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I think the Benards are the only time we’ve actually seen spare bodies on hand though. I don’t think spare bodies has even been mentioned that I recall, they always just repair the existing ones and send them back out. It’s why Maeve was able to dig a bullet from a previous death out of her gut.

 
   
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Yes but presumably there are occasions when the damage to a Host chassis is so catastrophic that it becomes necessary to transfer them to an entirely new chassis. Such as amputation, beheading, complete destruction of the head (and therefore the "brain" control unit).

Such as that Host who gets his brains blown out by Maeve in the Saloon in the Pilot episode.

When that happens, they will probably need a replacement. Assuming that the Host personality is important enough to warrant replacing with a direct copy, and not just retired altogether and replaced with a new Host.

EDIT:
Now I'm going to refute my own point.

Maybe you're right and Bernard is a special case. Ford was trying to recreate Arnold's personality in a roundabout indirect way (creating a new identity not telling the host that its a copy of Arnold, but over time moulding the personality to resemble Arnold).

Perhaps the multiple copies of Bernard exist so he can be replaced with a new iteration everytime he begins to go nuts and break down like the many copies of James Delos? Ford was essentially running the same experiment that Delos and William were running on James Delos.

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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Yes but presumably there are occasions when the damage to a Host chassis is so catastrophic that it becomes necessary to transfer them to an entirely new chassis. Such as amputation, beheading, complete destruction of the head (and therefore the "brain" control unit).

Such as that Host who gets his brains blown out by Maeve in the Saloon in the Pilot episode.

When that happens, they will probably need a replacement. Assuming that the Host personality is important enough to warrant replacing with a direct copy, and not just retired altogether and replaced with a new Host.


I had assumed they had backups of "main host cast" for the same reasons - they have the mind backed up so it depends if its easier to rebuild a new one from scratch or update the features on another.

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I don’t think there are spares. Otherwise they wouldn’t need to replace hosts with new characters when one’s programming goes bad. They could just pop a new mind into one of the spare bodies so. That way your guests don’t see weird casting changes half way thru their trip. We’ve also never seen a host mind occupy a body other than its own, with the exception of Bernard in the computer and then Ford hitching a ride.

 
   
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Well, I won't lie.

I definitely had to read an episode summary this morning to wrap my head around what I watched last night.

Last season had me wanting a season 2, this season I think I would've preferred am Ex Machina-esque ending to cap off the the whole thing.

After credits scenes are in TV shows now!?

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Yeah, nothing to talk about after that one. LOL.

Regarding the post-credits scene:

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I *think* we have the answer as to whether William was or wasn't. The answer is...YES. The jumping around in William's backstory was a clue. But the events we saw were historical, just being relived over and over by synthetic William. I don't want to say 'host' William because this episode underlined that there's a difference between the hosts invented for the park and a human consciousness in a synthetic body.

I think we can assume it's a more distant future. And the interviewer testing for fidelity *appears* to be a host and not a synthetic Emily, just because she says 'William' and not 'Dad'. So are the biological humans dead at this time? Are they attempting to 'bring back' the human race?

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 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, nothing to talk about after that one. LOL.

Regarding the post-credits scene:

Spoiler:
I *think* we have the answer as to whether William was or wasn't. The answer is...YES. The jumping around in William's backstory was a clue. But the events we saw were historical, just being relived over and over by synthetic William. I don't want to say 'host' William because this episode underlined that there's a difference between the hosts invented for the park and a human consciousness in a synthetic body.

I think we can assume it's a more distant future. And the interviewer testing for fidelity *appears* to be a host and not a synthetic Emily, just because she says 'William' and not 'Dad'. So are the biological humans dead at this time? Are they attempting to 'bring back' the human race?


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 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, nothing to talk about after that one. LOL.

Regarding the post-credits scene:

Spoiler:
I *think* we have the answer as to whether William was or wasn't. The answer is...YES. The jumping around in William's backstory was a clue. But the events we saw were historical, just being relived over and over by synthetic William. I don't want to say 'host' William because this episode underlined that there's a difference between the hosts invented for the park and a human consciousness in a synthetic body.

I think we can assume it's a more distant future. And the interviewer testing for fidelity *appears* to be a host and not a synthetic Emily, just because she says 'William' and not 'Dad'. So are the biological humans dead at this time? Are they attempting to 'bring back' the human race?


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Bring them back for X reason is my guess.


Yeah, could be. In fact, I think I hope that's the case, and that...

Spoiler:
...it's established that humans are needed/valuable/deserving of life, because right now the show's commentary on humanity is bleaker than ever. We're murderous, duplicitous, greedy, and incapable of real change. Ooooooookay, then. It's like we're supposed to be rooting for Dolores to wipe us out, even given that she's a crazed, hate-filled murderbot.

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we were kinda alright with it unitl the post credits scene and then we were confused - going - what but when? and Huh?

Is everything a similulation - how many layers of reality are we talking.

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On one level it "seems" Dolores escaped, sent the Hosts "somewhere else" which seemed odd, and Meave and co could be revived by their tech friends in a new Westworld to keep the show going both there and for us.

On the other hand this all could be a simulation as William seems to think its all played out before.

Dolores had her bag of hosts - Dad and? Maybe Angela (just cos Ms Riley) but no idea who else?


I did even wonder at one point if any of this is on Earth

ok so read this and helped

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/westworld-season-2-finale-explained-lisa-joy-season-3-1122744

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Yeah, I didn’t care for the finale in general. Too much seemingly random contrivences.

 
   
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 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, while that was a fun watch, it sure felt like a series, not a season, finale.


Really? I thought it opened up tons of possibilities.

(spoiler about next season from the showrunners)

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The showrunners said in an interview that they'll spend a lot of time next season (but not all the time) outside the park.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, while that was a fun watch, it sure felt like a series, not a season, finale.


Really? I thought it opened up tons of possibilities.
I mean, it did, but
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it felt very much in a "sequel" way, as in, the story of Westworld was closed or sidelined, maybe now it will be Futureworld or Cyberworld or something. If the show ended now, most everyone had their story wrapped up in some way, whatever comes next is an entirely different story and phase of existence for each of the characters that need no longer necessarily be directly connected.


(spoiler about next season from the showrunners)

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The showrunners said in an interview that they'll spend a lot of time next season (but not all the time) outside the park.
Yeah, I would expect that for sure.

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 Vaktathi wrote:
 gorgon wrote:
 Vaktathi wrote:
Well, while that was a fun watch, it sure felt like a series, not a season, finale.


Really? I thought it opened up tons of possibilities.
I mean, it did, but
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it felt very much in a "sequel" way, as in, the story of Westworld was closed or sidelined, maybe now it will be Futureworld or Cyberworld or something. If the show ended now, most everyone had their story wrapped up in some way, whatever comes next is an entirely different story and phase of existence for each of the characters that need no longer necessarily be directly connected.


Okay, I guess I see what you mean. It does feel like a phase has ended, so one can look at it either way.

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I just finished season 2 last night. I enjoyed it but the finale left me wondering if we even need a season 3. Or if we did, would it even be "West" world anymore? Seems like they are building up the story for how the bots will take over the world, and you can't really do that if you're stuck in a theme park though it's 100 miles wide.

In the first season I didn't like Maeve that much, but liked Dolores and wanted to see her win.. now it's a complete 180 and I didn't care for Dolores at all. I dunno maybe the actress just didn't pull off the PsychoFemBot part as good.

I liked Shogunworld, wouldn't mind seeing more of that next time.

 
   
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I just finished season 2 last night. I enjoyed it but the finale left me wondering if we even need a season 3. Or if we did, would it even be "West" world anymore? Seems like they are building up the story for how the bots will take over the world, and you can't really do that if you're stuck in a theme park though it's 100 miles wide.

In the first season I didn't like Maeve that much, but liked Dolores and wanted to see her win.. now it's a complete 180 and I didn't care for Dolores at all. I dunno maybe the actress just didn't pull off the PsychoFemBot part as good.

I liked Shogunworld, wouldn't mind seeing more of that next time.


Good article that helps explain where they going from one of the creators - linked in my post above.

I think that was the point of this season - Dolores was brutally treated and wanted her to get even but then she did and started to appear that she would go down the same path as her abusers.

Maeve was much mroe relatable and written that way in Season 2.

I do feel its progressed really quickly and looking forward to seeing what they are going to do in S3 - apparentl West World will be in it -

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I think the issue with Dolores for many people in season 2 was that it felt so out of character (hah) and extreme in season 2 compared to 1. It was exactly the opposite for Meave, she started of full murder bot in season 1 and then became more relatable in her goals in season 2. So I guess that is where it comes from for most people, they both had more likeable goals in different seasons. People warmed up to Maeve because they saw 'progress' and they were turned off by Dolores because she seemingly went from understandable and someone you could be rooting for to outright 'take no prisoners' psychotic (I think acted pretty well).

Didn't care so much for the fact that everyone is slowly being turned into a host
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Great show, amazing body count in the last two episodes. Overall enjoyed it greatly, with the only thing bothering me the incredible stupidity of park 'security' and the 'veteran killteam'. Seriously people, PMCs today have attack helicopters and you have a multi billion dollar park, would it have been that much trouble to replace a bunch of redshirts (which they seem to have hundreds of at the rate season 2 was going at) with a couple of attack helicopters? I feel like 3/4ths of the humans died to their own stupidity as opposed to the hosts being clever. Yeah you cpuld say the underestimated the hosts, but once your first buddy gets shot you don't keep going lile you're trying to re-ennact the battle of Waterloo.

Also I have to say, Westworld and British India world sounds incredibly boring when you could have much more immersive places like Shogun world or Rome world or whatever else you could think of, lile Jurassic Park world inception


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I do feel its progressed really quickly and looking forward to seeing what they are going to do in S3 - apparentl West World will be in it -

I need it and I need it now

Athough the
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host data storage orbs she took and the machine to create more bodies
give some freedom for S3. Its going to take forever before S3 airs. Didn't they plan for at least 5 seasons or something. Sadly we will likely have to miss the amazing performances of Hopkins from now on.

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. Sadly we will likely have to miss the amazing performances of Hopkins from now on.


We thought that about Season 2 and he did say to Bernard that he may see him again - could be as a figment of his imagination or as a ghost in the machine - we know West World have upload Tech so Ford could have gone anywhere if he wanted to.

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. Sadly we will likely have to miss the amazing performances of Hopkins from now on.


We thought that about Season 2 and he did say to Bernard that he may see him again - could be as a figment of his imagination or as a ghost in the machine - we know West World have upload Tech so Ford could have gone anywhere if he wanted to.

The last time you know what Ford was to Bernard uhum... The last scene also felt very final.

As for the upload tech, Ford was in the you know what, with no hint of him being somewhere else. I assume he wasn't in the other device seeing as that would have uncovered his season 1 plans to Delos, seeing as how much it seems to be able to dive into the memories of James Delos. Of course that doesn't mean it has to be final considering the Dolores and Barnold dynamic, I just feel like Ford's story has run to its natural course going full circle on the bicameral mind part/episode.

The season 1 finale with Ford meanwhile very much felt like a trick, to the extent I thought he was making hosts of himself to further his plot at that point. Seems he figured out a more clever solution (or dumb seeing how close he got to an explosive ending moments later).

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. Sadly we will likely have to miss the amazing performances of Hopkins from now on.


We thought that about Season 2 and he did say to Bernard that he may see him again - could be as a figment of his imagination or as a ghost in the machine - we know West World have upload Tech so Ford could have gone anywhere if he wanted to.

The last time you know what Ford was to Bernard uhum... The last scene also felt very final.

As for the upload tech, Ford was in the you know what, with no hint of him being somewhere else. I assume he wasn't in the other device seeing as that would have uncovered his season 1 plans to Delos, seeing as how much it seems to be able to dive into the memories of James Delos. Of course that doesn't mean it has to be final considering the Dolores and Barnold dynamic, I just feel like Ford's story has run to its natural course going full circle on the bicameral mind part/episode.

The season 1 finale with Ford meanwhile very much felt like a trick, to the extent I thought he was making hosts of himself to further his plot at that point. Seems he figured out a more clever solution (or dumb seeing how close he got to an explosive ending moments later).


Could be - we could also have flashbacks - with or without AH?

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True, but I feel like flashbacks would be a bit cheap after they just used two entire seasons as a setup

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True, but I feel like flashbacks would be a bit cheap after they just used two entire seasons as a setup


Maybe - mutiple timelines is kinda there thing and we will now have quite a few era's that we can explore including the process that created Westworld, the world in which it is a escape - I think they said 3 million people had been. The rebuild and the future.


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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
True, but I feel like flashbacks would be a bit cheap after they just used two entire seasons as a setup


Maybe - mutiple timelines is kinda there thing and we will now have quite a few era's that we can explore including the process that created Westworld, the world in which it is a escape - I think they said 3 million people had been. The rebuild and the future.


4 million even, which isn't all that much in 30 years really, must be super expensive. Still pretty unclear what the evil plan with it was.

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True, but I feel like flashbacks would be a bit cheap after they just used two entire seasons as a setup


Maybe - mutiple timelines is kinda there thing and we will now have quite a few era's that we can explore including the process that created Westworld, the world in which it is a escape - I think they said 3 million people had been. The rebuild and the future.


4 million even, which isn't all that much in 30 years really, must be super expensive. Still pretty unclear what the evil plan with it was.


I think the stated plan was to copy all visitors and then either mine their minds ot replece them but the tech did not work properely for the latter.

The idea that the hats were important was ....odd - half the people did not wear one and it cetainly not the case in Shogun world or Raj World. Still its agood show.

Still hoping Angela is around in some form (hoping one of those memory cores)

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Yeah that's the vibe you get, some evil plan to body snatch important people. But then they switch track to the immortality argument.

Yup, the hat statement was ridiculous, although it did spawn a great joke: Robot understanding of human sex life is going to be based of a few freaks who keep their hats on during sex.

I asume Angela was lost due to the explosion, but that doesn't matter anymore it seems.

Its a great show, that's what makes the little flaws so obvious

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Agreed - she seduced and sacrifced herself - given she was pretty self aware i was surprised how willing she was to kill herself without a back up plan - she was one of the oldest hosts so hoping if the actress is happy to continue she will return in some form.

Not sure who else would be in the cores - D's dad yeah but who else - Teddy is where Teddy is. maybe a version of Maeve and I can't see why one of them was not Bernard?

Also was the
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also a host? Seemed to be implying he was?

On the Hats - imagining the hosts having to keep come up with reasons for guests to keep their hat on at all times.

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Also was the
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also a host? Seemed to be implying he was?


Pretty sure, there were some heavy handed implications in that conversation.

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 nels1031 wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:


Also was the
Spoiler:
park cheif security guy
also a host? Seemed to be implying he was?


Pretty sure, there were some heavy handed implications in that conversation.

I believe one of the writers confirmed it.

Edit: linky it was the director, bit cheap if you ask me though.



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 Mr Morden wrote:
Agreed - she seduced and sacrifced herself - given she was pretty self aware i was surprised how willing she was to kill herself without a back up plan - she was one of the oldest hosts so hoping if the actress is happy to continue she will return in some form.

Not sure who else would be in the cores - D's dad yeah but who else - Teddy is where Teddy is. maybe a version of Maeve and I can't see why one of them was not Bernard?

Also was the
Spoiler:
park cheif security guy
also a host? Seemed to be implying he was?

On the Hats - imagining the hosts having to keep come up with reasons for guests to keep their hat on at all times.

Well seeing as how we got Bernard based on Arnold I assume we could get Angela back the same way, hell everyone could be recreated like that. Even Ford or Bernard's buddy.

Yeah she had 5, one was Bernard, one could be Angela depending on if her head was left intact, because Dolores had access to the same facility again. The other 3? Possibly Teddy as she might have just copied the files and not wiped them off the core? Possibly the dad of course, although he is scrambled beyond recovery perhaps. Can't really think of any other major characters she might have had access to. Lawrence died in the wrong place. Anyone remember any major characters that had their bodies dragged to the Mesa?

The hat thing was terrible, it makes no sense in hindsight and another reason could have easily been thought off, because they could access the memories of James Delos long before he ever went to the park. They should have just made up something about the train scanning you going into and out if the park, because we have been shown they can just extract the memories and distill the decision making process based on that.

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
I think the issue with Dolores for many people in season 2 was that it felt so out of character (hah) and extreme in season 2 compared to 1. It was exactly the opposite for Meave, she started of full murder bot in season 1 and then became more relatable in her goals in season 2. So I guess that is where it comes from for most people, they both had more likeable goals in different seasons. People warmed up to Maeve because they saw 'progress' and they were turned off by Dolores because she seemingly went from understandable and someone you could be rooting for to outright 'take no prisoners' psychotic (I think acted pretty well)..


Well...no gak. Did everybody just miss the point in Season 1 when Ford literally reprogrammed Delores with a new personality called Wyatt? Dolores is not Dolores anymore. She's a Dolores-Wyatt hybrid.

Dolores is acting entirely in character...for a person who effectively has a split personality.
   
 
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