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 Vermis wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

It's a faithful representation of how female Predators are portrayed in licensed material. You may think it's sleazy, but in this instance the sleaziness has little to do with Prodos itself.

Oh sure, late 80s/90s comics: a catalogue of the best ideas and restraint.

I mean, look at the evidence here. It could definitely use bigger restraints.

Actually it's a faithful representation of the descriptions in the 1994 novel "Aliens Vs Predator Prey" written by Steve and Stephani Perry. In the book, the main predator, Dachande, describes their females. They are bigger then the males and it's not uncommon for a male Yautja to get picked up and thrown across the room during mating. If your talking about how little armor she is wearing, why don't you look at every predator we have ever seen except the ones in the first AVP movie. They are all walking around in 1/4 shirts and loin cloths. That female Yautja is wearing more than most.

Just to nit-pick, the original of original canon material, the first AVP comic series, has predators pretty beefy and armored. They basically have the SF version of full plate except webbing instead of mail.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
the original of original canon material

... is the '87 move, where the pred is nearly nude. The original crossover story preserved that look:The fully-armored look you are referring to came in tye next year with the first AvP miniseries. If you think about the original pred design, the idea was pretty obviously to pit human beefcake up against xeno beefcake. I have never understood the objection to fempreds being portrayed in a similar manner.

Oh, always thought the miniseries was first.

And yeah, of course the movies came first, but I'd argue that the comic series has more directly influenced tie ins and other media than the 2 movies did-- action figures and video games were based on the comics, for instance.

I would say that the look from the first movie has been much more influential than that first comic mini series.

Anyone ask Jarek and crew if everything for the 2nd edition has already been approved by Fox?

If so, was there an answer?

I find it hard to believe the alternate pose marines from the KS are STILL not approved yet they were able to get the tiles and figures for the 2nd edition through the process....

Well, what if they were working on the latter rather than the former ...

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 krazynadechukr wrote:
Nice of mods to change my post title. Gotta throw shade into everything in this life. SIGH

I'm glad whoever did so and I applaud them for it. Your title was:

a) Obnoxiously all in caps and

b) Too long so it distorted the post headers and quote/reply buttons

Also, I think it is pretty important for people to know what utter gak bags Prodos are, quite frankly.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Nice of mods to change my post title. Gotta throw shade into everything in this life. SIGH

I changed the title of this thread for two reasons: (1) all caps post titles are annoying and (2) the fact that Prodos is going on with a second edition of a game while there are lots of unfulfilled first edition KS rewards is one of the most important facets of this news. If it's "throwing shade" to say the facts about the Prodos business model, consider what that says about Prodos.

Gotta' say, as a consumer, I'd rather downer accurate info than positive but missing important stuff...

https://www.facebook.com/ProdosGamesLegalAction/

 filbert wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Nice of mods to change my post title. Gotta throw shade into everything in this life. SIGH

I'm glad whoever did so and I applaud them for it.

Agreed. I think it is much more informative of the full situation at a glance now.

Yeah,
I think it's the most important aspect of Prodos.

They think it's ok to keep diverting funds to new projects while they owe a large number of customers product.

I'm a big fan of the franchise.
I'm actively against giving Prodos any more money unti they square themselves with the community.
That said the new tiles look much better and the new figure less likely to break.

Prodos!!! Where's our stufff???!!

Panic...

I mean I've seen the damned boxed game in stores so why don't I have my tiles?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean I've seen the damned boxed game in stores so why don't I have my tiles?

Did you pay them in advance?
Are you ineligible for a refund?

If the answer is yes to both then they have no pressing reason to ship product to you with any haste.

That's exactly what everyone meeds to think about when considering any direct purchase from Prodos

 warboss wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean I've seen the damned boxed game in stores so why don't I have my tiles?

Did you pay them in advance?
Are you ineligible for a refund?

If the answer is yes to both then they have no pressing reason to ship product to you with any haste.

And don't forget that after 6 years you can't claim anyway due to the statute of limitations. (I may be wrong...)

Such a shame. These models look great, and I really like the AVP universe. I would love to have them. But having watched the first KS debacle, I vowed to NEVER EVER support this company. Condolences to all who are still waiting on stuff after years of lies.

Well, it ain't like Prodos is the only licensee for Aliens action figures and toys. Dig around here. The good stuff's not cheap, and the cheap stuff's not good, but maybe you'll have better luck than I did!

http://www.alienscollection.com/index.html



Oh, nom nom nom.

Emailed them about buying the female predator. Got these replies:

>>> Hello,
>>> found out today that you guys made this model. I can't find it on your site for sale so I'm wondering if it's possible to buy it somehow?
>>> How much does it cost and can I order it? Do you have any other female predators available?

>> Hi there thanks for your email, This model will be available once we have clear all AvP Kickstarter parcels. We have made a promise that non of KS product will be releases until we have all backers happy with their purchase.
>>
>> Thanks

> Hey,
> how long do you think this is going to take? Are we talking days? weeks? months?
> Regards
> Daniel

>>It should be about 2-3 months, as we are going to start wave 3 shipping as soon as we have Clear predators from China and printed Wargaming books. Thanks

Sooooo never then ? Lol

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Emailed them about buying the female predator. Got these replies:

>>> Hello,
>>> found out today that you guys made this model. I can't find it on your site for sale so I'm wondering if it's possible to buy it somehow?
>>> How much does it cost and can I order it? Do you have any other female predators available?

>> Hi there thanks for your email, This model will be available once we have clear all AvP Kickstarter parcels. We have made a promise that non of KS product will be releases until we have all backers happy with their purchase.
>>
>> Thanks

> Hey,
> how long do you think this is going to take? Are we talking days? weeks? months?
> Regards
> Daniel

>>It should be about 2-3 months, as we are going to start wave 3 shipping as soon as we have Clear predators from China and printed Wargaming books. Thanks

Yes, we've been hearing 2-3 months for years now... AVOID THEM AT ALL COSTS. You just need to slip away before your eyes get your brain and wallet in trouble. You'll send them money, they will give you some excuses, then finally, they move on and ignore the whole thing, until the next mark comes along and rinse and repeat, They have been doing it the whole time, and they have no reason to stop when they have no repercussions in Poland.
Honestly, do not give this company a dime.

But I really really need this model, well the head at least.
Anyone got it who can borrow it to me or sell me one?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
But I really really need this model, well the head at least.
Anyone got it who can borrow it to me or sell me one?

My advice is wait for a general release then buy from a third-party stockist, like Wayland Games (other retailers are available). Prodos screwed me over a pre-order, but because I'd purchased through a different company, I got my money back without any issues.

I was literally about to pledge on their first KS when I decided I'd just read some of the comments first. One backer had written a message that said something along the lines of them thinking of cancelling their pledge because the KS was asking for a lot of money and was light on details that weren't forthcoming. Prodos' reply was: "Bye bye! Don't let the door hit you on the way out!" I read it a few times in stunned awe and decided then and there that this was not a company I wanted to give any of my money to.

I'm a KS backer (one of the "lucky" ones, "already" got most of my stuff).

I saw this pre-order and asked two questions:

- Are the tiles compatible with 1st edition (the fittings)? Because that would make it more interesting for 1st buyers. And the thickness, 'cause the 1st edition has two thickness. At least for tokens.
- Why should I pre-order? Is it cheaper? Do I get extra stuff? Am I guaranteed to get it earlier than retailers/stores?

No answer. So no pre-order. I already gave money to Prodos on a "pay early" situation (the KS). Not making the same mistake again.

Having said that... the miniatures look great, as always.

Pre ordered mine.

Paypal has a 180 day refund policy and I have always received a refund when I have opened a dispute of non-receipt. Paypal is great in backing up the buyer. So, going into this knowing (about KS tragedy) but being prepared too!

note - I have been a lucky KS supporter, and am 6 for 6 in getting all my KS & pre order items thus far. I feel bad for what many have gone through (didn't even know it was that bad actually), and if I were in your shoes, I'd be upset too.

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Pre ordered mine.

Paypal has a 180 day refund policy and I have always received a refund when I have opened a dispute of non-receipt. Paypal is great in backing up the buyer. So, going into this knowing (about KS tragedy) but being prepared too!

note - I have been a lucky KS supporter, and am 6 for 6 in getting all my KS & pre order items thus far. I feel bad for what many have gone through (didn't even know it was that bad actually), and if I were in your shoes, I'd be upset too.

Paypal changed its policies regarding crowdfunding last year. If you crowdfund with Paypal, you're gak out of luck if the creator scams you.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/05/08/paypal-drops-crowdfunding-protection/

That doesn't apply to traditional purchases or pre-orders like this but if something is labelled crowdfunding then you don't have 6 minutes let alone 6 months to get a refund. Alot of people don't know about that change so I figured now would be a good time to mention it.

 warboss wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Pre ordered mine.

Paypal has a 180 day refund policy and I have always received a refund when I have opened a dispute of non-receipt. Paypal is great in backing up the buyer. So, going into this knowing (about KS tragedy) but being prepared too!

note - I have been a lucky KS supporter, and am 6 for 6 in getting all my KS & pre order items thus far. I feel bad for what many have gone through (didn't even know it was that bad actually), and if I were in your shoes, I'd be upset too.

Paypal changed its policies regarding crowdfunding last year. If you crowdfund with Paypal, you're gak out of luck if the creator scams you.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/05/08/paypal-drops-crowdfunding-protection/

That doesn't apply to traditional purchases or pre-orders like this but if something is labelled crowdfunding then you don't have 6 minutes let alone 6 months to get a refund. Alot of people don't know about that change so I figured now would be a good time to mention it.

My paypal is funded by my (Bank) Visa, which has refunded me many times (I can report fraud for up to 18 months from purchase) no questions asked. If Paypal fails me, I call the bank, if they fail me, I call the Visa number. There's many ways around Paypal policies, and after being with them over 15 years and 5000+ transactions (as a business entity on paypal), 99.999% of the time they have always sided with me. http://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2014/09/The_More_You_Know/lead_large.png?GE2DGMBRGUZTANJRFYYA====

BTW, the receipt from Prodos & on Paypal does not, anywhere, have the term pre order on it.

"ORDER DETAILS
Order: --------------------------------------------------

Payment: PayPal
Reference Product Unit price Quantity Total price


AvP The Hunt Begins Second Edition
£ 48.99
1
£ 48.99

Products
£ 48.99
Discounts
£ 0.00
Gift-wrapping
£ 0.00
Shipping
£ 15.00
Total Tax paid
£ 0.00
Total paid
£ 63.99

SHIPPING
Carrier: Prodos Games Export

Payment: PayPal"

I contacted Paypal about this particular order, just said I am concerned, and they did say I am covered if something goes wrong.