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not impressed.
more or less all resin models has been left out of this.

 frozenwastes wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
sounds pretty darn interesting. How did you like going through the GHB for points? did you find it smooth or is it a bit clunky? I am considering using my Silver Tower dudes for a tzeentch force.

I just went to scrollbuilder.com on my tablet and got the points and figured out points per model and then divided that by five. I think you round according to normal math rules which is like .5 or higher round up. That's what I read on the grand alliance forum anyway (I should really sign up there, it's a chill place). Also:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PuJFr9nZwz2K3CwU0u31AlMnuBL25B65IxUtkZJFNdE/edit#gid=925980163

It's not complete, but it's got lots of stuff.

thanks, that does look pretty good!

Being so similar to Kill Team does it also heavily favour hordes or does the battleshock mitigate it enough?

It seems to favor anything that has an aura that can stack and Mortal wounds of course like the regular game

rmeister0 wrote:
Two thoughts.

I do think increasing the starting Renown limit for campaign games will commonly be house-ruled to 30. It was the first thing I thought of when I was reading it on release day.

It shouldn't be too hard to work in models they didn't provide renown values for; and frankly, AoS itself is a pretty game to house rule, so there is a great deal of expansion possibilities for the creative players.

Honestly, I think that even starting the Renown limit at 30 still keeps a few armies out in the cold.

I had a thought of allowing for your General to be taken at half the Renown cost, but other costs(wargear, traits, whatever) remaining the same.

 Kanluwen wrote:

rmeister0 wrote:
Two thoughts.

I do think increasing the starting Renown limit for campaign games will commonly be house-ruled to 30. It was the first thing I thought of when I was reading it on release day.

It shouldn't be too hard to work in models they didn't provide renown values for; and frankly, AoS itself is a pretty game to house rule, so there is a great deal of expansion possibilities for the creative players.

Honestly, I think that even starting the Renown limit at 30 still keeps a few armies out in the cold.

I had a thought of allowing for your General to be taken at half the Renown cost, but other costs(wargear, traits, whatever) remaining the same.

If I was running a campaign, I'd set the starting renown limit to 30 and allow anyone who can't fit their faction in at that level to start with renown "debt", I.E if there is no way to fit a hero and 2 models from your faction under 30 renown, you can start with a 35 renown warband (or whatever the absolute minimum is for your faction), but you can't add any more models until you've earned five renown plus the cost of the new model (your opponents would get a bonus reroll every game until the debt was paid off). Some common sense might be need here. You couldn't, say, take a Gaunt Summoner and two Varanguard to start with an Everchosen warband at around 65 points (don't have my book with me to check the points cost).

 EnTyme wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

rmeister0 wrote:
Two thoughts.

I do think increasing the starting Renown limit for campaign games will commonly be house-ruled to 30. It was the first thing I thought of when I was reading it on release day.

It shouldn't be too hard to work in models they didn't provide renown values for; and frankly, AoS itself is a pretty game to house rule, so there is a great deal of expansion possibilities for the creative players.

Honestly, I think that even starting the Renown limit at 30 still keeps a few armies out in the cold.

I had a thought of allowing for your General to be taken at half the Renown cost, but other costs(wargear, traits, whatever) remaining the same.

If I was running a campaign, I'd set the starting renown limit to 30 and allow anyone who can't fit their faction in at that level to start with renown "debt", I.E if there is no way to fit a hero and 2 models from your faction under 30 renown, you can start with a 35 renown warband (or whatever the absolute minimum is for your faction), but you can't add any more models until you've earned five renown plus the cost of the new model (your opponents would get a bonus reroll every game until the debt was paid off). Some common sense might be need here. You couldn't, say, take a Gaunt Summoner and two Varanguard to start with an Everchosen warband at around 65 points (don't have my book with me to check the points cost).

20 for a Varanguard and 24 for a Gaunt Summoner; you're pretty spot on.

I'm thinking about this from the perspective of someone who bought a Lord-Aquilor and Gryph-Hounds prior to the Skirmish book debuting and kinda getting the shaft in that regards...since the Lord-Aquilor just flatout isn't in the book(I maintain that the reason why is that it's because of his Command Ability and the Astral Compass) and if you wanted to run something like a "themed force" of that nature you just can't do it at low values.

I'm hoping for some competatively fluffy lists to be made for skirmish... the game is small enough that you can make a small story about it and even incorporate it into a campaign. Would be nice to see.

I'm suprised that there are no warrior priests and flagellants to choose from, i would have thought they would be fairly iconic, or they used to be anyhow. How do you calculate the points for units not in the book, divide by 5 or something.

actually that is dissapointing... Would've liked to see a Warrior Priest leading a warband full of the faithful and paid mercenaries... Also have a Witch Hunter with a pack of Gryph-hounds searching for their quarry.

 Madmatt wrote:
I'm suprised that there are no warrior priests and flagellants to choose from, i would have thought they would be fairly iconic, or they used to be anyhow. How do you calculate the points for units not in the book, divide by 5 or something.

yes, divide the unit points by number of models then divide the result by 5 and round appropriately.

eg. Skaven Gutter Runners: 60 pts for 5 models = 12 points per model, divided by 5 = 2.4 then round to the nearest whole number (this is where it gets a bit hinky, 2.4 should round to 2 but Night Runners are already 2 so I personally would round up to 3 in this case)

Hm... i was wondering about how to go about adding the exelsior warpriest, but i don't think he has a point value in the ghb?

 amazingturtles wrote:
Hm... i was wondering about how to go about adding the exelsior warpriest, but i don't think he has a point value in the ghb?

He's in the Pitched Battles Profiles under the AoS Rules/Errata page on the GW site. He's 80 points.

 Madmatt wrote:
I'm suprised that there are no warrior priests and flagellants to choose from, i would have thought they would be fairly iconic, or they used to be anyhow. How do you calculate the points for units not in the book, divide by 5 or something.

They were kind of iconic to WHF empire, to AoS however...not at all. That is why i'm not surprised, this is basically a different universe even if they are tied together. If they ever do a reboot of the basic lowly humans I wouldn't expect them to be as historical themed as the Empire troops, i'd expect them to be more of the high fantasy cartoon style AoS is going for.

The warrior priests and flagellants still show up alot in AoS. They spill their blood to sanctify the ground that Sigmar builds his cities upon and were a common sight in the age of chaos as the few human forces able to help the Stormcast during the age of chaos.

My guess is that they have less influence and numbers to make it to the city than before as the current timeline sees organized Order armies taking the field rather than forces of survivors and elite armies of powerful warriors.

As for human reboot, if the new book cover is anything to go by then humans are just toned down Empire.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18839165_10213528749199023_1501333429542195112_n.jpg?oh=c228673e2c5a2a91fd7e25a2e7513ddf&oe=59DF6DF3

Well that and most human accounts in the books of them ranging from tribe warriors to regular soldiers.

I thought I'd post here rather than start a new thread as the topics/questions I was going to discuss might overlap with this thread.

So, I'm actually thinking of returning with the drop of Skirmish. (It's either this or 8th Ed. 40k XD)

- I haven't been to GW or a LGS for a while but can you tell if there has been an increase of AoS players just for skirmish?

- IF I was to return I thought I'd start off with one of the new warband-starter sets and noticed that the Khorne and Stormcast ones contain 'Easy-to-build' models.
Are the Easy to Build models lower quality (detail-wise) than the regular box models? (I know the Battle for Macragge 40k Space Marine easy to build ones were terrible)

- Have there been any rumors for more warband-starter sets? (We only have 4 so far right? Stormcast, Khorne, Flesh-eaters and Orruks?)

The easy to build stuff is great, but it lacks customisation.

They are the same quality as the fancy box stuff but only come in one pose each.

Really wish they'd publish Disciples of Tzeench skirmish box set.

The ruleset is a bit basic and wish hero wouldn't be mandatory. Apart from that that I think I'm going to enjoy it.

I haven't been to GW or a LGS for a while but can you tell if there has been an increase of AoS players just for skirmish?

I've been following the grand alliance forum and things were picking up the momentum before the skirmish. The lower point format might encourage but I doubt many suddenly jumped simply because of it.

 EnTyme wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

rmeister0 wrote:
Two thoughts.

I do think increasing the starting Renown limit for campaign games will commonly be house-ruled to 30. It was the first thing I thought of when I was reading it on release day.

It shouldn't be too hard to work in models they didn't provide renown values for; and frankly, AoS itself is a pretty game to house rule, so there is a great deal of expansion possibilities for the creative players.

Honestly, I think that even starting the Renown limit at 30 still keeps a few armies out in the cold.

I had a thought of allowing for your General to be taken at half the Renown cost, but other costs(wargear, traits, whatever) remaining the same.

If I was running a campaign, I'd set the starting renown limit to 30 and allow anyone who can't fit their faction in at that level to start with renown "debt", I.E if there is no way to fit a hero and 2 models from your faction under 30 renown, you can start with a 35 renown warband (or whatever the absolute minimum is for your faction), but you can't add any more models until you've earned five renown plus the cost of the new model (your opponents would get a bonus reroll every game until the debt was paid off). Some common sense might be need here. You couldn't, say, take a Gaunt Summoner and two Varanguard to start with an Everchosen warband at around 65 points (don't have my book with me to check the points cost).

I do like the idea of pushing up to 30 renown or evern 35 renown. I know you are using the Everchosen as a for instance but per the rules you could only run one Varanguard Min/Max is 1, so that would give you other options with that list.

BomBomHotdog wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:
Hm... i was wondering about how to go about adding the exelsior warpriest, but i don't think he has a point value in the ghb?

He's in the Pitched Battles Profiles under the AoS Rules/Errata page on the GW site. He's 80 points.

Thanks! so, he would be a 16 renown model in skirmish from what Z-ray said. Seems reasonable to me. i'll have to try him out my next game as long as my opponent agrees.

Do any of you know if the Skirmish book contains points for the models in the Spire of Dawn set?

Green Army wrote:
Do any of you know if the Skirmish book contains points for the models in the Spire of Dawn set?

Everything except the Highwarden (Prince on Griffon) has points for it.

Thanks aquietfrog