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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I direct you to the word 'possibly' in my statement.

I direct you to the statement right after that says it's been DEFINITELY going on for some time already, rendering the "possibly" a sarcastic statement at best.
You wrote it, yet you still choose to ignore it.

If you don't "want to create an argument" then I suggest you don't call anyone that disagrees with you children.

My only gripe was with Typhus.

Other than that I like the new DG.

Read the opening post, if not already.

I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that you DIDN'T say that gw models are for kids and FW for adults?

Did you just mean that children have only one taste and will always love what GW are doing and adults will always want what FW is doing? Any reading of it is too ridiculous yo try and figure out what you meant.

 Purifier wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I direct you to the word 'possibly' in my statement.

I direct you to the statement right after that says it's been DEFINITELY going on for some time already, rendering the "possibly" a sarcastic statement at best.
You wrote it, yet you still choose to ignore it.

If you don't "want to create an argument" then I suggest you don't call anyone that disagrees with you children.

Whilst I don't agree with what you are saying, in the interests of sticking to forum rules let us agree to disagree.



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 Purifier wrote:
I don't know what you're trying to say. Are you saying that you DIDN'T say that gw models are for kids and FW for adults?

Did you just mean that children have only one taste and will always love what GW are doing and adults will always want what FW is doing? Any reading of it is too ridiculous yo try and figure out what you meant.

That was a response to Zebio. Not your good self

Oh it's not you I was specifically mentioning, but a general issue with some of the people confused as to why Death Guard have "Unicorn Horns"

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Oh it's not you I was specifically mentioning, but a general issue with some of the people confused as to why Death Guard have "Unicorn Horns"

Quite alright. The 'My Little Unicorn' look is thematic for DG especially the Daemons.

Oh, hang on, incoming Purifier comment about how I think GW models are for kids : )

Papa Nurgle loves all who comes into his folds.



I do have some overall gripes about the poses, but the amount of nurglings and overall mutations is pleasing to me.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Oh it's not you I was specifically mentioning, but a general issue with some of the people confused as to why Death Guard have "Unicorn Horns"

Quite alright. The 'My Little Unicorn' look is thematic for DG especially the Daemons.

Oh, hang on, incoming Purifier comment about how I think GW models are for kids : )

"just for the sake of forum rules, let me just poke a stick into this beehive" is it? I didn't say that. You said that. It's quoted a few times, shouldn't be that hard to find if your memory is lacking.

 Purifier wrote:

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Each to their own I guess.

That wasn't your argument. Your argument was that only children would appreciate the childishness that is GW, while manly men and women of experience are attracted to the mature aesthetic of the FW spacemen.

To each their own is a valid argument. Trying to call anyone that likes the GW aesthetic children is... childish.

And............

(Telephone ringing) Yes, could I order one facepalm for Purifier? Why thank you.

OK, in seriousness - you disagree with an observation of mine. Not a problem at all but lets not get all Traditio here and just let opinions differ.

Cheers

Jesus christ you're childish. "*Telephone rings*"? The only thing you have as a counter argument is the kind of stuff you hear on a middle school playground? It's unsurprising that your grasp on what is considered "for kids" is so poor.

I wouldn't know. I am an adult.

Would it help if I said "My Dad is bigger than your Dad"?

Chill mate.

What do you mean "would it help," that's basically what you're doing. Just own up to the fact that what you said about one half of the fairly identical toys being for adults and the other half for children is ridiculous, instead of trying to defend it with playground tactics. Especially if you're supposed to be an adult.

I'll say that FW models normally have more realistic and less "heroic" proportions to their models. I don't think anybody can discuss that.
The argument here is, that means is something more targeted to an older audience? I'll say yes, basically coming from the impresion that the more realistic wargames, normally historical, are full with pretty old people. That means GW kits are targeted to younger audience? I'll say yes too, is obvious that GW has always try to target the teenager demographic.
That means that people that prefer FW aesthetics are more mature/adult than people that prefer GW aesthetic? No. Tastes are totally subjetive, and theres no mature/inmature in tastes.

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
He does look a bit busy, but it could be due to the little nurgling things around him? I did a quick photoshop job and he looks quite a bit better without them, maybe even better with his left fist clenched too?

I think removing the nurglings and bringing his arm down so there isn't as much 'space' would be an ideal model.

Partially won back with the plague tank and drones, they are damn nice.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I wouldn't know. I am an adult.

Would it help if I said "My Dad is bigger than your Dad"?

Chill mate.

In the interests of saving this thread you are more than welcome to PM me, if you have a beef with my views.

Please lets keep it civil, which you have done, but no need to muddy the proverbial waters.

Thanks.


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 Frozocrone wrote:

Da Mediokre Painta wrote:
He does look a bit busy, but it could be due to the little nurgling things around him? I did a quick photoshop job and he looks quite a bit better without them, maybe even better with his left fist clenched too?

I think removing the nurglings and bringing his arm down so there isn't as much 'space' would be an ideal model.

That looks better, but still no love.

If I do a DG army then I will use the DG HQ from the DI box but replace the axe with a scythe.

I'm going to have go and trying to repose his Scythe so it's the blade is towards the ground. From the sprue, the arm being held up is attached to the torso so some hacking will be required - fingers crossed.

Also I didn't think I would say it, but seeing the model without the Destroyer flies around him, it makes him look less Heroic and more like any other Blightlord.

The complaints about mono pose are two sided though.

With one side where it is expected that Death Guard will get multipose plastic kits like every army.

The other side is that historically Nurgle has only 1 kit that is multipose plastic, and that is the Plague Drones. You can adjust the wings, legs and head, but at the end of the day,
The Daemon prince, entire daemon codex (save the flies) and the past death guard minis. Even a great grip of AoS stuff is mono pose. Blightkings are extremely close to it, not mono, but more like dual pose.

Nurgle isn't like tyranids, the other organic army. Nids are bugs, bugs have sockets/joints. Nurgle is more like a slug, and its hard to have a multipose kit for a slug that is solid plastic.

So I am a little frustrated that my 6 deathshroud are effectively duplicates, and my PM may follow. However that frustration is calmed by how amazing the sculpts and detail are. I don't understand the complaints that the sculpts are too busy, because then you would just have CSM with some greenstuff (which you can still do on your own!)


I think it is amazing how often 40k players mention that something is childish or adult. All that says is that you care about being seen as childish or adult. You can dislike how the new sculpts are because they are not as hard edged and gory as the FW stuff, but you don't need to attempt to insult them and cause conflict. We all have our own preferences. You don't need to defend yours or offend others, just enjoy what you enjoy and stop fighting about it. The current minis are here and if you don't like them FW makes 30k stuff that is pretty epic. Whining wont change anything.

 NurglesR0T wrote:
I'm going to have go and trying to repose his Scythe so it's the blade is towards the ground. From the sprue, the arm being held up is attached to the torso so some hacking will be required - fingers crossed.

Also I didn't think I would say it, but seeing the model without the Destroyer flies around him, it makes him look less Heroic and more like any other Blightlord.

Re-positioning might be a bit tricky because of the way his torso fits together, far from impossible, but I'd predict a lot of care and greenstuff would be necessary!

I think he looks fine without the Destroyer hive though, here's my Typhus for reference --

I was initially excited and i was looking forward to the new DG stuff, sadly though it was a swing and a miss.

The new DG models are far too busy for my liking, and far too many of them are monopose which also puts me off.

I much prefer the FW aesthetics and as I already have most of that stuff, I have saved a load of cash this month for a change.

Hm.... does anyone have a side-by-side comparisson between the old Typhus and the new? And maybe Typhon from Forgeworld, for good measure.

On the other hand... Now that I see the basecoated work of nurgle5, the new sculpt doesn't look too bad.
I would dearly love to reposition the free arm though. Maybe put something in it too, like half a guardsman or somesuch...

That looks better, but still no love.

If I do a DG army then I will use the DG HQ from the DI box but replace the axe with a scythe.

I actually always thought the DI lord would make a good Typhus for uber cheap, personally.

And yes, Death Guard have always had elements that recalled those of Plaguebearers, including horns. (Most) critics are just too young to remember most Death Guard models. Or most metal models, probably.

 AegisGrimm wrote:

And yes, Death Guard have always had elements that recalled those of Plaguebearers, including horns. (Most) critics are just too young to remember most Death Guard models. Or most metal models, probably.

I am afraid this is an over-simplification. DG always called back the Plaguebearers (among the most unchanged daemons observing the metal>metal>plastic iteration) with the Pickelhaube and whatnot, but speaking for myself is not the spikes or the tentacles (very chaos-y) but the amount and size of such features.

Even the amount of mutations is often appropriate but some elongated spike is too disproportioned compared to the kind of "rounder" plague marine typical shape. Such design looks unfocused to me, schizophrenic if you wish. I like variation in chaos (duh) but too busy models end up masking specific features of a given model because of all the "noise".

nurgle5, would you mind letting us know the source for the head in your version? I would like to copy it because it solves my problem with the sculpt. With the original closed helm, looking up, I get the sense that Typhus could be dancing almost. With your alterations, Typhus seems to be roaring defiance or bellowing orders. It focuses the emotion of the sculpt for me.

It reminds me of the change in Ulrik the Slayer's sculpt, but reversed. Ulrik originally had the mid-swing crozius and aimed plasma pistol, but his new sculpt is at rest. I feel Ulrik would look similarly awkward if the sculptor had left the wolf skull helm on in the new sculpt, because it would be too reminiscent of the old piece.

Regards,

Zitpicker Zorn.

Zitpicker Zorn wrote:
nurgle5, would you mind letting us know the source for the head in your version? I would like to copy it because it solves my problem with the sculpt. With the original closed helm, looking up, I get the sense that Typhus could be dancing almost. With your alterations, Typhus seems to be roaring defiance or bellowing orders. It focuses the emotion of the sculpt for me.

Looks like either a Mantic or Corpse Cart zombie head.

Corpse cart zombie. Typhus looks wayyy bigger and impressive with it. Great job. Would make a great Termi Lord, because he still doesn't have the "grim and purposeful" look Typhus should have, IMO.

PS: Why is the Corpse Cart direct only :| I never get around to visit a GW and they charge a lot for shipping.

WobblyGoblin wrote:
Typhus looks really bad to me and this thread has helped me work out why. Well, not bad exactly (I can appreciate the skill in the sculpt and detail) but not like Typhus. I think it is a combination of:

- Cartoony aesthetic. All the bold lines and shapes take away from my preferred grittier style for Nurgle. I mean, who thought those flies fitted in? What are they, the size of cats!? Just out of scale and comical to boot
- Busy sculpt. Too much going on. That actually helps take away the cartoony profile a bit but 2 wrongs don't make a right...
- The pose. I was going to describe it as camp. It reminded me of a panto villain. However, as other posters have pointed out it is probably more reminiscent of 80s hair rock

Now, yes, you can leave off some details and try to carve off or sculpt over others but that's a lot of work and still leaves a weird dynamic pose. Overall the DG releases have been too comical/cartoony for me. I know Nurgle has a slight toungue in cheek cheerfulness but it is like the designers turned that up to 11 and dialled everything else down. I would have preferred the odd nod to humour (I love that grinning termie from the earlier teaser pictures, for example).

Totally agree with you on Typhus.
Wonder why i don`t like him better because glam rock is awesome.
Maybe i`ll change my mind about him in real life and with other positioning and maybe a bit converted.

Overall i love the new DG style, all that funny, overloaded models with cool details absolutely catch the nurgle flair.
Especially that nurglings are perfect for funny and friendly grandfather nurgles finest troops.

Only point is the GW paintjobs which are waaay too colourfull and comiclike.
Give them a bit more dark and "realistic" painting, add more rust effects with powder and they look really badass.