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McCragge

Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

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On one hand it is bad form to publicly out someone. On the other he has been caught cheating and dq'd at multiple events. in both 40k and AOS. Quiet words and discrete attempts at changing his behaviour have not worked. I think it may be justified here, if they feel he has cheated.
   
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McCragge

What other events was he DQd?

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. 
   
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 Primark G wrote:
Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


Not defending it. But this is what the community has been asking TOs to do. Unfortunatly it came "after the fact" adding to the feeling of disorganization.

 
   
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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
So.

Everyone got 15 points for sportsmanship bar _one_ person that got 20 points.
This seems more suggestive of a sportsmanship system which the players didn't understand or didn't use, rather than one person being amazingly sporting and everyone else being perfectly average.

I also notice my list scores are wrong. I did not/should not have scored the 15 points as I did, as my list was late, and not free of errors.
[It was, at least, correctly formatted.]

Yeah I didn’t see many favourite game votes going in, if I am honest. The 1 player who got 20, was the 1 player who got 4 votes and thus auto won the “most sporting” prize.

As for the list scores, they are wrong for pretty much everyone, but I don’t know if they are going to be updated or not.
   
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Scarecrow20 wrote:Alex Harrison being called out for cheating again
Who would have thought it.
Banned at last. Bout time. People joke about his play style continually but looks like things have caught up to him at last. Don't know the guy but his reputation proceeds him.


Precisely, you don't know me. There are a few on the scene who dislike me personally so have slandered my name and others just assume therefore that it is true. Play me first then make your own judgement mate

Primark G wrote:Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


This is exactly the case. Ive spoken to Zach who apologised at how he has handled it. The post wasnt even directly from LGT but someone online hwo went through every inch of play i made, but not once went through what Geoff did. I was hung to dry, not much I can do.

CassianSol wrote:
On one hand it is bad form to publicly out someone. On the other he has been caught cheating and dq'd at multiple events. in both 40k and AOS. Quiet words and discrete attempts at changing his behaviour have not worked. I think it may be justified here, if they feel he has cheated.


Now this is the problem. You hear chinese whispers so assume it's true. I have never been DQ'd from a 40k or AOS event. Once I told a TO to dock all my points at 1 event about 3 years ago (Cally) because I used a brand new Forgeworld model incorectly. It was brought to my attention and i told the TO to give all my opponents a max win. But then people twist the truth and state that I intentionally cheated.

zedsdead wrote:
 Primark G wrote:
Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


Not defending it. But this is what the community has been asking TOs to do. Unfortunately it came "after the fact" adding to the feeling of disorganization.


If I had made clear cheating during the game then fair enough. But minor mistakes which had 0 impact on the game only to be branded as a cheat is completely different. If players went through every single streamed game in the detail this man did with mine they will find a lot more "Cheaters".

Overall its LGTs way of pushing the gak fest of a tourney it was onto me. The TO, Zach, even apologised to me and told me he would do a public apology which has not happened. Its just an absolute joke.
   
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 KillswitchUK wrote:
Scarecrow20 wrote:Alex Harrison being called out for cheating again
Who would have thought it.
Banned at last. Bout time. People joke about his play style continually but looks like things have caught up to him at last. Don't know the guy but his reputation proceeds him.


Precisely, you don't know me. There are a few on the scene who dislike me personally so have slandered my name and others just assume therefore that it is true. Play me first then make your own judgement mate

Primark G wrote:Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


This is exactly the case. Ive spoken to Zach who apologised at how he has handled it. The post wasnt even directly from LGT but someone online hwo went through every inch of play i made, but not once went through what Geoff did. I was hung to dry, not much I can do.

CassianSol wrote:
On one hand it is bad form to publicly out someone. On the other he has been caught cheating and dq'd at multiple events. in both 40k and AOS. Quiet words and discrete attempts at changing his behaviour have not worked. I think it may be justified here, if they feel he has cheated.


Now this is the problem. You hear chinese whispers so assume it's true. I have never been DQ'd from a 40k or AOS event. Once I told a TO to dock all my points at 1 event about 3 years ago (Cally) because I used a brand new Forgeworld model incorectly. It was brought to my attention and i told the TO to give all my opponents a max win. But then people twist the truth and state that I intentionally cheated.

zedsdead wrote:
 Primark G wrote:
Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


Not defending it. But this is what the community has been asking TOs to do. Unfortunately it came "after the fact" adding to the feeling of disorganization.


If I had made clear cheating during the game then fair enough. But minor mistakes which had 0 impact on the game only to be branded as a cheat is completely different. If players went through every single streamed game in the detail this man did with mine they will find a lot more "Cheaters".

Overall its LGTs way of pushing the gak fest of a tourney it was onto me. The TO, Zach, even apologised to me and told me he would do a public apology which has not happened. Its just an absolute joke.



Your post is full of contradictions.

First you say someone that is not part of the TO did this to you for personal reasons. Then you said the TO did this to deflect attention away from their organizing issues? Which is it?

It seems like you don't consider micro cheating actual cheating, and just want to deflect anything to the TO, people with agendas or your opponent does it too!
You say that previously you have not been DQ but offered to give away your points for playing a unit wrong. If that indeed happend , why didn't you offer the same this time since you played units incorrectly this time as well?

Where is your accountablity? You blame the TO, accuse your opponents, but little ownership speaks volume of your behaviour.

Luckily anyone can watch the video and form their own conclusions, there is no reason to play you to confirm you are certainly one of "those", which is the "personal issue" some players have with you I'm assuming.


   
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 KillswitchUK wrote:
Scarecrow20 wrote:Alex Harrison being called out for cheating again
Who would have thought it.
Banned at last. Bout time. People joke about his play style continually but looks like things have caught up to him at last. Don't know the guy but his reputation proceeds him.


Precisely, you don't know me. There are a few on the scene who dislike me personally so have slandered my name and others just assume therefore that it is true. Play me first then make your own judgement mate

Primark G wrote:Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


This is exactly the case. Ive spoken to Zach who apologised at how he has handled it. The post wasnt even directly from LGT but someone online hwo went through every inch of play i made, but not once went through what Geoff did. I was hung to dry, not much I can do.

CassianSol wrote:
On one hand it is bad form to publicly out someone. On the other he has been caught cheating and dq'd at multiple events. in both 40k and AOS. Quiet words and discrete attempts at changing his behaviour have not worked. I think it may be justified here, if they feel he has cheated.


Now this is the problem. You hear chinese whispers so assume it's true. I have never been DQ'd from a 40k or AOS event. Once I told a TO to dock all my points at 1 event about 3 years ago (Cally) because I used a brand new Forgeworld model incorectly. It was brought to my attention and i told the TO to give all my opponents a max win. But then people twist the truth and state that I intentionally cheated.

zedsdead wrote:
 Primark G wrote:
Looks to me like LGT threw him under the bus to distract what a poor job they did. Really poor form to make such a public disclosure IMO.


Not defending it. But this is what the community has been asking TOs to do. Unfortunately it came "after the fact" adding to the feeling of disorganization.


If I had made clear cheating during the game then fair enough. But minor mistakes which had 0 impact on the game only to be branded as a cheat is completely different. If players went through every single streamed game in the detail this man did with mine they will find a lot more "Cheaters".

Overall its LGTs way of pushing the gak fest of a tourney it was onto me. The TO, Zach, even apologised to me and told me he would do a public apology which has not happened. Its just an absolute joke.



Hi.

Would you mind posting screenshots of those messages from Zack for us, particularly his apology and note that he'd be making an apology, and the admission that one of his staff single handedly undermining him by posting this kind of offical attack on you without his knowledge or consent?

Thanks.

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AdmiralHalsey wrote:

Hi.

Would you mind posting screenshots of those messages from Zack for us, particularly his apology and note that he'd be making an apology, and the admission that one of his staff single handedly undermining him by posting this kind of offical attack on you without his knowledge or consent?

Thanks.


Im not sure it was his staff that did it. The post was shown to us in a Facebook group chat where we all laughed it off and thought nothing of it. The fact that someone went into such minute detail just goes to show how hard they wanted to see me get done for making mistakes. I am currently going through all the other footage of other players and noticed plenty of mistakes but they wont be shown publicly. Anyways, the lads in the group all said there is no way anything like that would be posted as it’s all a joke and extremely petty. Zach, the TO, is also in the group. He then basically copied and pasted said post into a LGT Facebook post for the world to see and bans me. Of course the chat goes mental as does the post. Zach messages me saying he shouldn’t have done it and an apology would be made. Ill post up later said message as I am currently at work (oopsie shouldn’t be on here dirty cheat).

As for Georff, had a chat with him and he said he had a few people warn him of me because of this “rep” of being a cheat because of the previous event I mentioned. Anyways, we had a great game and he even said he had no issues at all. The problem we did have was the mistake I made with the FTGG which I honestly did not know. We resolved the issue and moved on. No issue at all. Problem is there will always be someone on stream that will shout “cheat” at the earliest opportunity.
   
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 KillswitchUK wrote:
The problem we did have was the mistake I made with the FTGG which I honestly did not know. We resolved the issue and moved on. No issue at all.

But you still used FtGG and your hammerheads incorrectly on day 2? It was constantly being posted in twitch chat, so that the TO's would hopefully catch it.

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 KillswitchUK wrote:

If I had made clear cheating during the game then fair enough. But minor mistakes which had 0 impact on the game only to be branded as a cheat is completely different. If players went through every single streamed game in the detail this man did with mine they will find a lot more "Cheaters".

Overall its LGTs way of pushing the gak fest of a tourney it was onto me. The TO, Zach, even apologised to me and told me he would do a public apology which has not happened. Its just an absolute joke.


I see it the other way. You got called out and are trying to diffuse it saying that tourney was a gak show, where the two are mutually exclusive. How does the tourney being a gak show have anything to do with the footage? If the tourney was run crisp and clean, would it make any difference to what the footage shows? No.

You picking up the wound marker at 9:04 where you rolled one dice for a save, and picked up both that dice and another dice that was not yours looks extremely "slight of hand" https://www.twitch.tv/videos/263408718?t=0009m04s Especially when you then "realize" you picked it up and put it down with a different number. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/263408718?t=00h15m14s

The whole bumping the Hammerhead is shady AF. It looks like you were worried that Geoff was going to try to land in the middle of all of them with the charge and you were trying to close the gap. It wasn't a tap. It was a push, plain and simple. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/263408718?t=00h25m21s

The thing will you rolling the dice over in your hand saying it was a 5 instead of a 3? Again, shady AF. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/263408718?t=00h12m21s

There is plenty to look at here for anyone to make an informed opinion. These are not minor mistakes. Trying to play the victim card and say the event is using you to deflect is sounds like you are trying to deflect yourself. I was wondering why Geoff was playing so tight when I was watching the stream. Now I understand. How much of this crap would you have gotten away with if he wasn't playing you so tight? How much of this did you get away with in your other games?

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Problem is you've made your mind up and won't have anything soo no point. You clearly don't know how the game was going.

Think about it....do you really think I'd change the dice rolls for my last markerlight shot to get 2 hits...you do realise 2 hits = use seeker missiles at normal BS

..which I had none of. Why the hell would I CHEAT to gain that? Use your brain instead of following the crowd and have a deep think!

As for the hammerhead. Why the hell would I nudge him forwards? He couldn't charge me as he left combat and I was already directly on the objective. Again I gain NOTHING. It's literally making me cringe how many people think I'm trying to gain an advantage which gives ZERO benefit to me!!

As requested:

https://ibb.co/cQRkY8

I'll be going through those 40 hours of footage and will be posting all the other "mistakes" people make for you all to realise we are human beings that want to just play a GAME.

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McCragge

I am glad to see you stand up for yourself. It is in many ways unfair for you to be subjected by multiple allegations from anon posters who were not there and going simply on hearsay. Bravo man!

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. 
   
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Yeah I can only reiterate what has already been said, Organisation was very poor, but met and played a bunch of nice people.

I think my first game was against AdmiralHalsey who's lovely other half was able to fetch food for us during our game or I wouldn't have eaten all day.

Doubt I will return next year off the back of this, particularly when there are other events that I can go to instead. Maybe if they get their act together next year I will return the year after.

   
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I did not go to the London GT and I have not been to 40k event, I got back into the hobby with the 8th ed release last year.

But as someone who has been looking to start going to events I have tried to follow the larger events this year, the ones I have seen in the States look awesome; nice venues, tables etc. And from the outside look like something I want to get involved in, playing games against people well painted armies on good boards whilst enjoying a few drinks. But the pictures from the London GT are shocking, not only have they let down the people who attended it but they have let down the wider community. The London GT has the reputation for being one of the grand slams of 40k and surely has the responsibility to showcase the hobby in the best possible way, I am sure people who traveled far for the event will think twice about doing it again and I hope it has not put people off attending events again. There are some who would love to see the 40k tourney scene progress to something close to the esports model, it is a long way from that and is not helped with a streamed event this big having so much negativity around it.

The other "should be large" event surely has to be the GT final at Warhammer fest? With a qualification process, this should be the event with massive hype. The fact its open to the public at a paid event like Warhammer fest with a wide range of hobbyists in attendance should be showcasing what Warhammer at the top end looks like, the tables at the GT final whilst better than the ones posted at London where pretty uninspiring... bland terrain with poor LOS blocking. Also the fact only half of the invited field turned up is pretty damning, this due to the Friday night game stuff and the weekend before the "biggest event" surely they need to come together to get these tournaments a few weeks a part at least? With regards to the terrain they gave a load out on the bits box tables. Surely GW could have provided much better terrain, I'm sure if they worked with local gaming clubs in the midlands to do a terrain build weekend where clubs spend a day making as much scenery and painting as possible with the promise they can have the terrain after the event. What would this cost GW? Not much and would help out some local groups win/win. If Games Workshop can't host an event with amazing tables then something wrong.

The community is growing strong in 40k at the moment and some people may be put off by what they hear or see or just aren't inspired enough to give up a weekend to play on poor tables and be uncomfortable all weekend. The big events need to be thinking bigger IMO, to showcase the game to a wider audience than people who can see the practicality of getting away with foam board as terrain and show the enjoyable side of entering such an event; the social aspects, enjoying the game, hobby awards etc. not just streaming the WAAC top tables.

Just out of interest how many people are part of running the London GT? I can understand its a massive task whilst working full time with organising and trying to sort terrain. Maybe they need to get some other groups in to help with certain aspects. Be awesome to see groups from all over the country pitch it to make one amazing event, a real showcase of what the UK scene can do. The States are putting us to shame at the moment.
   
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p00rstudent wrote:
Yeah I can only reiterate what has already been said, Organisation was very poor, but met and played a bunch of nice people.

I think my first game was against AdmiralHalsey who's lovely other half was able to fetch food for us during our game or I wouldn't have eaten all day.

Doubt I will return next year off the back of this, particularly when there are other events that I can go to instead. Maybe if they get their act together next year I will return the year after.



Carnifex player!

You were great fun, it was probably my favourite game of the whole event, and definately the one with the most space to move around!
Perhaps we'll battle again, one day.

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AdmiralHalsey wrote:
p00rstudent wrote:
Yeah I can only reiterate what has already been said, Organisation was very poor, but met and played a bunch of nice people.

I think my first game was against AdmiralHalsey who's lovely other half was able to fetch food for us during our game or I wouldn't have eaten all day.

Doubt I will return next year off the back of this, particularly when there are other events that I can go to instead. Maybe if they get their act together next year I will return the year after.



Carnifex player!

You were great fun, it was probably my favourite game of the whole event, and definately the one with the most space to move around!
Perhaps we'll battle again, one day.


Were you the bloke with a dozen black-and-yellow Carnifexes? If so, lovely army, how did they get on?
   
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Yup that was me, Came mid table which I consider good, Lost every game on the first day, but won every game on the second so pretty happy overall

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KillswitchUK wrote:Problem is you've made your mind up and won't have anything soo no point. You clearly don't know how the game was going.

Think about it....do you really think I'd change the dice rolls for my last markerlight shot to get 2 hits...you do realise 2 hits = use seeker missiles at normal BS

..which I had none of. Why the hell would I CHEAT to gain that? Use your brain instead of following the crowd and have a deep think!

As for the hammerhead. Why the hell would I nudge him forwards? He couldn't charge me as he left combat and I was already directly on the objective. Again I gain NOTHING. It's literally making me cringe how many people think I'm trying to gain an advantage which gives ZERO benefit to me!!

As requested:

https://ibb.co/cQRkY8

I'll be going through those 40 hours of footage and will be posting all the other "mistakes" people make for you all to realize we are human beings that want to just play a GAME.


Watching the videos, either you cheated deliberately, or you got the brain of a gnat and have no business playing a tourney. Regardless not being able to play against you in a tournament is going to make a lot of people happy (please don't be dumb and say oh they're gonna be happy because I am so good) as you just seem to be the worst person to play against.

Yes the event seemed poorly organized and that sucks, and yes you appear to have cheated, and maybe even yes they are publicizing it to divert attention on to you and that is a $**TTY thing as well, but just because the event or TO is a "villain" doesn't mean you are not a "villain," We don't have to have a good guy and a bad guy here.

Edit: Also I am not sure what intentional cheating is going to look like if not like what we are seeing here, minus maybe a "look over there" maneuver... Any sort of cheating caught can be played off as a minor mistake or slip of mind, the consistency is what is really alarming. No one is going to expect a cheater to say, "okay they are STR 900 AP 47 cause I am cheating and that's how its gonna go."

TLDR: event looked disappointing to participate in, this guy appears to have cheated. Life is a series of disappointments, nothing new here.

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 exploited751 wrote:
Life is a series of disappointments


Aww :(

   
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McCragge

It is impossible to know if some posters are posting these lengthy diatribes like exploited751 due to some grudge - as such they do not really carry any weight.

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. 
   
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 Primark G wrote:
It is impossible to know if some posters are posting these lengthy diatribes like exploited751 due to some grudge - as such they do not really carry any weight.


My grudge is:

One, he played Tau and cheated, I play Tau.
Two. He cheated.
Three. Its hilarious to watch someone defend himself on the internet so lets just say that removes one grudge point due to the LOLs that this has cause.
Three again see above. It brings shame to the community.
Four. He cheated a lot
Five. He is literally doing the exact same thing he claims the Event Organizers are doing. He claims he is a scapegoat because the event was so disastrous, meanwhile he is using the event's disaster as a scapegoat to mitigate thoughts on his cheating.

I have never participated in an ITC event to date (although I am signed up for one in August) and I have never been to England and I have never met this dude, so clearly I have a personal vendetta against him due to the atrocities of the War of 1812 when the UK 9/11'd the 'muricah White House.

The only thing I know is what were in those videos on twitch.

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McCragge

I am not trying to be mean but I have to say you are an anon poster on the internet - your word carries no weight with me.

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. 
   
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For someone who doesn't attend tournies you seem to know a lot about how people play mate.
   
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 Primark G wrote:
I am not trying to be mean but I have to say you are an anon poster on the internet - your word carries no weight with me.


Welcome to the internet, did you know there are pics of naky ladies on it and you can do gambling? Also I heard you can download music from this hip new thing called napster.

This discussion isn't about me and its really not about you, this is about terrain/slightly upgraded shoeboxes, organization or lack thereof, and some dude accused of cheating. And this discussion is on the internet, and no one really knows who is who on the internet. Glad you're all caught up.

I am sorry you are unhappy with the location of the conversation you are participating in???? If you want we can all meet up at a different equally convenient location of your choosing to further this conversation and to strip away the anonymity that has plagued these forums for what seems like since they got put up.

Anyways, we are off topic, yes you don't know who I am, yes I don't know who you are, I don't care, 40k tournaments are interesting to me and I follow them slightly and this is what there is to discuss so, I, anon #312,778,014,003 am voicing my opinion of what I have perceived to have transpired from video, pictures, and second hand accounts, and I do not like what I am seeing.


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 KillswitchUK wrote:
For someone who doesn't attend tournies you seem to know a lot about how people play mate.


Yeah there was literally hours of videos to watch. Mate...

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Haha KillSwitchUK that was quite timely and relevant.

Bow down to Guilliman for he is our new God Emperor!

Martel - "Custodes are terrible in 8th. Good luck with them. They take all the problems of marines and multiply them."

"Lol, classic martel. 'I know it was strong enough to podium in the biggest tournament in the world but I refuse to acknowledge space marines are good because I can't win with them and it can't possibly be ME'."

DakkaDakka is really the place where you need anti-tank guns to kill basic dudes, because anything less isn't durable enough. 
   
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 exploited751 wrote:
 Primark G wrote:
It is impossible to know if some posters are posting these lengthy diatribes like exploited751 due to some grudge - as such they do not really carry any weight.


My grudge is:

One, he played Tau and cheated, I play Tau.
Two. He cheated.
Three. Its hilarious to watch someone defend himself on the internet so lets just say that removes one grudge point due to the LOLs that this has cause.
Three again see above. It brings shame to the community.
Four. He cheated a lot
Five. He is literally doing the exact same thing he claims the Event Organizers are doing. He claims he is a scapegoat because the event was so disastrous, meanwhile he is using the event's disaster as a scapegoat to mitigate thoughts on his cheating.

I have never participated in an ITC event to date (although I am signed up for one in August) and I have never been to England and I have never met this dude, so clearly I have a personal vendetta against him due to the atrocities of the War of 1812 when the UK 9/11'd the 'muricah White House.

The only thing I know is what were in those videos on twitch.


Which are pretty normal mistake you can make when tired and in a hurry(8th ed being slow as hell even if you don't slow play). If all you have is that one video you would have to be fool to claim he's cheating(which requires intention).

I mean for christ sake you are claiming him deliberately cheating extra marker light hit when it gains him nothing(literally. Seeker missile hits on normal BS. Very useful when you don't have any seeker missiles to shoot!). That's stupid.


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Yeah there was literally hours of videos to watch. Mate...


Funny YOU then ignore all the similar cases from other players and focus on one person.

So according to you huge number of players at London GT cheated yet you only focus on one. Fair!

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Fair play to Alex for coming on here and defending himself. Not the easiest thing to do I imagine.

I've seen a lot of noise about this and to be honest it does seem a lot like a distraction technique. Which is absolutely bogus.

I haven't watched the videos and I'm not going to, to me they are kind of irrelevant. Only Alex knows if he intentionally cheated and that's all that matters for me. Anyone can brain fart and make a mistake (or series of mistakes), particularly when they've had no sleep.

This whole debarcle is really negative for 40k, not just the alleged cheating but also the way it's been handled, the rules lawyering from both parties on stream and the awful terrain at the event. I can imagine why someone who is new to the game but interested in competitive events would be entirely put off by this whole affair. That is the crime here - between Alex, Geoff, the London GT organisers and the myriad of people commenting on various media outlets about this (including myself now) we have actively put people off the hobby and have tarred the reputation of its players, the game and the competitive scene.
   
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Kdash wrote:
Ok, i've just got home from playing in the 40k GT, so a couple of thoughts from my POV.

Day 1 organisation was pretty horrendous. I was pretty "lucky" in that i managed to get close to the front of the queue when they called for it to be formed (everyone was just milling around out front before then). The bag searching was ok for what it was. Some of the security were out giving entry wrist bands to everyone in the queue (didn't even have to show them a ticket... lol...) but they started the bag search area inside, crammed into a corner. With only 3 tables. Not long after i got in they moved the setup outside, which made things easier but yeah. The "bag search" pretty much amounted to a super fast look inside and that was it. A couple of the guards were doing more thorough checks though - possibly at random.

Once through security there was registration area which amounted to 3 tables next to each other for all the events.
THEN, i had to join the queue for 40k registration and BCP event setup.
Entry was everything but streamlined.

Day 1 start was delayed for probably close on to 2 hours or so. Fortunately i spent most of the delay inside, but hundreds of people didn't.

Initially there was 1 bar open, on the 1st floor, that no-one could find easily. They also only started out with 1 member of staff behind the bar from what i was told. Queues got pretty big at times, and if you wanted a hot drink you had to queue to the tills then go back down the queue and push through it to get your own hot water and milk etc from jugs at the end of the bar.

In regards to the competition itself.

Terrain was embarrassing. Lots of people were playing the terrain differently. The "woods" amounted to an A4 sized board with cement? around the edges, the "hills" were stacks of polystyrene in a pyramid shape, and the rest was just L shaped polystyrene. None of it technically should have provided cover bonuses, but, people were just going off agreements at the start of their games. In some cases, the bits of polystyrene weren't even glued together. In most cases, it wasn't even painted or half painted.

Table wise - space was "generally" ok AFTER the 1st game. 1st game they had crammed way to many tables into 1 room they got told off for being a big fire hazard so the event then moved to tables across 3 floors.
The main issues i had was in some cases there was not enough space for people to get past each other, not all the tables were level (my game 1 and 4 were played on a table which had a massive ridge down the centre because the 2 tables the mat was on weren't the same height....) and the tables were too wide for most people. The extra width helped in some ways, but made things difficult when you had to move units on the other side of the table when you couldn't get past people to walk around.

Event organisation.
We were meant to get warnings at certain points in regards to the games remaining time length. I think this was followed maybe once. The rest of the time it was just completely random.

Table numbers were completely random as well. You'd be following the table numbers along, then suddenly you'd just up 50 tables, because the next set were on the other side of the hall for some reason.
This got even worse after game 1, because the moved the tables around, changed the numbers on the tables and then didn't tell anyone or announce it.
There was no signage on day 1 in regards to what tables were on what floor. This was semi rectified on day 2.

BCP app was, as usual in my experience, hit or miss. Sometimes it would ask for pin codes for score submission, sometimes it wouldn't. It kept logging people out randomly, and, in mine and others cases, it did not recognise the event submission pin so i had to go to the desk every game to submit scores there. It'd also often tell me i couldn't view lists due to not being in the event, after going through the "my events" section of the app and selecting the event....

The only food available was from the stadium bar, as you couldn't take any in with you. Not much in terms of options BUT, the food did come out quickly.

Due to how things went, some people didn't get a lunch break day 1 (from what they were saying though).

I only found out about things like the raffle etc due to playing one game on the top floor and i had to walk past it to get to the table... Not sure how successful it was, due to it not being advertised.

Day 2, was also delayed by an hour for some people. My game 4 started on time due to us both being at the table, many others were still stuck queuing outside. Was quicker than day 1 though.

Same issues with the tables though. Took one group of people about half an hour to find their tables due to some tables not even being numbered and tables 55-59 were nowhere near 40-54 and 60+.

Didn't have a clue where they were doing the announcements and presentation at the end until i overheard someone mention it was "upstairs". Presentation amounted to a list of names and awards being read out quickly and not always clearly. Prizes were given out on the side, away from the "stage", so i don't think i even saw one of the winners.

Didn't really get to see much in regards to the other events, beyond some guy in the 30k event having an amazing looking Thunderhawk.


365 people took part in the 40k event (well, recorded at least 1 result anyway).


I know someone joked about the terrain having been delievered a couple of days before the event somewhere on dakka sometime midweek, but, i didn't expect them to actually be right.

On the plus side, atmosphere and players were pretty fantastic all weekend, despite all the confusion, eye rolling and organisational frustrations. I certainly had a good time when playing my games, but, it was the people that made them, and not the event. Whether or not i go next year is completely 50/50 at this stage, as i know i can go to better events around the country for less cost.


All of this is as expected. I listened to the Allies of Convenience episode with the organiser Zach and all I can say is that I think he's delusional. Everything he says is focused on getting a bigger event as fast as possible, and every time the host tries to bring him back to reality he dismisses it with 'we'll just work harder!' or 'maybe... but we want to be as big as Adepticon!' I have very little faith that the event will be an better run next yesr.



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As someone who worked on Adepticon staff in the early years, he couldn't be taken a more incorrect approach.

Adepticon is not successful because it is large. Adepticon is large because it is successful. The amount of weekends we put in on terrain building alone. The help we accepted from local clubs to get all of the tables up to snuff. The planning for the next year that begins almost immediately after the last box is put away from the current year.

There are lessons to take from Adepticon. "Size" is not one of them.







 
   
 
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