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Yodhrin wrote: Really? I always find it weird when fans appreciate being slagged off by the products they pay for. I mean, nobody should expect these shows and the people who make them to lick your feet or anything, but the snotty, petulant, beret-wearing artiste sentiment that often underlies "commentary on fandom" from creatives isn't appealing IMO.
Roughly 2 weeks age, Kate Welch was announced as a new member to the Dungeons & Dragons team. She was pretty much immediately harassed by various vocal aspects of the D&D fandom for being unsuitable and unqualified. Something no male team members seems to have suffered.
Sometimes fandom deserves a kick in the butt.
Agreed.
It's great when you like a thing. It's also great when you appreciate the people who make the thing. But actual fandom is more like fanaticism. It's often toxic and it's often the worst. Look at the Fandom of Rick and Morty. Harassing a bunch of teenagers who work at McDonalds because a sauce that hasn't existed for 20 years wasn't available. Fandom is the worst.
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Yodhrin wrote: Really? I always find it weird when fans appreciate being slagged off by the products they pay for. I mean, nobody should expect these shows and the people who make them to lick your feet or anything, but the snotty, petulant, beret-wearing artiste sentiment that often underlies "commentary on fandom" from creatives isn't appealing IMO.
Roughly 2 weeks age, Kate Welch was announced as a new member to the Dungeons & Dragons team. She was pretty much immediately harassed by various vocal aspects of the D&D fandom for being unsuitable and unqualified. Something no male team members seems to have suffered.
Sometimes fandom deserves a kick in the butt.
Then confront that behaviour directly, rather than putting snide asides that often tar a huge chunk of people who did no such thing with the same brush as your supposed targets into the products people are paying for.
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timetowaste85 wrote: Anyone watch Batman: Gotham by Gaslight? Victorian style Batman vs Jack the Ripper? Digital release yesterday, I’m waiting for a hard copy.
I just finished watching Gotham By Gaslight.
It's... ok. Certainly better than Batman and Harley Quinn.
I kind of feel it falls apart by the end though, though that might just be me.
I just read the wikipedia article and it basically takes elements from both the original book and its sequel but aside from some set pieces and the fact it's "Batman VS Jack The Ripper" it's essentially a new story.
So yeah, overall, it's... ok. I certainly wouldn't describe purchasing it as money well spent but now that I have it, I'm not going to get rid of it.
Oh, and the bonus episodes, they were super lazy with, of the two episodes they have in it. One, is a repeat of an episode in "Justice League Dark" and the other is a repeat from "Son of Batman."
So, meh... Fingers crossed for the new Suicide Squad animated movie.
This is why I largely no longer consider myself a "fan" in the traditional sense for anything. To me being a fan just means I like it, but the "fandom" that surrounds things often has so much disgusting bile swirling in with all the fun that I can't consider myself a part of it.
I don't know. Fanatical fan seems oxymoronic, and if we distinguish between generic casual fandom of interest in a subject and learning a fictional language so you can have full conversations in Klingon the later seems pretty fanatical
LordofHats wrote: I don't know. Fanatical fan seems oxymoronic, and if we distinguish between generic casual fandom of interest in a subject and learning a fictional language so you can have full conversations in Klingon the later seems pretty fanatical
Yep and that's the wonder of the English language it's bloody insane.
Those Klingon speakers would definitely be fanatical fans
LordofHats wrote: I don't know. Fanatical fan seems oxymoronic, and if we distinguish between generic casual fandom of interest in a subject and learning a fictional language so you can have full conversations in Klingon the later seems pretty fanatical
Yep and that's the wonder of the English language it's bloody insane.
Those Klingon speakers would definitely be fanatical fans
Yeah. So who would you call a member of the Fandom? The guy who watched the tv show/movies? Or the ones who dress up in costumes and learn languages?
On the subject, il be watching gotham by gaslight tonight. Excited.
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No one is talking about people who watch and enjoy Star Trek when talking about Trekies. They're talking about people who really, really, watch and enjoy Star Trek. It's kind of this weird thing where saying "I'm a fan of ______" means you enjoy it, but when other people talk about "_____ fans" they're not really talking about people with general interest but the kind of people who make kick ass costumes and are maybe at times a bit too committed.
Watched Justice League Dark the other night. Nice to have Matt Ryan as Constantine, and the final fight was pretty cool, but otherwise it was very short and had to cram a lot of stuff in there to make us understand it all.
Plus Batman was there to stand around and sell copies.
I dunno, Batman has some great stuff in JLD. Particularly
Spoiler:
the first scene with Orchid.
'How do you deal with so much darkness inside you?'
'I have a butler.'
To be fair though, I really like Jason O'Mara's Batman in pretty much all the stuff he's been in, he does that deadpan humour so well (though obviously not quite as well as Conroy, but that's a given).
I see your point about these films being a little short though, that's a common issue and I'd happily still watch them at 90 minutes a piece rather than 75. The Judas Contract ran to 85 and was certainly able to flesh things out a little more.
I think Gotham By Gaslight is the best batman movie to date. It was real dark. There was a good mystery. He was a detective. Didn't use guns, didn't kill, didn't drink.
By the last 1/2 of the movie me and my friend were trying to figure out who the killer was ourselves.
Great movie.
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They have, but it's a pretty dreadful adaptation. A new take on such an iconic story is most welcome, I think. This could be to Superman what the two-part The Dark Knight Returns movie is to Batman.
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Most of death of superman is so bogged down in characters and events over the previous couple years that that comic is confusing as feth to most people.
It has cloned australian kid lex luther with his amazing mop of red hair.
And white goop supergirl.
I dont think death of superman is iconic anything. I guess it has an iconic cover. And black suit mullet superman when he eventually came back was pretty good.
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I never really looked at comics during the original series. - All I really had back then was The Beano and Oor Wullie.
But from watching various shows about it, it seems to me that the problem was never really about the death of Superman. It was about all the stuff that came after it. The shenanigans with a bajillion clones, the Eradicator and so on.
If they simplify the Rebirth *right* down, it could be doable (to be honest I liked the Justice League movies approach to that). - Though I'm guessing that's another 2 years away anyway, it looks like this film is literally just about the death.
In other news, apparently the new Suicide Squad animated movie is really good, but with the big problematic issue being that DC didn't bother to credit or involve Gail Simone, who wrote the original story the movie is based on...
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I feel like before you make a good "Death of" movie, you really need to make a good.... "Life Of..." movie. I really liked Superman vs. the Elite; but I can not think of another really compelling Superman (animated) film.
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Unbound is really good, based on the excellent Superman: Braniac by Geoff Johns. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies has some great Superman stuff, and of course there's JL:TAS which has tons of good Superman stories.
I don't think so. Doomsday is a bad guys everyone knows and nobody really likes who exists solely for the purpose of punching the gak out of superman. Nobody else can remember anything else from that story. Can anyone think of a single iconic image from that comic besides the ripped cape in the pile of rubble or louis holding dead superman?
It's a lot like Death in the Family for Batman except THAT comic at least has the super memorable bit where joker beats him with a crowbar and then blows up the building. But does anyone remember that most of the story is about Joker selling WMDs to terrorists in the middle east? Or even that Joker lured Jason Todd into the warehouse to do that by making him think his mother was alive and captured? Nope! Because in every adaptation since the original comic they cut out 90% of it because it's utter nonsense.
Except Death of Superman isn't 90% nonsense. it's 100% nonsense besides a single panel and a cover image. It's some of the WORST excesses of 90s comics.
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I'm not sure the imagery of the Death of Superman being the main iconic thing in the comic called "The Death of Superman" is a strong a criticism as you think...
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely certain all the stuff afterwards is as terrible as I've heard (it was certainly true of Knightfall) . But they're not dealing with that in this movie (and I have reservations how they deal with that in the next 2 parts of the trilogy they mentioned in the video).
But to be honest, the concepts of the movie shown in that video seem sound to me.
As a sidenote, Death In The Family, who could forget the segment of Joker in the UK and how he got there?
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Compel wrote: I'm not sure the imagery of the Death of Superman being the main iconic thing in the comic called "The Death of Superman" is a strong a criticism as you think...
Don't get me wrong, I am absolutely certain all the stuff afterwards is as terrible as I've heard (it was certainly true of Knightfall) . But they're not dealing with that in this movie (and I have reservations how they deal with that in the next 2 parts of the trilogy they mentioned in the video).
But to be honest, the concepts of the movie shown in that video seem sound to me.
As a sidenote, Death In The Family, who could forget the segment of Joker in the UK and how he got there?
I'm not talking about the Reign of the Supermen. I am talking about the actual story of Death of Superman. The ACTUAL Death of Superman story is 100% nonsense. There are zero iconic moments in it. The main bits about people finding doomsday in his green onesy underground and him going bezerk and all that is a very small part of the DoS story. There is a LOT in that comic and it's all very confusing and requires you to know a lot of crap that was going on in the DC universe for the couple years leading up to it.
It's like how the animated movie changed Under the Red Hood to be "Jason Todd is alive again because Ras Al'gule used a lazarus pit" instead of "superboy prime punched reality". One of those has become central to a really good story. The original comic story is founded on total fething bs that people still make fun of. But at least everything AFTER superboy prime punched reality is pretty iconic and good so they had a strong basis to build the movie around.
But again, DoS has no big moments. No iconic lines. No interesting villain. Nobodys pulling the strings. It's, from page 1 to page last, a really bad book. Supergirl is a white goop monster who gets punched into white goop because this was back when they had a hard line rule that superman was the only kryptonian. Asutralian Lex Luther is running about being all weird. There is a lot of really just... awful 90s comics stuff in that story. Including Doomsday himself. Just... what a terrible bad guy. No personality. No motivation. It's just a Hulk who 90's eXtreme so he's like Hulk to the MAX! But THIS time without the personality or dilemma! Reign of the supermen is actually MORE interesting because of people like Steel and Cyborg Superman (the red and blue lighting supermen less so) who do cool stuff. DoS was garbage and is garbage.
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