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Tyran, I agree with you on the threat presented by the Tyranids towards the galaxy. The hive fleets have always been presented as a force that is much larger in size then we are aware of. At this point Melissia is trying to argue the point of,"if I can't see it, it doesn't exist." In the few articles and codex entries I have seen, it has always been portrayed that the current forces are merely the tip of a spear attached to the horn of a rhino. To argue that the "tendrils" are the majority of the tyranid force is to ignore the fact that these must be attached to something. While it is true that we haven't seen the rest of the body, we can't really argue that there is no body from which these fingers reach out.

I want to bring this argument to a close though. We can argue day and night over what is over the horizon, but since we don't know 100% we are merely left with speculation on what is to come. Tyran, you prove a point about what could very well be hiding in the vastness of dark space and I appreciate the optimism of what very well could be waiting for the milky way galaxy. Melissia, I really do see the point you are trying to make and want you to know I'm not trying to take the out of you. You're both extremely intelligent and hope we can all just agree to disagree over the subject

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That is the nicest way I have been told to shut the feth up.
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Ok, I will drop the argument.

 Melissia wrote:

 Galas wrote:
The citation for this is:

Lexicanum wrote:10: Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 215

Page does not provide anything contradicting what I said other than the same rumormongering and non-specific suggestions the other non-eldar factions get; in fact, it explicitly says we DON'T know what's beyond: "What horrors await, only time will tell" being the final line. The same book also says it's only a matter of time before Orks unite and conquer the galaxy and destroy all the other races, that there's no way to stop the Necron war machine and it's doubtful even a united galaxy could manage it, and that all of these threats pale in comparison to the threat of Chaos and its daemons.

So you're expecting me to take the Tyranid section as canon but the rest of it as non-canon (because their sections present them as a bigger threat than Tyranids, Chaos even explicitly and specifically stated as being the biggest threat, not Tyranids), but you're unable to provide a reason other than blatant fanboyism.

So I just give you a canon citation of the Rulebook without making personal opinions about it, or other parts of the same rulebook talking about other races, and you assume all of that to attack me and call me fanboy?
Wow. Can you relax, please? I have no time to discuss with unpolite people that don't know how to debate with sources as civilized people and goes all full with the mental gymnastics.

I'll drop this argument here. Have a nice day.

But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

BrianDavion wrote:
yeah, honestly, I'm an ultramarines fan and even I'm kinda dissappointed by that fluff. I mean, it's a double deus ex machina

Well you need deus ex machina to beat deus ex machina. Tyranids are painted in such ridiculous scale that it's pretty much impossible to beat them without deus ex machina. Which is why I'm not that fan of the official tyranid fluff. Foregone conclusion without deus ex machina good story makes not.

Fluff could have been worse.
How sad would it be if everybody put their differences aside and got buddy buddy to stave off the Nids.
Surely there could be something awesome in between but considering they just sent Matt Ward on holidays rather than a one way trip and imagined that the fans who demanded his blood not to notice his return - well, they have questionable imagination.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Fluff could have been worse.
How sad would it be if everybody put their differences aside and got buddy buddy to stave off the Nids.
Surely there could be something awesome in between but considering they just sent Matt Ward on holidays rather than a one way trip and imagined that the fans who demanded his blood not to notice his return - well, they have questionable imagination.

Actually I kind of would have loved that.

I was sort of hoping that with the fall of cadia and the 13th black crusade I would have wanted a massive chaos force getting closer and closer to Terra. Have the Ynead and craftworlders join IoM to fight off chaos only to have Leviathan suddenly show up and just wreck the feth out of chaos because the shadow would weaken their link to their power source. Suddenly Leviathan is descending onto Terra and everyone has to unite to stop the nids. Tau, Necrons, all Eldars. Orks come too because big fights are best fights. The other races realize that if the nids roll over the IoM their zero loss method of conquest would make the hive fleet impossible to beat for the other races alone. It would be the death of the galaxy.

Everyone manages to beat back the nids and small splinter fleets head off in various directions. Everyone elses forces are greatly diminished. Since everyone is weak and it's 40k everyone expects the back stabbing to commence (except the orks. They are just happy to be fighting). 8th could have kicked off with the new normal of everything being the same because everyone got their asses kicked.

GodDamUser wrote:
But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

Well what we know of that, if the vanished fleet is corrupted it will be discarded by the hive mind so if it's lost in the warp it's considered destroyed either way.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Fluff could have been worse.
How sad would it be if everybody put their differences aside and got buddy buddy to stave off the Nids.
Surely there could be something awesome in between but considering they just sent Matt Ward on holidays rather than a one way trip and imagined that the fans who demanded his blood not to notice his return - well, they have questionable imagination.

Actually I kind of would have loved that.

I was sort of hoping that with the fall of cadia and the 13th black crusade I would have wanted a massive chaos force getting closer and closer to Terra. Have the Ynead and craftworlders join IoM to fight off chaos only to have Leviathan suddenly show up and just wreck the feth out of chaos because the shadow would weaken their link to their power source. Suddenly Leviathan is descending onto Terra and everyone has to unite to stop the nids. Tau, Necrons, all Eldars. Orks come too because big fights are best fights. The other races realize that if the nids roll over the IoM their zero loss method of conquest would make the hive fleet impossible to beat for the other races alone. It would be the death of the galaxy.

Everyone manages to beat back the nids and small splinter fleets head off in various directions. Everyone elses forces are greatly diminished. Since everyone is weak and it's 40k everyone expects the back stabbing to commence (except the orks. They are just happy to be fighting). 8th could have kicked off with the new normal of everything being the same because everyone got their asses kicked.

...hmmm, that sounds a lot better than it did in my head.
Well said Good Sir.

 n0t_u wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

Well what we know of that, if the vanished fleet is corrupted it will be discarded by the hive mind so if it's lost in the warp it's considered destroyed either way.

The last time a splinter fleet was vanished into the Warp it survived the trip just fine, to the horror of the Eldar.

Tyran wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

Well what we know of that, if the vanished fleet is corrupted it will be discarded by the hive mind so if it's lost in the warp it's considered destroyed either way.

The last time a splinter fleet was vanished into the Warp it survived the trip just fine, to the horror of the Eldar.

Well by discard they don't kill or absorb them because of the corruption, if any, so they might just pop up again yeh.

Continue nomming as normal. Or though I wouldn't put it past them some sort of creature that can start nomming warp energy, or at least utilise it in some meaningful way.

icn1982 wrote:
Continue nomming as normal. Or though I wouldn't put it past them some sort of creature that can start nomming warp energy, or at least utilise it in some meaningful way.

The Doom of Malan'tai/Neurothrope could psychically devour souls, which are Warp energy.

 Deadshot wrote:

icn1982 wrote:
Continue nomming as normal. Or though I wouldn't put it past them some sort of creature that can start nomming warp energy, or at least utilise it in some meaningful way.

The Doom of Malan'tai/Neurothrope could psychically devour souls, which are Warp energy.

And the Valedor novel implies that it is common for the Tyranids to devour the souls of their prey, as IIRC they use the psychic imprint of Eldar "twisted into new forms" to track a splinter fleet.

Tyran wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

Well what we know of that, if the vanished fleet is corrupted it will be discarded by the hive mind so if it's lost in the warp it's considered destroyed either way.

The last time a splinter fleet was vanished into the Warp it survived the trip just fine, to the horror of the Eldar.

IIRC the Valedor novel implied that was abnormal and a result of Slaanesh trying to hurt the Eldar.

pm713 wrote:

Tyran wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

GodDamUser wrote:
But to the Origonal Topic..

We found out what the Tyranids are up to with all this warp chaos..

1. Disappearing to gods know where..
2. Getting dunked by Chaos

Well what we know of that, if the vanished fleet is corrupted it will be discarded by the hive mind so if it's lost in the warp it's considered destroyed either way.

The last time a splinter fleet was vanished into the Warp it survived the trip just fine, to the horror of the Eldar.

IIRC the Valedor novel implied that was abnormal and a result of Slaanesh trying to hurt the Eldar.

True, although Slaanesh involvement probably was more dumping the splinter fleet exactly in that place and time.

Plus plenty of ships and/or fleets have survived being lost in the warp, and Genestealers can survive exposed warp travel in space hulks just fine.

Interestingly the 8th rulebook and Xenos 2 book both state the current Nid fleets in the Galaxy are just the vanguards and that the Hive Mind is simply "softening up the Galaxy" for a larger invasion.
Probably puts the whole "no more Nids are coming" theory to bed.

 Ratius wrote:
Interestingly the 8th rulebook and Xenos 2 book both state the current Nid fleets in the Galaxy are just the vanguards and that the Hive Mind is simply "softening up the Galaxy" for a larger invasion.
Probably puts the whole "no more Nids are coming" theory to bed.

Does it actually outright state that or is it a theory from an in-universe source?

If it's the former that's slightly disappointing. I'm of the opinion that revealing too many mysteries as hard truths makes a fantasy universe seem small, cheap and uninteresting compared to leaving these mysteries open.

By all means make strong allusions to the idea that these are just vanguard fleets, but outright stating it robs it of something special. The point is that it's much scarier not knowing precisely what's out there than knowing what's out there is really bad. It's a quirk of human psychology which is really nice to exploit from a narrative perspective

"Thusfar only their vanguard has reached the Galaxy - the greater mass is still on its way"

Definitely not an ingame speculation imo as the whole previous paragraph is simply stating what/who the Nids are. Its very matter-of-fact.
I recall the 5th ed codex where its stated the IoM thought they would have to ramp up military production by 500% to combat the Nid threat.
8ths piece is definitely not like that.

 Ratius wrote:
"Thusfar only their vanguard has reached the Galaxy - the greater mass is still on its way"

Definitely not an ingame speculation imo as the whole previous paragraph is simply stating what/who the Nids are. Its very matter-of-fact.
I recall the 5th ed codex where its stated the IoM thought they would have to ramp up military production by 500% to combat the Nid threat.
8ths piece is definitely not like that.

Great.

Another mystery stated to be absolute fact. How inelegant.

Well! That's one less thing to bother talking about and debating. Keep up with that and there'll be nothing to bother talking about at all, just a forum full of people providing links to Lexicanum articles because what's the point of debating something if it's stated outright?

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