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2018/02/16 08:50:56
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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 An Actual Englishman wrote:Lol i can just imagine the IoM propaganda on this;
- They're not gods, just interdimensional beings that are immortal and really, really powerful.
- That's not a daemon you fool! Clearly it's just a smaller interdimensional being that phases in and put of existence!
- Daemonic possession? Idiot! It's clearly an interdimensional parasite that feeds off the thoughts of its host and can merge with them.
- Is it magic or the application of the forces of another realm to create otherwise impossible effects in the real world?
Out of interest has GW ever confirmed one way or another or are they leaving it suitably vague? I kinda like the idea that the Chaos gods are both entities of another realm and gods in their own right. It kinda makes them more chaotic.
Back on topic I don't understand why the Custodes are all non psykers when they were made of the same stuff as the most powerful psyker in humanity's history?
Those points about the Chaos powers and psychic powers/magic is a valid view of the universe. Where the Imperial Truth failed in the Great Crusade was in trying to deny the existence of such things to the wider populace, for fear that faced with sufficiently powerful entities many people would fall down in worship. Given how many cults there are in the Imperium, to warp entities or to aliens, arguably their view of humanity's susceptibility to worship any powerful figure was arguably right. The Eldae built their civilization on the basis of psychic energy being another force that can be manipulated in reproducible reliable fashion.
The Custodes are not psychic because they were engineered that way as part of the process that made them Custodes. They got that save against mortal wounds from psychic powers (explained as the powers inexplicably flickering out). Perhaps the process rechannels the latent psychic ability of the aspirant into that psychic resistance. Rather than manipulating warp energies externally maybe the process makes them like "physical adepts" to use a Shadowrun term, channeling their magic through their bodies. Eldar exarchs similarly achieve some of their powers through psychic energy yet are not considered psykers.
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2018/02/16 09:32:03
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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An Actual Englishman wrote:
Back on topic I don't understand why the Custodes are all non psykers when they were made of the same stuff as the most powerful psyker in humanity's history?
Because the sculpt for the Custodes Librarian wasn't ready yet.
They'll have psykers by next Christmas. 
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2018/02/16 09:43:59
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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 Kid_Kyoto wrote: An Actual Englishman wrote:
Back on topic I don't understand why the Custodes are all non psykers when they were made of the same stuff as the most powerful psyker in humanity's history?
Because the sculpt for the Custodes Librarian wasn't ready yet.
They'll have psykers by next Christmas.
I've actually worked it out. Of course they're all psykers but they're channeling the entirety of their psychic might into making their armour EXTRA gold. 
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2018/02/22 01:41:46
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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After watching Text to Speech I think I know why Custodes don't like SM...
:cue edgy dance mix
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2018/02/22 14:43:28
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Iracundus wrote: An Actual Englishman wrote:Lol i can just imagine the IoM propaganda on this;
- They're not gods, just interdimensional beings that are immortal and really, really powerful.
- That's not a daemon you fool! Clearly it's just a smaller interdimensional being that phases in and put of existence!
- Daemonic possession? Idiot! It's clearly an interdimensional parasite that feeds off the thoughts of its host and can merge with them.
- Is it magic or the application of the forces of another realm to create otherwise impossible effects in the real world?
Out of interest has GW ever confirmed one way or another or are they leaving it suitably vague? I kinda like the idea that the Chaos gods are both entities of another realm and gods in their own right. It kinda makes them more chaotic.
Back on topic I don't understand why the Custodes are all non psykers when they were made of the same stuff as the most powerful psyker in humanity's history?
Those points about the Chaos powers and psychic powers/magic is a valid view of the universe. Where the Imperial Truth failed in the Great Crusade was in trying to deny the existence of such things to the wider populace, for fear that faced with sufficiently powerful entities many people would fall down in worship. Given how many cults there are in the Imperium, to warp entities or to aliens, arguably their view of humanity's susceptibility to worship any powerful figure was arguably right. The Eldae built their civilization on the basis of psychic energy being another force that can be manipulated in reproducible reliable fashion.
The Custodes are not psychic because they were engineered that way as part of the process that made them Custodes. They got that save against mortal wounds from psychic powers (explained as the powers inexplicably flickering out). Perhaps the process rechannels the latent psychic ability of the aspirant into that psychic resistance. Rather than manipulating warp energies externally maybe the process makes them like "physical adepts" to use a Shadowrun term, channeling their magic through their bodies. Eldar exarchs similarly achieve some of their powers through psychic energy yet are not considered psykers.
Also Emperor made them, they have his, himself in them so cannot be corrupted by chaos, or at least very protected from.
it could be a hangover of there emparor orogins that they have a latent defense vs Psyker attack.
of course as designed alongside sisters of silence in battle, well there weakness is covered by sisters. they Null, Custodes are ultimate warriors
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2018/02/22 15:17:46
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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I think it's more about their motivations. Instead of desiring power for themselves they're designed to only want to protect the Emperor and his plans, and where those are antithetical to those of the Dark Powers and their daemons they're incorruptible. There's a passage in the Master of Mankind where a daemon doesn't even try to possess a Custodes because it would take thousands of years to do so. Presumably because they'd only be corruptible once all that remains of their original purpose was erased.
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2018/02/22 16:10:16
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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Nurglitch wrote:I think it's more about their motivations. Instead of desiring power for themselves they're designed to only want to protect the Emperor and his plans, and where those are antithetical to those of the Dark Powers and their daemons they're incorruptible. There's a passage in the Master of Mankind where a daemon doesn't even try to possess a Custodes because it would take thousands of years to do so. Presumably because they'd only be corruptible once all that remains of their original purpose was erased.
I still think there genetic link to emparor may also provide extra protection. Ie they have in them, a tiny slice of him, that helps render then unwelcome hosts for the deamon and warp powers.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2018/02/22 16:31:51
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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An Actual Englishman wrote:Lol i can just imagine the IoM propaganda on this;
- They're not gods, just interdimensional beings that are immortal and really, really powerful.
- That's not a daemon you fool! Clearly it's just a smaller interdimensional being that phases in and put of existence!
- Daemonic possession? Idiot! It's clearly an interdimensional parasite that feeds off the thoughts of its host and can merge with them.
- Is it magic or the application of the forces of another realm to create otherwise impossible effects in the real world?
That’s pretty much exactly how the empiricist Fabius Bile sees them, so yeah.
An Actual Englishman wrote:Out of interest has GW ever confirmed one way or another or are they leaving it suitably vague? I kinda like the idea that the Chaos gods are both entities of another realm and gods in their own right. It kinda makes them more chaotic.
What do you mean by ‘gods in their own right’? We, the readers, know more-or-less definitively what Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch are: embodiments of sentient beings’ desires that have acquired some form of awareness. We also know what they are not: they didn’t create the universe, they don’t judge the dead (though they may well eat them),and they are not all-powerful.
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2018/02/22 17:18:29
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 Grimgold wrote:If My recollections of the HH books are correct, they didn't particularly like/trust them before the HH ethier.
Right.
They are the Emperor's protector. It is their job to protect Him from any threat, foreign, xenos, neverborn, or domestic. They give no feths about being rude. They answer ONLY to the Emperor, and they bow only to the Emperor (the last part is from The Master of Mankind novel).
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2018/02/22 20:08:51
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Keeper of the Holy Orb of Antioch
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 kronk wrote: Grimgold wrote:If My recollections of the HH books are correct, they didn't particularly like/trust them before the HH ethier.
Right.
They are the Emperor's protector. It is their job to protect Him from any threat, foreign, xenos, neverborn, or domestic. They give no feths about being rude. They answer ONLY to the Emperor, and they bow only to the Emperor (the last part is from The Master of Mankind novel).
Yeah, they can not even be ordered via a inquisitor lord, or anyone but the emparor or own.
They also have his personal authority in old fluff and right to kill anyone they see fit.
They give no feths to anyone but the emparor.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all. |
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2018/02/22 20:35:32
Subject: Re:What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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they still have the authority to pretty much do as they want. Th Custodes alone are above ALL Law, save that of the Emperor's direct command
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2018/02/26 06:16:33
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:I base my assessment on the fact they've not been mentioned in any context in... 20 years?
Funnily enough I'm pretty sure I remember a regimental standard article mentioning them. Of course that's just a joke article but it was good for a laugh at least. I think it was the one that talks about the different types of Inquisitors
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2018/02/26 09:16:21
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Nurglitch wrote:I think it's more about their motivations. Instead of desiring power for themselves they're designed to only want to protect the Emperor and his plans, and where those are antithetical to those of the Dark Powers and their daemons they're incorruptible. There's a passage in the Master of Mankind where a daemon doesn't even try to possess a Custodes because it would take thousands of years to do so. Presumably because they'd only be corruptible once all that remains of their original purpose was erased.
The reason I'm always skeptical of the incorruptibility of Custodes is...how many other things have the Imperium designed that work entirely as intended?
Especially when it comes to genetic engineering...
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2018/02/26 09:29:37
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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 Ynneadwraith wrote:Nurglitch wrote:I think it's more about their motivations. Instead of desiring power for themselves they're designed to only want to protect the Emperor and his plans, and where those are antithetical to those of the Dark Powers and their daemons they're incorruptible. There's a passage in the Master of Mankind where a daemon doesn't even try to possess a Custodes because it would take thousands of years to do so. Presumably because they'd only be corruptible once all that remains of their original purpose was erased.
The reason I'm always skeptical of the incorruptibility of Custodes is...how many other things have the Imperium designed that work entirely as intended?
Especially when it comes to genetic engineering...
in this case all of em, something about the emperor's own DNA does seem to make you resistant to the warp
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2018/02/26 15:20:26
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
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2018/02/26 20:25:50
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
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2018/02/27 08:53:09
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
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2018/02/27 09:28:15
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
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2018/02/27 09:53:39
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Ynneadwraith wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
I feel I can do better than test tube fathers but didnt want to put test tube baby daddy in
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2018/02/27 16:24:00
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche
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Fridge_Opener wrote:
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Stupid Magnus doesn't know how to send a @#$%ing text message.
Had to get all fancy-smanshy with his SorSor-E app.
"But dad no one texts anymore! SorSor-E lets me send pics, emojis and even live video!"
"Leman go take away his iphone will you!"
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2018/02/27 20:59:37
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Basic parenting would have stopped at least three Primarchs going traitor. Even without that the Emperors big plan was pretty stupid.
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2018/03/01 13:06:57
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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Ynneadwraith wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
It was not really his fault though. Chaos kidnapped the Primarchs before the project was completed.
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2018/03/01 18:14:52
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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 Iron_Captain wrote: Ynneadwraith wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
It was not really his fault though. Chaos kidnapped the Primarchs before the project was completed.
to be fair, big E did do something to piss them off.
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2018/03/02 08:25:48
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Seeing marines started killing each other just as planned not really.
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2018/03/02 09:47:56
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Iron_Captain wrote: Ynneadwraith wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
It was not really his fault though. Chaos kidnapped the Primarchs before the project was completed.
Which was a setback, which the Emperor handled incredibly poorly (and may have cause himself by bargaining with the Gods in the primarch's creation).
It's one of the best things about his character. For all his might and intelligence, he had some glaring character faults...
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2018/03/02 17:11:33
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fixture of Dakka
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Ynneadwraith wrote: Iron_Captain wrote: Ynneadwraith wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:pm713 wrote:Fridge_Opener wrote:Custodes know that marines ruined the imperium and as a result can never be trusted and deserve to die and view them as "their natural prey".
Big E ruined things. Marines were just the tool he did it with.
Nah man The Emperor was on the cusp of succeeding when through artifice and ineptitude the marines and their failed test tube fathers ruined it all.
Test-tube fathers the Emperor fethed up...
It was not really his fault though. Chaos kidnapped the Primarchs before the project was completed.
Which was a setback, which the Emperor handled incredibly poorly (and may have cause himself by bargaining with the Gods in the primarch's creation).
It's one of the best things about his character. For all his might and intelligence, he had some glaring character faults...
The issue is they're ridiculous character faults compared to how he's portrayed.
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2018/03/02 17:17:32
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Everytime someone mentions Malcadors boast that the heresy was planned, I can't help but think of the All according to plan trope. Considering how he iced the thunder warriors the second they were no longer useful though, I suppose a plan to kill the space marines in a similar manner isn't too out of character for him.
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2018/03/02 17:24:46
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fixture of Dakka
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It's not but the Heresy is not that plan. At a conceptual level it's terrible.
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2018/03/02 17:46:10
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It might have worked if the emperor wasn't outplayed by tzeentch, with a human webway the loyalist legions would have had a huge advantage over the traitor legions, and then the custodes and Solar auxilia could have made sure the loyalist chapters also had a glorious last battle against the traitor legions.
The question is what does he do with the primarchs, they are way too dangerous to let live, and far too capable to assume they would all just kill each other.
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2018/03/02 17:59:28
Subject: What do custodes know about marines that the rest of us don't?
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Fixture of Dakka
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They'd be at a huge disadvantage as the Eldar destroy them in travel. That's the problem with the Webway project it forgets Eldar exist and that invading the Webway is probably the best way of unifying them.
The damaged ones like Angron get sent into a battle against a threat they can't beat along with some Custodes and they die. Ones like Girlyman become administrators and ones like Russ lead the army.
If you really want to kill off the Legions which is probably a bad idea then you don't instigate a civil war to do it.
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