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Personally, I have stopped playing Heresy until its updated.

Saying 30k has been a balanced game is a joke and has been since we got the mechanicum lists... then we got book 7 and the joke was not even funny anymore.

I fully expect that come the HH weekender next Feb at the latest that we have an updated set of rules for 30k to bring it in line. Hopefully much sooner to be honest.

I keep seeing all this stuff about 'I will keep playing the old version' and have to ask why? Surely being part of the growing community and getting all the new updates and rules and models to see the game grow and develop is what you want?

The black books become invalid - exactly like they did between 6th and 7th with the first couple of books. Hell, I don't even know if I have the most current red books these days given how many times they have been redone.

Bring on 8th!

You realize just because group changes to newer rules doesn't mean new players will magically pop up? There went arqument about growing community.

And funny that some people prefer older rules over new rules. And new rules etc? Not a problem once you get rid of officialdom slavery.

The news that FW will have their SM and Chaos Index books ready for the launch of 8th -- with the other Index books set to be released by the end of June -- suggests that HH conversion to 8th won't be the monumental task some have made it out to be. Between these and the work GW does on the 40K lines, FW should have a pretty good baseline for HH.

Note that I realize it could still take them a while just because they're a small shop. And because they're a small shop, I really can't imagine them devoting resources to develop the remaining legions for 7th when there's work to be done for 8th. It's dead-end work for them.

 gorgon wrote:
The news that FW will have their SM and Chaos Index books ready for the launch of 8th -- with the other Index books set to be released by the end of June -- suggests that HH conversion to 8th won't be the monumental task some have made it out to be. Between these and the work GW does on the 40K lines, FW should have a pretty good baseline for HH.

Note that I realize it could still take them a while just because they're a small shop. And because they're a small shop, I really can't imagine them devoting resources to develop the remaining legions for 7th when there's work to be done for 8th. It's dead-end work for them.

This is a good assessment, and probably correct. Where/when did FW say they would have these Index books ready for the launch of 8th? I know they were supposed to make some big announcement May 28th at Warhammer Fest, but have I missed something?

 Tamwulf wrote:
This is a good assessment, and probably correct. Where/when did FW say they would have these Index books ready for the launch of 8th? I know they were supposed to make some big announcement May 28th at Warhammer Fest, but have I missed something?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

Astartes and Chaos to pre-order on the 3rd, for release 'alongside the new rules'. More Index books planned for late June (which is only a couple of weeks later).

Abit of news from my local GW store owner that may matter to thows who play 30k at GW stores. My post I made in the 8th ed rumour thread.

 Lockark wrote:
I just got on good word that 30k will move to 8th ed. But their will be a wait until it happens.

Sadly this also means that untill the 8th ed relaunch, GW store operators will not be allowing people to play 30k games in their store after June 16th, because they will not be selling the 7th ed rule book, and don't want people playing with stuff they don't sell. It's going to leave 30k gameing in a wired limbo untill they update it.



I'm guessing the idea is that they don't want to 40k community to get split between 7th/8th like fantesy did dureing the WHFB/AoS transition, so don't want to support a OOP rule set. So I totally understand their choice from a marketing standpoint. It just sucks to get shoved to the side like that.

 ArbitorIan wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
This is a good assessment, and probably correct. Where/when did FW say they would have these Index books ready for the launch of 8th? I know they were supposed to make some big announcement May 28th at Warhammer Fest, but have I missed something?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/

Astartes and Chaos to pre-order on the 3rd, for release 'alongside the new rules'. More Index books planned for late June (which is only a couple of weeks later).

Those are both for 40K- Imperial Armor books. Forge World hasn't really said anything at all about the Black or Red books for 30K yet.

I think now it's a given that the red books are going to get re-released for 8th but they won't change the black books that have been released so far.

The biggest question mark remaining is which edition is required for book 8 and hopefully that will get answered this weekend.

Are there any dakka members going to the event who can ask?

 SirDonlad wrote:
I think now it's a given that the red books are going to get re-released for 8th but they won't change the black books that have been released so far.

The biggest question mark remaining is which edition is required for book 8 and hopefully that will get answered this weekend.

Are there any dakka members going to the event who can ask?

They will reveal it anyway.

7th because they're sticking with it.

Yeah sorry guys who wanted 8th ed 30k...

My word!

Auto purchase for me!

If a GW store manager will not let you play with a GW brand product in a GW store my advice is take your business elsewhere.

 Lockark wrote:
Abit of news from my local GW store owner that may matter to thows who play 30k at GW stores. My post I made in the 8th ed rumour thread.

 Lockark wrote:
I just got on good word that 30k will move to 8th ed. But their will be a wait until it happens.

Sadly this also means that untill the 8th ed relaunch, GW store operators will not be allowing people to play 30k games in their store after June 16th, because they will not be selling the 7th ed rule book, and don't want people playing with stuff they don't sell. It's going to leave 30k gameing in a wired limbo untill they update it.



I'm guessing the idea is that they don't want to 40k community to get split between 7th/8th like fantesy did dureing the WHFB/AoS transition, so don't want to support a OOP rule set. So I totally understand their choice from a marketing standpoint. It just sucks to get shoved to the side like that.

 Lockark wrote:
Abit of news from my local GW store owner that may matter to thows who play 30k at GW stores. My post I made in the 8th ed rumour thread.

 Lockark wrote:
I just got on good word that 30k will move to 8th ed. But their will be a wait until it happens.

Sadly this also means that untill the 8th ed relaunch, GW store operators will not be allowing people to play 30k games in their store after June 16th, because they will not be selling the 7th ed rule book, and don't want people playing with stuff they don't sell. It's going to leave 30k gameing in a wired limbo untill they update it.



I'm guessing the idea is that they don't want to 40k community to get split between 7th/8th like fantesy did dureing the WHFB/AoS transition, so don't want to support a OOP rule set. So I totally understand their choice from a marketing standpoint. It just sucks to get shoved to the side like that.

Eh, I guess find another store?

I've never played in a GW store myself. For those of you who do, is that your only option?

 commander dante wrote:
Yeah sorry guys who wanted 8th ed 30k...

I am glad they are wrapping up the legions in a 7th edition package.

 djones520 wrote:


Eh, I guess find another store?

I've never played in a GW store myself. For those of you who do, is that your only option?

Or maybe this rumour was bogus then since 30k isn't movgng to 8th in near future

tneva82 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


Eh, I guess find another store?

I've never played in a GW store myself. For those of you who do, is that your only option?

Or maybe this rumour was bogus then since 30k isn't movgng to 8th in near future

Well, I see the point the store owner is making. GW published 7th edition rules are going away. You'll only be able to get them from FW, and who knows how long until FW makes them available? So for a time period, there will be no available 7th edition rules.

Now, do I think that's a legit reason to ban the game? No. But it seems to be what he's saying.

Worst. News. Ever.

I hate 7th so bad. SOOOOO bad.

I heard a few people say that they're doing this until they finish of the legions and then doing a switch to 8th. I could handle that. I could shelve my stuff and wait. But if it stays 7th permanently? I'll be done with 30k.

 djones520 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 djones520 wrote:


Eh, I guess find another store?

I've never played in a GW store myself. For those of you who do, is that your only option?

Or maybe this rumour was bogus then since 30k isn't movgng to 8th in near future

Well, I see the point the store owner is making. GW published 7th edition rules are going away. You'll only be able to get them from FW, and who knows how long until FW makes them available? So for a time period, there will be no available 7th edition rules.

Now, do I think that's a legit reason to ban the game? No. But it seems to be what he's saying.

Point is since 8th ed part turned out to be fabrication maybe store thing was also false

Sometimes it's nice to be wrong.

I certainly hope FW takes the time to redo some of the worse parts of 7th that even the Age of Darkness expansion rules didn't fix - like the Psychic Phase.

From what i've heard, they're tailoring the rules specifically towards Horus Heresy, so it will likely be a streamlined version of 7th, which isn't bad. It will keep the complexity that alot of us HH players enjoy and will also keep it from getting too bogged down with gak. I guess we'll see.

Booyah! Very happy to see the Blood Angels and Dark Angels get released in 7th edition. This is great news to me!

It should also quiet the guy in my gaming group that has been very irritating and loudly crying about 8th edition and how bad it will be for his Alpha Legion and how he is just going to throw his entire army in the garbage and never play 30K again.

I am quite happy by this but not really sure. It will make it difficult to play in the stores though as many managers dont allow people to play heresy as they dont sell it and i know a few who dont even alow forgeworld models and rules because it isnt sold by GW.


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Given that it isnt even going to be the same game at heart im not sure how it will turn out.

 commander dante wrote:
Yeah sorry guys who wanted 8th ed 30k...

Yasssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!

This is the best news, not just that we are keeping 7th, but that 40k isn't. Which means that Horus Heresy is now entirely in the hands of forgeworld. It's no longer beholden to terrible GW 40k decisions.
We will get an entire game line that was created in more or less 1 edition (I know the first few books were 6th but there was a negligible change between 6 and 7 30k).
Forgeworld will likely tidy up the edition, add in the FAQs from earlier in the year, make it more usable.

I also like it because now we have 2 main sci fi games that will play differently. And it makes perfect sense too. I think the 40k range is going to gradually be overhauled to the newer, bigger minis, same as they did with AOS.

Anyway. I don't play 40k so I'm very happy we get to stay in the same ed.

Seriously where the heck are these insane store managers located?!

 King Amroth wrote:
I am quite happy by this but not really sure. It will make it difficult to play in the stores though as many managers dont allow people to play heresy as they dont sell it and i know a few who dont even alow forgeworld models and rules because it isnt sold by GW.


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Given that it isnt even going to be the same game at heart im not sure how it will turn out.

 King Amroth wrote:
I am quite happy by this but not really sure. It will make it difficult to play in the stores though as many managers dont allow people to play heresy as they dont sell it and i know a few who dont even alow forgeworld models and rules because it isnt sold by GW.


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Given that it isnt even going to be the same game at heart im not sure how it will turn out.

Point to the boxes on their selves, the ones labeled Horus Heresy and inform them, yes they do sell the Heresy.

 King Amroth wrote:
I am quite happy by this but not really sure. It will make it difficult to play in the stores though as many managers dont allow people to play heresy as they dont sell it and i know a few who dont even alow forgeworld models and rules because it isnt sold by GW.


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Given that it isnt even going to be the same game at heart im not sure how it will turn out.

Anyone who gets turned away with that excuse really should write a letter to GW HQ stating what happened and the name of the staff member, or it will keep on happening.


I'm really surprised that some people don't like the idea of a custom HH ruleset; i see it as the final liberation of 30k and anything is possible!

I'd like to see some changes to vehicle damage rolls - a d12 chart for damage results would give much more durable vehicles as well as some more dynamic damage results. i always loved the way that tanks could throw a track and skid out of control in 3rd. good times!

 SirDonlad wrote:

I'm really surprised that some people don't like the idea of a custom HH ruleset; i see it as the final liberation of 30k and anything is possible!

I'm really surprised that I have to keep saying this same thing in various threads: there aren't as many 30K players as 40K players, and for many of us, much of the time our only option is to play against a 40K player. Splitting a playerbase is never a good thing. And now there is an additional barrier to entry for prospective 30K players by having to buy another expensive FW book.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:

I'm really surprised that some people don't like the idea of a custom HH ruleset; i see it as the final liberation of 30k and anything is possible!

I'm really surprised that I have to keep saying this same thing in various threads: there aren't as many 30K players as 40K players, and for many of us, much of the time our only option is to play against a 40K player. Splitting a playerbase is never a good thing. And now there is an additional barrier to entry for prospective 30K players by having to buy another expensive FW book.

Lets not kid ourselves. If the price of a rulebook to play this game is going to keep people from playing, they were never serious about it anyways.