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 Anfauglir wrote:
Asterios wrote:
think you got me confused, actually I was one of those white knighters, more about the one with the woman in a pose of being bound up and bent over with her panties moved to the side and her purse nearby, that just reeks of wrongness.

now don't get me wrong the work looks lovely and very good, but I do not feel such items should be shown in a group where children are present.

Whoops! Yeah, sorry, I looked at the wrong name. I meant I agreed with NewTruthNeomaxim. You can't really say that model "reeks of wrongness" without coming off as naive and intolerant, though. Art reflects reality, as it always has and always will. You think there isn't rape/non-consent in the sci-fi and fantasy settings of miniature games? They may be marketed to children of all ages, but let's not beat around the bush here and pretend that wargaming isn't ultimately about very dark, very mature things. No artist or consumer should have to be limited in that way. Obviously, I agree about certain things not being suitable for young children to see, but I think we can all be pretty sure the TC's intent is for adult customers, and not children. But my point stands, the reactions in the thread are little to do with kids looking at them, and a lot to do with they themselves being offended.


problem is the site itself has no parental guides, and considering when they first posted the pics here they did not spoiler them, leads me to believe that the company may have some issues down the road, as it goes the work is good but me myself I would like to see more things that would be game specific like the partially clad woman or man chained to a wall or on an alter and such, those things would be more in line with gaming then say that one pose would.

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I appreciate folks staying mostly on-topic - just a reminder of this mod note posted last page:

 RiTides wrote:
Okay, we've decided to unlock this thread for the following only:

1. Discussion of the particular miniatures on offer here (sculpt, material, release date, etc)

2. Future releases from this company

Anything not related to either of the above belongs in Dakka Discussions in its own thread (such as discussion of nudity in miniatures "in general").

If discussion like that happens in this thread we will have to lock it as this simply isn't the section for that - so please remain on topic discussing only the miniatures here.

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 Anfauglir wrote:
But my point stands, the reactions in the thread are little to do with kids looking at them, and a lot to do with they themselves being offended.
Good point. The issue most have is not "won't someone think of the children" - and I think that's a good thing. I'd rather see people being honest and saying, "this kind of thing creeps me out" or even "I think this is wrong." At least then we can have a meaningful discussion about these miniatures rather than child psychology or whatever. The real issue seems pretty simple to me: don't like 'em, don't buy 'em. Just because you or I can't think how we'd work it into our gaming or collecting doesn't require us to speak up about how people who might are implicitly [insert morally approbatory slur].

   
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Thank you all for the feedback!

We should have some images for you soon showing the size of these miniatures next to a scale. We say that these are 28mm scale, but what does that really mean in this modern age compared to other 28mm scales?

We also appreciate suggestions on what you may like to see from us regarding new miniatures.

We are in the process of creating female warriors that span every genre, from fantasy to sci-fi. Our focus will be to deliver extremely realistic female warriors that actually look like warriors. No bikini clad armored babes. We want to continue creating truly unique looks for all our miniatures, but always factor in the brutal realities that actually occur in these war settings. No sugar coating here.

We are also working on some turret systems that could be used for some other game vehicles... but more on that soon.

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manufaktura wrote:
Our focus will be to deliver extremely realistic female warriors that actually look like warriors. No bikini clad armored babes.
That was unexpected.
manufaktura wrote:
but always factor in the brutal realities that actually occur in these war settings. No sugar coating here.
Ohhhh.

Will this be the focus of your future products, "realistic female warriors" facing "brutal realities"? Or is more the former than the latter?

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 Manchu wrote:
Will this be the focus of your future products, "realistic female warriors" facing "brutal realities"? Or is more the former than the latter?


I think "realistic female warriors" facing "brutal realities" will be accomplished the same way as if we were to change the word female to male. Don't you agree? I am talking about the realities that require armour to be fully functional and actually protect the body, while not shying away from battle damage / scars that a toughened seasoned veteran would display.

Please be patient, for these new miniatures will be unlike the ones we launched with.

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manufaktura wrote:

We also appreciate suggestions on what you may like to see from us regarding new miniatures.

We are in the process of creating female warriors that span every genre, from fantasy to sci-fi. Our focus will be to deliver extremely realistic female warriors that actually look like warriors. No bikini clad armored babes. We want to continue creating truly unique looks for all our miniatures, but always factor in the brutal realities that actually occur in these war settings. No sugar coating here.


Interesting. Do you think it would be possible to make different races or do you focus on female humans only? I know it's sometimes difficult to sculpt a realist anatomy for other races like elves, dwarves or orcs, but it would be a nice addition to propose more variety for fantasy/SF setting. Especially for the submissive theme.

I wonder if it would be a good idea to make two or more versions of the same model; one submissive/bound, and one in casual/rescued/fighting pose. We can then use them in game in different "states" following what the players manage to complete as objectives, like being caught or rescued-ready to take revenge in some specific scenarios in game..or just the pleasure to paint, of course.

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manufaktura wrote:
I am talking about the realities that require armour to be fully functional and actually protect the body, while not shying away from battle damage / scars that a toughened seasoned veteran would display.
Ah thanks for the clarification, I thought you might be referring to battlefield rape or something given your launch products. I don't mean to suggest that those models necessarily represent rape victims - just that, in the context of a miniature war games, I'm not sure how BDSM subs fit (although I can see how someone might want to use them in a RPG or something). It makes more sense now that you described what you're planning in terms of injuries and scars.

   
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manufaktura wrote:We are in the process of creating female warriors that span every genre, from fantasy to sci-fi. Our focus will be to deliver extremely realistic female warriors that actually look like warriors. No bikini clad armored babes.


manufaktura wrote:I am talking about the realities that require armour to be fully functional and actually protect the body, while not shying away from battle damage / scars that a toughened seasoned veteran would display.


Consider my interest well and fully piqued.
This is more up my alley I think.

   
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Armoured women is good, but please keep going with the modern/generic ones as well. Ladies of all walks of life, clothed and unclothed!
   
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 greywulf wrote:
Armoured women is good, but please keep going with the modern/generic ones as well. Ladies of all walks of life, clothed and unclothed!


Agreed! The current offerings seem very fun to paint, and "warrior" women in the same quality would be amazing. Definitely looking forward to see what else comes.

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will you be making bikini warriors? I'm into those hehe
   
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Gorgeous minis, just wish I had a use for them. I'll definitely keep my eye on you guys in the future.
   
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manufaktura wrote:
Thank you all for the feedback!

We should have some images for you soon showing the size of these miniatures next to a scale. We say that these are 28mm scale, but what does that really mean in this modern age compared to other 28mm scales?

We also appreciate suggestions on what you may like to see from us regarding new miniatures.

We are in the process of creating female warriors that span every genre, from fantasy to sci-fi. Our focus will be to deliver extremely realistic female warriors that actually look like warriors. No bikini clad armored babes. We want to continue creating truly unique looks for all our miniatures, but always factor in the brutal realities that actually occur in these war settings. No sugar coating here.

We are also working on some turret systems that could be used for some other game vehicles... but more on that soon.

Regards,

Tomek


Always interested in SF figures, could you post some of the sketches? will it be more anime or more like videogames, i would be interesting to see some female demons for slaneesh.

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or sisters of battle. Heroes would be better than standard troops.
   
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Gorgeous models, very well made by the looks of the painted pics you posted. I can't wait to see what you come out with next, especially in the sci-fi range.

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Most (4-7) of these are simply larger, better, more anatomically accurate versions of the GW Daemonette Familiar:

Note: this is a Dakka-hosted picture, so I assume it is OK.

I am not offended by any of them, although I do not plan to buy any of them either - they do not suit my gaming needs or desires.

This is partly because I already have a couple nude GW models in my gaming collection that are essentially similar to #1 and ##4-7, converted from the DE slave girl and Daemonette, respectively.

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All of my nope. This is not something I'd want to see on a table, and NSFW or NOT, there is no Age checker here to make sure underage kids don't see this crap. Dude, please take your BDSM and peddle it on an adult site, not one with kids that regularly visit.

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1. These models look very well made, however I only paint mine rather than use in-game - to paint these would be a very quick job. Perhaps consider different races that can have more complex body features for anyone wishing to use them?
2. To avoid more criticism I'd probably restart this to be honest, perhaps in a different section, using a much bigger NSFW warning, that gives anyone not wanting to see them a far greater chance of clicking off.
3. I don't see these models as 'rapey' or degrading women, but I also don't really see these, in context, as BDSM either. They definitely have BDSM elements, I just fail to see where that would ever come into play for a game, then again I don't play, so I could be totally wrong.

I discussed this with my boyfriend earlier, and his only comment was 'I just expect to see a different thing in my minis from my p*rn', which I think is fair enough - while the models are pretty, I think they're more for painting or collecting than being of any use to people in-game or other contexts.

But over all? No, I don't take issue with this - people on this thread have probably seen far worse in their 'times alone'


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 whispered_war wrote:

3. I don't see these models as 'rapey' or degrading women, but I also don't really see these, in context, as BDSM either. They definitely have BDSM elements, I just fail to see where that would ever come into play for a game, then again I don't play, so I could be totally wrong.


I agree. These appear very, technically, well-sculpted.

However, that Eldar scene is downright disturbing, and makes me seriously question the character of the painter / composer.

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Wow, I'm really impressed with the quality of those miniatures! Unfortunately I have literally 0 uses for "Slave-like" miniatures, but if you are using your skills for more military women like you said, I sure as heck I'm interested to see more of your work!

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Well "brutal realities" is a nasty euphemism I'd not heard before.

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For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
 
   
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I find nothing wrong with this. While I won't buy them, there is nothing else wrong with them. We have much more worse on TV and in the movies. No need to take this to an "adult" site, after all what is next, we shouldn't have minis that do mass genocide and murder? After all we have minis who are portrayed worse than the Nazis and SS. And these are suppose to be the good guys.


Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

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@Manufactura: Awesome work guys, gonna get a whole set. Keep it up. Though at 12$ per model they are not exactly on the cheap side of things for 28mm. Could you maybe provide a "get all, get discount" deal?

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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well "brutal realities" is a nasty euphemism I'd not heard before.


You did catch the post further up the page where they explained what they meant by that, right, and that these sculpts were not the ones being referred to?

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 Padre wrote:

I agree. These appear very, technically, well-sculpted.

However, that Eldar scene is downright disturbing, and makes me seriously question the character of the painter / composer.

Oh please, stop being so melodramatic. So you also question the character of any painter, filmmaker, novelist, poet, sculpter, songwriter, musician or any other type of artist who chooses to depict explicit, dark, adult things in their work, I take it? Art imitates life, always has, always will.


 JohnnyHell wrote:
Well "brutal realities" is a nasty euphemism I'd not heard before.

Really? Did you have a particularly sheltered upbringing?


Just a note to the moderators; it might be worth moving this topic over to Dakka Discussions as I very much doubt or expect posters to discuss the miniatures solely from a manufacturing perspective without at least touching on the wider subject.

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 Anfauglir wrote:
Just a note to the moderators; it might be worth moving this topic over to Dakka Discussions as I very much doubt or expect posters to discuss the miniatures solely from a manufacturing perspective without at least touching on the wider subject.
This thread is for discussing Manufaktura and the miniatures they make and offer for sale, including what people think of them - like any other thread. If anyone wants to talk about the topic of "explicit" miniatures or "mature" content in miniatures wargames, please feel free to open a thread in Dakka Discussions.

   
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 Anfauglir wrote:
 Padre wrote:

I agree. These appear very, technically, well-sculpted.

However, that Eldar scene is downright disturbing, and makes me seriously question the character of the painter / composer.

Oh please, stop being so melodramatic. So you also question the character of any painter, filmmaker, novelist, poet, sculpter, songwriter, musician or any other type of artist who chooses to depict explicit, dark, adult things in their work, I take it? Art imitates life, always has, always will.
A person's character informs the art they create. For example, Mel Gibson would not have created The Passion of the Christ or Hacksaw Ridge if he wasn't a deeply troubled devout Catholic with a strained relationship to his father.
   
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Maybe the Eldar rape scene should be deleted since it isn't Manufaktura related?
   
 
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