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Oh dear, that sounds worrisome...

Anyway, top-notch job on this! You've no idea how much I appreciate these. (if moths weren't the only thing in my wallet I'd get the SoH set myself just for the lore, so these are nice appetizers until then.)

visitors from ayzerheim mutter that the hammerhalians have abandoned refined sophistication in favour of vulgar displays of wealth. 

Oh, found the reincarnation of Marienburg I see!

but I PRAY this guy becomes a hero unit in the freeguild or devoted of sigmar army. 

Same, really want the adventuring nobles as well.

If slaanesh was awake he would have a field day in the cities poor or rich. 

I actually had a shower thought(haha, not like that ) about that last night. City of Secrets already mentioned the corruption of the nobility, how much worse are things going to get when that rich excess becomes a direct cause of corruption?

How will Sigmar respond to his cities being infiltrated by the top and the bottom of their societies? Bigger dependency on the mortal elements or outright purging?

Baron Klatz wrote:
Oh dear, that sounds worrisome...

Anyway, top-notch job on this! You've no idea how much I appreciate these. (if moths weren't the only thing in my wallet I'd get the SoH set myself just for the lore, so these are nice appetizers until then.)

visitors from ayzerheim mutter that the hammerhalians have abandoned refined sophistication in favour of vulgar displays of wealth. 

Oh, found the reincarnation of Marienburg I see!

but I PRAY this guy becomes a hero unit in the freeguild or devoted of sigmar army. 

Same, really want the adventuring nobles as well.

If slaanesh was awake he would have a field day in the cities poor or rich. 

I actually had a shower thought(haha, not like that ) about that last night. City of Secrets already mentioned the corruption of the nobility, how much worse are things going to get when that rich excess becomes a direct cause of corruption?

How will Sigmar respond to his cities being infiltrated by the top and the bottom of their societies? Bigger dependency on the mortal elements or outright purging?

Maybe that's when we will see the devoted of sigmar pop up or sigmar directing more resources to them, I mean honestly considering the excess of the rich and the desires of the poor we are lucky slaanesh is sleeping off a giant meal right now.

I liked the Beastclaw Raiders book more than the Ironjaws too. The only one's I've read so far. I like the Beastclaw so much I intend to get the Icewind Assault collection alongside Duradin later this year. At some point I want a Mawkrusha as well but he would look lonely being the only ork there so I might pick up some more. I like their new model range. I hope we see regular orks at some point that are not in mega armor, but regular stuff and a tiny bit more hordy.

 Gamgee wrote:
I liked the Beastclaw Raiders book more than the Ironjaws too. The only one's I've read so far. I like the Beastclaw so much I intend to get the Icewind Assault collection alongside Duradin later this year. At some point I want a Mawkrusha as well but he would look lonely being the only ork there so I might pick up some more. I like their new model range. I hope we see regular orks at some point that are not in mega armor, but regular stuff and a tiny bit more hordy.

The icewind assault is a great box considering it's pretty much a ready army out of the box. I did really enjoy reading the beastclaw raiders book and I do hope we see a greenskinz book but it's more likely I think we will see a goblin tome that covers the goblin factions since I think the greenskinz have been reduced to a similar role to slaves to darkness for chaos.

Of course I could be wrong.

I know goblins are a possibility, but what other factions could be introduced into age of sigmar for destruction? Has anything been hinted at or mentioned?

Something interesting just happened Josh reynolds reveals why vampires are the blood of nagash in the relation of the old book series and reviving Arkhan, Mannfred and neferata in AOS. They are not the "same" from the old world.

Yes it is them but they are not the same people anymore, they are reincarnated(just like the elves, humans and dwarfs) instead of outright bought back like some of the chaos heroes nagash highly likely also made a few edits along the way. The only people who truly jumped from the warhammer world to the AOS is the incarnates and the chaos followers the chaos gods saved like valkia glottkin etc.

Josh reynolds notes he pretty much re grew them from his blood and body in AOS just like how he used mannfred's blood to revive vlad, honestly it's kinda freaky why he now calls mannfred his child now in a sense he literally is. I will make a small post.


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 Gamgee wrote:
I know goblins are a possibility, but what other factions could be introduced into age of sigmar for destruction? Has anything been hinted at or mentioned?

Well nothing has hinted yet their plot has been held at the point that Gordrakk is gathering a great waaagh the armies will consist of all the destruction forces.

Haha, just read your post on the TW forum.

That's pretty mind-blowing especially how the "blood of Nagash" title foreshadowed it. Between this and the "reclaimed" prejudice I'm wondering if there'll be something to all this focus on blood purity and perfect creations..

Baron Klatz wrote:
Haha, just read your post on the TW forum.

That's pretty mind-blowing especially how the "blood of Nagash" title foreshadowed it. Between this and the "reclaimed" prejudice I'm wondering if there'll be something to all this focus on blood purity and perfect creations..

It is, well it was mind blowing to me as well when reading the blood of nagash series and return of nagash the vampires are presented to be mentally "unbalanced" you think they are talking to themselves and the bringing up of old horrible memories but this is not the case it's nagash talking to them he is the pall on their souls and within their blood. Do also remember in the end times it's also revealed that nagash also had a hidden hand in mannfred's resurrection at hel fenn.

It goes back to neferata realizing that vampires cannot rule the living the same way, Vlad wanted to perserve the empire but if you read the details of the vampire wars he did the complete opposite did he even realize it? Or was it the influence of nagash? Even neferata having no interest in truly ruling and "guiding" mortals she still causes untold death and destruction with her plots.

Arkhan's whole shitick believing that they have truly no free will anymore I finally understand what he means now. Even if vampires like neferata and mannfred have their own wants they are still pursing the goals of nagash and what he wanted. Honestly this makes the whole undead fluff more morbid and freaky. It also add's a more heft price just like chaos for going down that road.

Josh essentially has "completed" the message the blood of nagash series was telling us with his responses to the questions.

Truly Nagash is the ultimate puppet-master.

Also, glad you got to see that Adepticon Nagash diorama. I saw it on EEFL first and was going to post it to you but then you added it to your lore thread before I got the chance to. Epic is the only way to describe it.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Truly Nagash is the ultimate puppet-master.

Also, glad you got to see that Adepticon Nagash diorama. I saw it on EEFL first and was going to post it to you but then you added it to your lore thread before I got the chance to. Epic is the only way to describe it.

Yeah I saw that conversion on twitter as a retweet on josh reynolds twitter I had to make it a part of the post.

It was worthy to be apart of that thread.

Right the last part of the warhammer quest post is up slaanesh speculation, characters and establishments players can visit. Now all I gotta wait for is kharadron.

Considering how popular they seem to be I am not even sure if I can grab a tome when it releases. XD

Wow! Great write-up!

Looking forward to the Overlords book, gonna try to get it myself though.

Updated the last mortarch post with images from balance of power on the hierarchy of the undead. Image of neferata defending her city and how her people view her. The hierarchy image should give you a clear idea of the direction of death in my opinion and the FEC post that as the first white dwarf said they are aiming for Death to be more "grim" and dark than before.

Even neferata has a lot of blood around her mouth and how she is pictured she looks in my opinion more menacing same with Arkhan and mannfred.

I'm excited by the new Overlords but it's left me with a big question. How do you feel all the various sub sets of Duardin will interact.?We've got the city dwelling Dispossessed, the gun makers in the Iron Weld Arsenal, the Fyerslayers and now the Overlords. Is GW planning on slowly phasing out the Dispossessed (model wise they look more traditional fantasy, something GW is moving away from it seems) in favor of the more unique Duardin factions, or are they just keeping them in their back pocket for a future release/lore expansion?

Davout wrote:
I'm excited by the new Overlords but it's left me with a big question. How do you feel all the various sub sets of Duardin will interact.?We've got the city dwelling Dispossessed, the gun makers in the Iron Weld Arsenal, the Fyerslayers and now the Overlords. Is GW planning on slowly phasing out the Dispossessed (model wise they look more traditional fantasy, something GW is moving away from it seems) in favor of the more unique Duardin factions, or are they just keeping them in their back pocket for a future release/lore expansion?

Keeping them in the back pocket due to the simple fact there is no faction representing grungi yet. Kharadron according to GW lore video they place no faith in gods and kings. If they were going to phase them out they would of done so already the stuff that made it into the grand alliance tomes are here to stay for the foreseeable future.

Also in the last campaign book grungi suddenly went missing.

I'm reading beastclaw raiders and I noticed that they consume and destroy stuff so thoroughly that there are no remains for necromancers to resurrect and that the undead faction really hates them.

I also find it neat how they are more civilized and don't eat other raiders. Relatively speaking of course.

Anyone think we'll see other ogor armies in the future?

Also with the announcement of Kharadron overlords and talk of attack on titan season 2 around I think it would be a cool mash up if giants came back as their own thing inspired by attack on titans eponymous titans.. It would be freaky fighting an army of giants that regurgitate all the dead things they ate or perhaps don't even need to eat at all.

Priffa Dreng! Kharadron is up well.. part 1 is up.

Sorry that I have not updated the Kharadron post in awhile illness and real life stuff got in the way. Anyway part two is up detailing the sky ports and how they run the sky fleets.

Someone needs to pin this Thread... LORE IS IMPORTANT!

That being said, I'm wondering if advertising is a thing for Kharadron. The Admiralty does decide on what troops to send and other things but it seems that the selection of fleet and crew is dependent on the admiral who is in charge. It was even noted that one admiral pretty much used all his resources and even liquidated his assets to create something that he considered was adaptable while still being quite affordable.

I kinda see it being a thing in a competitive society like the Kharadron, If your company makes aetherguns that was used by a very successful fleet, or if others would boast the qualities of a ship made by one group, then Obviously you'd want to go to that group to ensure success.

Hope you are feeling better Shrinos.

Just a question, in the Mortarchs/Nagash/Mannfred section on the front page, it mentions how everyone died in the end times except the incarnates, and that the mortarchs were recreated by Nagash. Does this mean that all the humans are just recreations too?

 ImAGeek wrote:
Just a question, in the Mortarchs/Nagash/Mannfred section on the front page, it mentions how everyone died in the end times except the incarnates, and that the mortarchs were recreated by Nagash. Does this mean that all the humans are just recreations too?

Yes, the gods reincarnated/bought back people to repopulate the realms those souls who escaped the clutches of chaos when the warhammer world ended. In Ulgu when Malekith/Malerion respawned while he was exploring the realm was empty save him and chancing on morathi. Hence why it is said some people in the free guild share some ancestry from those of the old world and why some free guild regiments run empire banners or colours. Sigmar also kept the history of the empire intact in his library it's why GW can easily keep stuff around when they have karl franz's name on their banners and altars etc on the old empire models.

Since it's been said sigmar told the people of the realm the heroics of the empire and their fight against chaos.

How common is travel through a realm anyway? from what I understand realmgates are the only method of travel between realms, but is using this common? Would some Aelf in Ashqy be writing to her cousin in Shyish? I doubt GW will answer this because this isn't focusing on battles or wars... But I would like to think that some places are flooding with races not only from different lands, but from different realms.

Realm gates are a main way to move large forces but there other ways between realms like the Overlords secret skypaths, Wanderers using ley lines, Ogors have the Maw open portals for them and I believe a few more special ways exist. In one novel powerful mages have been shown to have magic items that can allow a individual travel from any realm back to a fixed location and back again as a Relictor transported himself from the fire realm to the realm of death to find his Necromancer teacher.

The aelves actually had the best example of communications as the Skyhawk Agents were the messengers of their empires back in age of myth where they had floating continent bases throughout the realms.

 shinros wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Just a question, in the Mortarchs/Nagash/Mannfred section on the front page, it mentions how everyone died in the end times except the incarnates, and that the mortarchs were recreated by Nagash. Does this mean that all the humans are just recreations too?

Yes, the gods reincarnated/bought back people to repopulate the realms those souls who escaped the clutches of chaos when the warhammer world ended. In Ulgu when Malekith/Malerion respawned while he was exploring the realm was empty save him and chancing on morathi. Hence why it is said some people in the free guild share some ancestry from those of the old world and why some free guild regiments run empire banners or colours. Sigmar also kept the history of the empire intact in his library it's why GW can easily keep stuff around when they have karl franz's name on their banners and altars etc on the old empire models.

Since it's been said sigmar told the people of the realm the heroics of the empire and their fight against chaos.

Once they've been brought back, are they normal humans? Like are they flesh and blood, do they reproduce like normal, they aren't all just shades like the Seraphon?

They're definitely flesh and blood. Anything Khorne/ Flesh Eater related in fluff will tell you that in spades.

Seraphon are special because it's the Slann themselves doing it. They aren't putting flesh on souls but giving life to memories they had of their people. The interesting thing, and keeping in the theme of their Lovecraftian nature, is that the memories are self aware and even evolving.

I'd like to make a bit of a pointer: most were reincarnated by being remade by the gods. The tied souls to Mallus were the biggest group of the three but there were two more cathegories mentioned across the lore: A) those that, as chaos engulfed them, fought their way across the hellblasted lands and, thanks to the shenanigans of time in the warp, managed to survive their pass into the realms. and B) Some survived by being lucky to land in pockets of sanity and havens untouched by chaos until the storm receded..

The great, almost overwhelming, majority, though, are souls tied on mallus.

Lord Kragan wrote:
I'd like to make a bit of a pointer: most were reincarnated by being remade by the gods. The tied souls to Mallus were the biggest group of the three but there were two more cathegories mentioned across the lore: A) those that, as chaos engulfed them, fought their way across the hellblasted lands and, thanks to the shenanigans of time in the warp, managed to survive their pass into the realms. and B) Some survived by being lucky to land in pockets of sanity and havens untouched by chaos until the storm receded..

The great, almost overwhelming, majority, though, are souls tied on mallus.

What's the source for this? Not questioning it's legitimacy, I just want to read it.


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Baron Klatz wrote:
Realm gates are a main way to move large forces but there other ways between realms like the Overlords secret skypaths, Wanderers using ley lines, Ogors have the Maw open portals for them and I believe a few more special ways exist. In one novel powerful mages have been shown to have magic items that can allow a individual travel from any realm back to a fixed location and back again as a Relictor transported himself from the fire realm to the realm of death to find his Necromancer teacher.

The aelves actually had the best example of communications as the Skyhawk Agents were the messengers of their empires back in age of myth where they had floating continent bases throughout the realms.

Well, the secret skypaths are going through hidden realmgates, and the portal opened by the maw is also at a realmgate. But you are correct that other ways do exist.


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 IronDerp wrote:
How common is travel through a realm anyway? from what I understand realmgates are the only method of travel between realms, but is using this common? Would some Aelf in Ashqy be writing to her cousin in Shyish? I doubt GW will answer this because this isn't focusing on battles or wars... But I would like to think that some places are flooding with races not only from different lands, but from different realms.

It's extremely common, but depends on the gate in question. Hammerhal, for example, is a city that exists in two realms tied together by a realmgate; travel through it is a basic function of the city. But other gates are more obscure and often closed until opened up by a mage. It also seems that some gates connect explicitly from gate A to gate B while others can connect to different targets when they are opened.

I believe Skaven are able to "tunnel" between realms as well.