you can look out sir any wounds taken from a stomp attack (2-5). If it's not a wound you can't look out sir it, except for different house rules of course.

The Draft FAQ answer was "Yes" not "Yes and no" or "Yes except for Stomp Attacks that roll 6".

How about an Uber Cohort Cybernetica?

Tech-Priest Dominus with Raiment of the Technomatyr

Two Units of Kastelans with 3 extra Kastelans added on each unit.

Exchange Powerfists into Twin-Linked Phosphor.
Keep the Carapace guns as the Incindie Combustors.
Arm one of the Datasmiths with a Mask of the Alpha Dominus

If they charge they take 30-60 auto hitting S4 AP 5 + 30 BS 2 Twin-Linked Strength 6 AP 3 Phosphor Blasters.

col_impact wrote:

harkequin wrote:


That doesn't really support anything, you can look out sir any wounds taken from a stomp attack (2-5). If it's not a wound you can't look out sir it, except for different house rules of course.

The Draft FAQ answer was "Yes" not "Yes and no" or "Yes except for Stomp Attacks that roll 6".

Yeah the draft FAQ answer was "Yes" you can look out sir stomp attacks. I'm not stopping you, you can look out sir any wounds allocated from a stomp attack. You literally have no mechanism to look out sir a 6, it's physically impossible within the rules.
Saying you can look out sir something that isn't an allocated wound, is like saying no-name tac marine wiith a melta bomb can look out sir stomps because the FAQ said "yes".
The criteria for look out sir are 1. be a character 2. be allocated a wound 3. have a non vehicle model from the same unit within 6". If you can't satisfy all 3, you can't look out sir. (houserules vary, i don't play ITC so i can't speak to it's rulings)

Look Out sir : "When a wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters"
Stomp : "Each model from the unit being stomped that is even partially under the blast template is removed as a casualty"

Those are both direct quotes. So yeah , you can look out sir all wounds allocated to your characters from a stomp attack.

harkequin wrote:

col_impact wrote:

harkequin wrote:


That doesn't really support anything, you can look out sir any wounds taken from a stomp attack (2-5). If it's not a wound you can't look out sir it, except for different house rules of course.

The Draft FAQ answer was "Yes" not "Yes and no" or "Yes except for Stomp Attacks that roll 6".

Yeah the draft FAQ answer was "Yes" you can look out sir stomp attacks. I'm not stopping you, you can look out sir any wounds allocated from a stomp attack. You literally have no mechanism to look out sir a 6, it's physically impossible within the rules.
Saying you can look out sir something that isn't an allocated wound, is like saying no-name tac marine wiith a melta bomb can look out sir stomps because the FAQ said "yes".
The criteria for look out sir are 1. be a character 2. be allocated a wound 3. have a non vehicle model from the same unit within 6". If you can't satisfy all 3, you can't look out sir. (houserules vary, i don't play ITC so i can't speak to it's rulings)

Look Out sir : "When a wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters"
Stomp : "Each model from the unit being stomped that is even partially under the blast template is removed as a casualty"

Those are both direct quotes. So yeah , you can look out sir all wounds allocated to your characters from a stomp attack.

Take it to YMDC boys. Stomps or no stomps, this FAQ or that FAQ, I think we can all agree the Bark Star, Wolftide, whatever you want to call it, is a force to be reckoned with for better or for worse.

I've played against the kennelstar before vs the guy who played it for team England at the etc as a practice game for him using 45 warp spiders and a wk. He didn't have tiggy though instead he had DA conclave with Ezekiel. As a side note he's a very very experienced player, arguably the best kennelstar player in the uk, but that's my opinion everyone's entitled to their own.

He put misfortune on my wraithknight and with 2 turns of lightning psychic power from the rune priests (using helm of durfast) my wk was dead. I couldn't hurt the star at all I didn't try to, azrael picked the warlord trait to give the unit FNP when within 3" of an objective, so all the time then. When you say stay away from from the star and play the mission, to give you a scale of this units footprint, he charged 2 of my units that were 60" away from each other. We used etc missions and the game ended 12-8 to him on turn 5, and I had bottom turn, it was the hardest game I've ever played, even then that result was the best result you can get when playing 45 spiders and a wk vs that list. Believe me it's that hard to beat it.

We designed it to beat spiders aswell.

I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

 vercingatorix wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

This is a joke right?

Is it Fearless? Can you do something weird like Hallucinate it?

Or reduce it's Ld and Dominate it?

Edit:

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Dominate for this scenario. If you can Horrify, Terrify or otherwise Ld. reduce bark bark, then Dominate it. It would be pretty great to see an army-wide unit stumble over itself to do anything. Bonus is that it would have to take a Ld. test every time it tries to cast a Psychic Power, so you could neuter some of it's buffs.

Even tho I play chaos I have always been envious of the IG's psykana division. If I had the time and money I would run 7 psykana divisions! Thats over 100 psyker models, over 35 warp charge points, harnessed on a 2+ at 1850 points! Can you imagine, 100 psykers flinging all of the spells it would be so much fun!

 Insectum7 wrote:
Is it Fearless? Can you do something weird like Hallucinate it?

Or reduce it's Ld and Dominate it?

Edit:

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Dominate for this scenario. If you can Horrify, Terrify or otherwise Ld. reduce bark bark, then Dominate it. It would be pretty great to see an army-wide unit stumble over itself to do anything. Bonus is that it would have to take a Ld. test every time it tries to cast a Psychic Power, so you could neuter some of it's buffs.

Would be cool but unlikely. I'm pretty sure it's denying maledictions on 4s thanks to Tiggy


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 Insectum7 wrote:
Is it Fearless? Can you do something weird like Hallucinate it?

Or reduce it's Ld and Dominate it?

Edit:

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of Dominate for this scenario. If you can Horrify, Terrify or otherwise Ld. reduce bark bark, then Dominate it. It would be pretty great to see an army-wide unit stumble over itself to do anything. Bonus is that it would have to take a Ld. test every time it tries to cast a Psychic Power, so you could neuter some of it's buffs.

Would be cool but unlikely. I'm pretty sure it's denying maledictions on 4s thanks to Tiggy

Keep sending in loads of cheap Ordo Xenos Inquisitors with psychotroke grenades and hope for the 6 result? Of course that's not very practical in a tournament setting but I'm struggling to come up with anything.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

Would be cool but unlikely. I'm pretty sure it's denying maledictions on 4s thanks to Tiggy

If you are running your own Tigurius Conclave, or using a Farseer then it's a 5+ unless there's something I'm missing.

Warlock Conclave of over 7 bodies will have a ML of 3 as well, so you can go for Horrify.

If you can Horrify the bark bark, then Terrify it, it'll be at Ld 6. Then Dominate could be a real pain. You could use other Warlock Powers to De-buff the unit.

How Many Seer Councils can we get for 1850?

I think maybe a riptide wing plus a couple of stormsurges could do the trick - HOWEVER, it needs to get the first turn before powers go up. the sheer amount of ignores cover SMS shots should bring a number of the doggies down.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

Would be cool but unlikely. I'm pretty sure it's denying maledictions on 4s thanks to Tiggy

If you are running your own Tigurius Conclave, or using a Farseer then it's a 5+ unless there's something I'm missing.

In the original list posted the Rune Priests all have Ad Will. And in the 3 source version without priests there just might be an Artifact that gives Ad Will that a Barkstar player might take in order to avoid that exact terrify/horrify/dominate situation...

Nidzrule! wrote:
I think maybe a riptide wing plus a couple of stormsurges could do the trick - HOWEVER, it needs to get the first turn before powers go up. the sheer amount of ignores cover SMS shots should bring a number of the doggies down.

Keep in mind that the dogs seize on a 4+ against that, so most of the time you won't get first turn. Also if the dogs hit Veil and Hammerhand I doubt going first will even be enough to save the tau, I think you kill around 35 dogs on average. Add a culexus to that Tau list and it's a different story for sure though.

Yeah culexus should do the job.

But how should you use the culexus? Infiltrate and put him in the centre of the table and dare the bark star to come to that part of the table?

Then shoot the living daylights out of bark star?


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Also how do you get a 4+ seize?

Azrael only gives a +1 seize - or is this the ITC rules playing a part because you can roll on that Escalation table?

+1 for Azzy and +1 for having Surges (Impending Doom)

What kind of TO lets this kind of garbage play?

Yeesh, four different detachments? Like 4 factions? This is dumb.

Hmm - how do you use a culexus assassin in a Tau list versus a bark star? I would like to know.

 sfshilo wrote:
What kind of TO lets this kind of garbage play?

Yeesh, four different detachments? Like 4 factions? This is dumb.

Perfectly legal per the rulebook and tournaments that don't have a faction or detachment limit.

In an imperial bunker with an escape hatch seems to be the way to go. Infiltrating him up is just asking to get the assassin charged and eaten by dogs. You've got to watch that 6" One Eye Open though. When I took the Barks to ATC that was definitely a match I wanted to avoid pairing against.

If you go the bunker route though watch what he rolls for his powers. Since I roll on sanctic a lot I usually end up with a Vortex of Doom or two. With a scout and 12" move I can usually get the bunker in range and a bunch of the damage results wil deal a pile of S6 hits to the assassin and kill him. So sometimes hanging out behind it is a better move.

Another thing that works well (but is absolutely back breaking to play, and also takes forever) is a fully loaded Drone farm Firestream piranha formation. Being able to recycle screening units like that makes it so the dogs can almost never get to your real units. Still might lose the mission though.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

This is a joke right?

The only joke is how overpowered gorkanaughts are. Just unstoppable.

Armor 13, 5 HP. Can still explode with AP1 and AP2 weaponry.

I don't see how it's unstoppable.

Sternguard melta squads, Gravguns, Centurion Devastators would make short work of it. Hell, even an attack bike with a multi-melta can one shot the thing.

 vercingatorix wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

This is a joke right?

The only joke is how overpowered gorkanaughts are. Just unstoppable.

Yeah. It's really not fantastic. Don't know where you're getting your info from unfortunately.

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

This is a joke right?

The only joke is how overpowered gorkanaughts are. Just unstoppable.

Yeah. It's really not fantastic. Don't know where you're getting your info from unfortunately.

I really thought that calling a gorkanaught unstoppable would clue people in to the joke. I was wrong.

Bugs_N_Orks wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

Would be cool but unlikely. I'm pretty sure it's denying maledictions on 4s thanks to Tiggy

If you are running your own Tigurius Conclave, or using a Farseer then it's a 5+ unless there's something I'm missing.

In the original list posted the Rune Priests all have Ad Will. And in the 3 source version without priests there just might be an Artifact that gives Ad Will that a Barkstar player might take in order to avoid that exact terrify/horrify/dominate situation...

Ahh I see. Hmmm. Well a 4+ sure isn't a guarantee, but it's certainly not enough to rely on for the opposing side. . .

 sfshilo wrote:
What kind of TO lets this kind of garbage play?

Yeesh, four different detachments? Like 4 factions? This is dumb.

That makes the challenge of figuring out how to take it down more fun, IMO. It's a garbage list, sure, but if you can figure out a way to kill it with something that's not garbage. . . a gold star to you.

 vercingatorix wrote:

 WarbossDakka wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:

 astro_nomicon wrote:

 vercingatorix wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, just tie it up with Morkanaught, maybe a Gorkanaught as well if you really want to put the hurt on it. Problem solved.

This is a joke right?

The only joke is how overpowered gorkanaughts are. Just unstoppable.

Yeah. It's really not fantastic. Don't know where you're getting your info from unfortunately.

I really thought that calling a gorkanaught unstoppable would clue people in to the joke. I was wrong.

There are a lot of odd ducks on Dakka. You should probably add or when you're joking.

Thanks for the reply - high level competitive play with good ideas. Wont be operating in those stratopheric levels but at least I have an idea of how to handle it!!

ERJAK wrote:
This is known as a 'bark bark star' I believe.

It should be called 'ironic wolf and that is no moon' tshirt.

ERJAK wrote:
This particular version of the bark bark star is not how you would usually run it.

That's probably because it's an ETC-specific version, and likely used as a hard counter to another list.

ETC 40k is a team competition with multiple simultaneous games going on, and I would suspect that this list is used as an Attacker against a known Defender:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bzus0DMobfGYakZwb2Q2dHM2NUk/view

Please see p.16 for how this works.

Note also that lists are published prior to the event, so each team knows whether a Culexus is present, and can probably avoid those particular matchups.

It's not a singles game, so it doesn't have to worry about being a true TAC army.