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I have been getting a lot of pushback on this. Does the first line under ""Pestilent prayers" close the loophole, or is it simpy flavor/fluff text?

"In the hero phase, the plague priest can pray for a foul disease to be unleashed upon his foes."
   
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The obvious RAI is that you can't, but RAW you can. Honestly it's a funny gimmick I would use in a casual game here and there for a bit of humor but I wouldn't do it regularly or rely on it as a strategy.

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Any recommendations for a strong pure Daemons list? Tallyband just doesn’t cut the mustard at its current cost.
   
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Can you give me a run down of what you have and/or are willing to use?


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Can you give me a run down of what you have and/or are willing to use?


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Sure: pretty much anything that actually is a Daemon! The only things I don’t have access to currently are the scrivener and the bilepiper, but I’d be willing to use them. I’ve got a mountain of plaguebearers, drones, and nurglings, as well as a couple daemon princes. I’ve also got Slimux, Rotigus, and a bell/blade GUO on the painting table. Hope that helps!
   
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Well the strongest thing you are looking at with those options is Thricefold Befoulment using Rotigus, a Bell/Blade GUO, and a either a Sword/Flail GUO or Exalted GUO. Filling the rest with plaguebearers, a drone unit & a nurgling unit.

For something more generic, take a bell/blade GUO (with witherstave) and Rotigus side-by-side as a central anchor to the army. Two blobs of 30 plaguebeareres (one on either side), one 10-man blob to fill battleline. This is going to mean you own the center of the board and the enemy more or less isn't going to move you. The rest of the army can be either 6 drones and a prince or 3 drones, a prince, 3 nurglings, and a bilepiper to sit behind the GUOs.

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Haha that’s pretty much exactly what I had in mind for pure Daemons! Currently agonising over a good way to represent the Witherstave on my GUO though, he only has two hands...

Edit: what spells do you recommend on the GUO and Rotigus?

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Sumptuous pestilence and glorious afflictions, respectively.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Sumptuous pestilence and glorious afflictions, respectively.


Interesting... I actually would’ve thought the other way around. GUO is such a wet blanket in combat with those weapons so I don’t want him close, but Rotigus is solid in combat and has an AoE mortal wound ability, so could do with being closer. Deluge is too hard to cast to hang back with him imo.
   
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You'll want them side by side with minimal gap between. Were I playing against that army and one GUO was in front with the other in back I would be relived since it means I could single out the front one and kill it before moving onto the next. Focusing/ganging up on is the only effective way to deal with a GUO, so your strategy should be based around making that as hard as possible. When they are next to each other the opponent has a much harder time devoting their full offense to either one, and putting a bit of damage on both just means you'll get to heal double since they both heal automatically & from plague wind. Further, having the witherstave up front means more enemies affected by it and giving the AoE damage spell to the pillow-fisted one means it has a way to deal damage (you can also give it the command trait that lets it deal mortal wounds in the shooting phase). Finally, Rotigus already has his own AoE spell & and AoE ability so giving him another is just a bit more of what he already has in abundance. Most games you probably won't even use Glorious Afflictions since it is a niche spell, which is fine because it lets Rotigus cast mystic shield while the other does Plague Wind + Sumptuous Pestilence.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
You'll want them side by side with minimal gap between. Were I playing against that army and one GUO was in front with the other in back I would be relived since it means I could single out the front one and kill it before moving onto the next. Focusing/ganging up on is the only effective way to deal with a GUO, so your strategy should be based around making that as hard as possible. When they are next to each other the opponent has a much harder time devoting their full offense to either one, and putting a bit of damage on both just means you'll get to heal double since they both heal automatically & from plague wind. Further, having the witherstave up front means more enemies affected by it and giving the AoE damage spell to the pillow-fisted one means it has a way to deal damage (you can also give it the command trait that lets it deal mortal wounds in the shooting phase). Finally, Rotigus already has his own AoE spell & and AoE ability so giving him another is just a bit more of what he already has in abundance. Most games you probably won't even use Glorious Afflictions since it is a niche spell, which is fine because it lets Rotigus cast mystic shield while the other does Plague Wind + Sumptuous Pestilence.


You legend. That was a massively helpful run down, thanks. I'll give it a punt for a few battles and see how I get on. Now just to get it all painted :S
   
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Happy to help!

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Hey Ninth; would you consider the Glottkin an auto-include? Maybe with a few hordes and Plague Drones in front of him.

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Really good yes, but not auto-include. For something to be auto-include it has to be useful to every kind of build, either through actual function or (more commonly) just being insanely OP. Glottkin is OP, but more OP-lite since by just throwing them into a random Nurgle list they will be merely decent/good. A big thing is that Glottkin, counter-intuitively, aren't good with a Rotbringer-focused list (I suspect this is why some people think they are average or even underpowered). Plaguebearers, Marauders, and Plague Monks are the 'holy trinity' of a Glottkin army and you will want at least one max-sized unit taken from that list. Plague Drones and/or Pusgoyles are big standouts as well.

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Hey Ninth, me again... If you were to use the Exalted, what kinda list would you recommend with him? In some ways he slots into my normal list(s) quite well, but I keep thinking I'll miss the movement buff from the Bell...
   
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With the exalted you've spent a bunch of points on him, so you don't want to over-invest in Rotbringers since you'll want some numbers. 30 plaguebearers with two blightking units for battleline works pretty well. The exalted can waddle up the center of the board next to the plaguebearers to look at the opponent and say 'move me.' While the blightking units can take advantage of not needing to be near the GUO to anchor the flanks. A drone unit to hover near the exalted for support/counter-charge is also a good choice. Something to remember when playing is that unlike a regular GUO the exalted puts out serious offense, particularly with the vomit.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
With the exalted you've spent a bunch of points on him, so you don't want to over-invest in Rotbringers since you'll want some numbers. 30 plaguebearers with two blightking units for battleline works pretty well. The exalted can waddle up the center of the board next to the plaguebearers to look at the opponent and say 'move me.' While the blightking units can take advantage of not needing to be near the GUO to anchor the flanks. A drone unit to hover near the exalted for support/counter-charge is also a good choice. Something to remember when playing is that unlike a regular GUO the exalted puts out serious offense, particularly with the vomit.


Yeh that's definitely a good shout. Tbh I was intending to run two big Plaguebearer blobs with him, at least for the moment, as that's what I've currently got painted. I'll still run the Drone/DP combo too, and maybe a Poxbringer if I have the points. I'll miss the bonus move, but I'm hoping the impressive damage will make up for it.
   
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Be sure to add a rotbringer sorcerer or festus to cast blades of putrefaction on the plageboi blob if you intend to use the EGUO command ability on them!
   
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 Sal4m4nd3r wrote:
Be sure to add a rotbringer sorcerer or festus to cast blades of putrefaction on the plageboi blob if you intend to use the EGUO command ability on them!
This is an extremely good point I overlooked.

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Hey been reading this thread, finding it super interesting.

I'm just starting AoS bought the maggotkin book and a start collecting demons box so far. Without having any game time of my own im struggling to get a list together to work towards, any chance of some feedback?

Allegiance: Chaos

Leaders
The Glottkin (420)
- General
- Lore of Malignance: Rancid Visitations
- Lore of Foulness: Magnificent Buboes
Sorcerer (120)
- Lore of Malignance: Blades of Putrefaction
- Lore of Foulness: Magnificent Buboes
Festus The Leechlord (140)
- Lore of Malignance: Gift of Contagion
- Lore of Foulness: Cloying Quagmire
Lord of Blights (140)
Harbinger of Decay (160)
- Artefact: The Witherstave

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline

Battalions
Blight Cyst (220)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 134

My rough plan is to give the plague bearers fleshy abundance and have them screen for my blightkings till i get near combat throw some severed heads in and charge/counter charge.
   
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Well first off you only get one Nurgle spell on a character, not one from each lore. You are also investing a lot of points into heroes--probably too much. I would swap the sorcerer for a poxbringer and give him the witherstave, then drop the harbinger entirely for some objective campers. One unit of nurglings and one unit of marauders would work well.

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Hello guys,
just joined the forum, been lurking in there for quite some time. i simply loved the last thread about Nurgle and i love this one too. i played only Nurgle in all my aos experience ^^ got amazed by the new tome.

I wanted to hear your opinion about a couple of things:
1) how do you feel blight cyst? while i think it is really strong , i also feel that i miss the resilience of 'plaguetouched warband lists. also the huge point "waste" (360) in total is impactful in the game.
2) how would you build a blight cyst list? (this is the point i am struggling the most as i always run out of points).

i had this idea:

glottkin, rancid visitations
gutrot
lob, rustfang
sorcerer, blades, muttergrub

30 plaguebearers
4*5 blightkings
blight cyst

i personally wanted a more mortal heavy approach to the list but i always feel i am lacking numbers to capture objective with (last time i tried with 30 kings, harby, lob, loa, festus, gutrot).
since i am sure 99% that plaguetouched will be nerfed in gh18 i wanted to find an alternative in order to not rebuild my entire army once again ^^.

thx for your time and sorry for my english (not my main language) ^^ .
   
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Oh right sorry, the online warscroll builder threw me :')

How about this then? got some more blightkings and took spume to have them come in from a board edge.

Leaders
The Glottkin (420)
- General
- Lore of Malignance: Blades of Putrefaction
Lord of Blights (140)
- Artefact: Rustfang
Gutrot Spume (140)
Poxbringer Herald of Nurgle (120)
- Artefact: The Witherstave
- Lore of Virulence: Favoured Poxes

Battleline
10 x Putrid Blightkings (320)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)

Battalions
Blight Cyst (220)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 147

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Shadowgra wrote:
Hello guys,
just joined the forum, been lurking in there for quite some time. i simply loved the last thread about Nurgle and i love this one too. i played only Nurgle in all my aos experience ^^ got amazed by the new tome.

I wanted to hear your opinion about a couple of things:
1) how do you feel blight cyst? while i think it is really strong , i also feel that i miss the resilience of 'plaguetouched warband lists. also the huge point "waste" (360) in total is impactful in the game.
2) how would you build a blight cyst list? (this is the point i am struggling the most as i always run out of points).

i had this idea:

glottkin, rancid visitations
gutrot
lob, rustfang
sorcerer, blades, muttergrub

30 plaguebearers
4*5 blightkings
blight cyst

i personally wanted a more mortal heavy approach to the list but i always feel i am lacking numbers to capture objective with (last time i tried with 30 kings, harby, lob, loa, festus, gutrot).
since i am sure 99% that plaguetouched will be nerfed in gh18 i wanted to find an alternative in order to not rebuild my entire army once again ^^.

thx for your time and sorry for my english (not my main language) ^^ .
Blight cyst falls into the category of 'OP because the units in it are' that a number of otherwise balanced battalions do. It isn't as nasty as plaguetouched but it's entirely worth the cost. The list you have there is a reasonably good way to run it, assuming the idea is Glottkin+Blight Cyst. Objectives/numbers could be a problem but that's a downside that can be compensated for during the game.


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Oh right sorry, the online warscroll builder threw me :')

How about this then? got some more blightkings and took spume to have them come in from a board edge.

Leaders
The Glottkin (420)
- General
- Lore of Malignance: Blades of Putrefaction
Lord of Blights (140)
- Artefact: Rustfang
Gutrot Spume (140)
Poxbringer Herald of Nurgle (120)
- Artefact: The Witherstave
- Lore of Virulence: Favoured Poxes

Battleline
10 x Putrid Blightkings (320)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
- Nurgle Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)

Battalions
Blight Cyst (220)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 147
This is much better, Spume gives you outflanking capacity to compensate for the lack of any mobile elements. You still may have issues with objectives but with this you are in a position to compensate for that with good gameplay.

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Any tips for using Nurglings? I wanna give them a try out but I don’t really know how to actually use them on the field!
   
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So I'm looking to buy either the Glottkin or a GUO. Any recommendations?

Right now I have:
- Lord of Plagues
- Sorcerer
- Poxbringer
- 5x Blightkings
- 5x Blightkings
- 30 Plaguebearer
- 3 Plague Drones
- 3 Nurglings
- 3 Nurglings



 
   
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GUO for the bell.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
GUO for the bell.

Yeah, I thought that the bell is just too good to miss out on. Thanks.



 
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well first off you only get one Nurgle spell on a character, not one from each lore. You are also investing a lot of points into heroes--probably too much. I would swap the sorcerer for a poxbringer and give him the witherstave, then drop the harbinger entirely for some objective campers. One unit of nurglings and one unit of marauders would work well.


Actually, if they word it the same way as Disciples of Tzeentch, one lore is available for every MORTAL to take a spell from, and the other lore is for every DAEMON to take a spell from. Wording in Disciples has it so if a character is DAEMON and MORTAL, they can actually take one spell from each lore. I don't have my Maggotkin book with me, so I don't know if the wording is the same. But if it just says "MORTALS can know one spell from this lore" and "Daemons can know one spell from this lore", then he can do both! I think the Glottkin is MORTAL and DAEMON. So...be prepared for that. It's 100% RAW (at least in DoT book; suspect the same in MoN book).

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Well first off you only get one Nurgle spell on a character, not one from each lore. You are also investing a lot of points into heroes--probably too much. I would swap the sorcerer for a poxbringer and give him the witherstave, then drop the harbinger entirely for some objective campers. One unit of nurglings and one unit of marauders would work well.


Actually, if they word it the same way as Disciples of Tzeentch, one lore is available for every MORTAL to take a spell from, and the other lore is for every DAEMON to take a spell from. Wording in Disciples has it so if a character is DAEMON and MORTAL, they can actually take one spell from each lore. I don't have my Maggotkin book with me, so I don't know if the wording is the same. But if it just says "MORTALS can know one spell from this lore" and "Daemons can know one spell from this lore", then he can do both! I think the Glottkin is MORTAL and DAEMON. So...be prepared for that. It's 100% RAW (at least in DoT book; suspect the same in MoN book).

No, it's explained very clearly on page 66.
Each wizard in a nurgle army also knows one spell from one of the Lores of Nurgle.[...] (if they qualify for more than one table, pick which one to use)
   
 
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