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Future 80s is the way to go. CD Projekt Red really nailed it, its not over the top future 80's, we see iconic characters with 80's hair but they are images from the original game. It is mostly modernised, we see modern phones and a more modern take on a lot of the tech, but sometimes you have to place vignettes of pure 80's in the game to set the tone without drowning it. The car was an excellent choice, its so advanced its almost retro. Its proof that they are getting the imagery of this game subtly right and is a very good sign.
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Not all is cyberware. Notice the markings on the docs arm, these are external prosthetics on his left arm possibly with three pronged jack in points, its not a glove he is wearing, but a wired in external prosthetic. Maybe V can also have specialist prosthetics for mission tasks to be added or removed at need.
Though likely the ripperdoc (we know what he is from the image title) has no cyberware that we know of of his own due to professional detachment, or fear of being ripped himself.
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Vinyl scrore. So much to read into this image. Nice to see Johnny Silverhand reference. Is Silverhand new has the timeline been reworked like Shadowrun has, or is this two generations after the Cyberpunk timeline. I don't know. I hope the former as while 'future of the 80's has a vibe it would be better to resurrect rather than to just continue the Cyberpunk game and forward most of the events in the canon timeline by forty or fifty years, perhaps pace them a little more. You could still have future 80's, 80's is a good springboard and could be resurrected as a culture in the 21st century easy enough.
Either way its nice that underground music still promoted in vinyl, actually that isnt 80's, back then everyone was trying to ditch vinyl and move to CD's, scratch DJ's being the only exception. Vinyl revival was a late 90's thing, I like that, as the tropes are not stuck in one decade.
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Hira Protagonist. Same jacket. This may be the female V used in the exclusive preview.
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not-Knight Rider. Tick box checked, complete with flowing neon. I never really liked Knight Rider, but this is just too damn perfect. Just take my money.
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My don't mess with me face. Militech are just about the only corp big enough and nasty enough to take on Arasaka straight on. Neither she nor her immediate bodyguard look particularly tooled up, especially when you compare to other screenshots of the people hanging around when deals are being made, it would be a mistake to make much of that though. If the flying tank doesn't give you pause, the name on the side probably will, and the guard might not be the most ostensibly cybered up solo you might meet, but I bet he has the chops.
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Casual and creepy. Just doing may make up... just putting on my face. We know the vernacular. Loved this screen in the video trailer. Normally if you see someone moving around casually with this much face missing it means zombies. But this girl is just making ready, to her its just another Friday night out. Its jarring, its genius. It's a pretty girl with half a head, yes we know that, we can see, but, pay attention, its a pretty girl with half a head and apparently nothing is wrong. Welcome to the cybernetic world.
By the way she has no feed from her mouth we can see, probably has a gullet plate so the reattached jaw can enjoy food, but clearly this is not how this girl needs sustenance. This is a Alpha, total body replacement with accurate morphology, cost about 200k Euros to buy that shell. Likely the only meat left is her brain, not that you can tell when she is sealed up. Her skin is flawless, and doesn't appear cybernetic at all, that probably extends literally everywhere, and for an Alphagirl, a Midnight Lady is part of the standard package.
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n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Yodhrin wrote: Nothing to fix for me, it's not the kind of RPG that needs third person for game mechanic reasons, so it's far better as first person IMO, much easier to be immersed in your character that way than magically inhabiting a point six feet behind your own head.
It doesn't need to be an either/or situation.
Skyrim allows both. I know people who cannot stand 1st person, and cannot stand 3rd person. The option is there for both.
Even GTAV added it in.
I suppose, but Skyrim is still fundamentally designed to play from 1st person, and GTA 3rd. Both kinda work from the alternative, but even with mods to help you won't find many folk who prefer 3rd who're happy with Skyrim or Fallout in that regard, but if folk are willing to settle sure, so long as it doesn't mean compromising the gameplay experience for the intended PoV, why not.
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Yodhrin wrote: Nothing to fix for me, it's not the kind of RPG that needs third person for game mechanic reasons, so it's far better as first person IMO, much easier to be immersed in your character that way than magically inhabiting a point six feet behind your own head.
It doesn't need to be an either/or situation.
Skyrim allows both. I know people who cannot stand 1st person, and cannot stand 3rd person. The option is there for both.
Even GTAV added it in.
I suppose, but Skyrim is still fundamentally designed to play from 1st person, and GTA 3rd. Both kinda work from the alternative, but even with mods to help you won't find many folk who prefer 3rd who're happy with Skyrim or Fallout in that regard, but if folk are willing to settle sure, so long as it doesn't mean compromising the gameplay experience for the intended PoV, why not.
Yeah, I know some gamer's who can't do 1st person. Gives them crazy motion sickness.
I typically prefer 1st person over 3rd myself, but a handful of games, I've found 3rd to be more immersive, GTA for instance, or Witcher.
I almost always use 1st when available, much more immersive.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
Oh, but I love a hacker/decker done right, and destructible environments.
Looks good.
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Voss wrote: I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
Oh, but I love a hacker/decker done right, and destructible environments.
My understanding is that it was supposed to be this fall/winter but they've pushed it back as there's some other mechanics they want to do.
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Voss wrote: I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
What they showed certainly suggests that the game isn't that far from completion. On the other hand, this video seems to match up with what was reportedly shown behind closed doors at E3, so this could just be an extra polished part of the game for demo purposes, but many of the mechanics look like they're already there. Time to start saving up for that new PC. It's "only" about $800 for the new 2080.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Voss wrote: I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
What they showed certainly suggests that the game isn't that far from completion. On the other hand, this video seems to match up with what was reportedly shown behind closed doors at E3, so this could just be an extra polished part of the game for demo purposes, but many of the mechanics look like they're already there. Time to start saving up for that new PC. It's "only" about $800 for the new 2080.
Seems likely it's for demo purposes, so I can't say the people who go inb4 downgrade are wrong. It's happened with games before, aliens colonial marines is one of the epic standouts. I can only play this on the ps4, not even the pro. So i'm prepared for it to look like crap and run like crap, it's a shame the so called next gen console I bought has had a lousy lifespan. Next time I won't buy a console until it's been out for 2-3 years and they put out the slim version/pro etc or upgraded variant.
Just watched this before coming here. have yet to recover my jaw from the floor and wonder how much new rig I need to play it.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Voss wrote: I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
What they showed certainly suggests that the game isn't that far from completion. On the other hand, this video seems to match up with what was reportedly shown behind closed doors at E3, so this could just be an extra polished part of the game for demo purposes, but many of the mechanics look like they're already there. Time to start saving up for that new PC. It's "only" about $800 for the new 2080.
It is what was shown at E3, just made public. It was also shown at GamesCom.
Tannhauser42 wrote: [quote=Voss 758511 10128182 nullOn the other hand, this video seems to match up with what was reportedly shown behind closed doors at E3, so this could just be an extra polished part of the game for demo purposes
Probably. On the other hand, it also looks like the prologue of the game. So it would make sense that this is what they show off to everyone. Lots of action, and it avoids spoiling anything serious for the later parts of the plot.
In any case, all of it looks amazing - from the missions to just the open world itself.
Still looking forward to this.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Running through the screenshots, trying to figure out which of them are from the demo...
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1.) V and the car. I'm guessing that Jackie dies early on, and V keeps the car. But whatever the case, this particular screen grab didn't come from the video.
2.) Male V getting ambushed while sitting down for a bite. Not in the vid.
3.) Trauma Team hard at work. But that's not a balcony, and that's not the girl from the first mission.
4.) Now this looks familiar. It's our buddy, Vickie the Ripperdoc.
5.) This one's a bit more obscure, but it might be in the demo. Shortly after V leaves her apartment in the gameplay video, you can hear a store owner and a customer discussing a Silverhand vinyl. The store owner says that Silverhand's first album was his best, and it's all been downhill since then. It's possible that if you got up close and took a good look at the two men, you might see what's in this screen grab.
6.) More familiar. Maelstrom gang member, and the spiderbot.
7.) Trauma Team on a familiar looking balcony. Take a few steps back. NOW!
8.) Female V in an alleyway. Don't think that was in the video, though she was.
9.) Dexter wouldn't have sent you after the spiderbot if someone didn't want it. This is probably who wanted it.
10.) That van looks like the same one the scavvies drove in the video.
11.) Definitely not in the video. Incidentally, I just noticed that the taxi driver - who looks like he just stepped off the boat from the Middle-East - has a Japanese last name.
12.) You can't see his top knot, but this is Jackie. I don't recognize the room, though.
13.) Not in the video.
14.) Is in the video. And looking much calmer here than she was in the video. I guess this is what it looks like if you help her out and finish the mission during the daytime instead of dusk.
15.) Definitely not in the video. Definitely curious about her.
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Prologue will be part tutorial part scene setting. Then you will have on or two very basic missions to establish a learning curve. This mission is the breakthrough mission. It is there to set you up for bigger play. Note how V moved from Street Cred 1 to 2 at the end so its still very early, but she walks away with a lot of guns, but started with only a pistol.
Breakthrough missions are there to prep or equip the character for main game play. This scenario certainly fits this bill. Now like the late game cyberware some of the guns are probably late game too and the players experience may vary.
Personally I think the difficulty of this mission was artificially jacked up for the challenge, a starter character would have bigger problems, but then they might be able to ghost out through vents. There appeared to be a way to net run out of the scenario and it is possible the defences could have been turned on the defenders, or otherwise neutralised.
Nevertheless this is the mission when a big league fixer AND corp attention is caught. Its an enabler, and good level design normally includes enablers in early missions in sandbox games so the player can better survive open play.
Other sources have already implied we get to keep the spider drone as a permanent companion.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
Voss wrote: I do wish they'd put out an official word on a release date, or time frame. Half the coverage is still 'oh it could be years more,' but stuff like this doesn't suggest years, but maybe 9 months or so.
What they showed certainly suggests that the game isn't that far from completion. On the other hand, this video seems to match up with what was reportedly shown behind closed doors at E3, so this could just be an extra polished part of the game for demo purposes, but many of the mechanics look like they're already there. Time to start saving up for that new PC. It's "only" about $800 for the new 2080.
Seems likely it's for demo purposes, so I can't say the people who go inb4 downgrade are wrong. It's happened with games before, aliens colonial marines is one of the epic standouts. I can only play this on the ps4, not even the pro. So i'm prepared for it to look like crap and run like crap, it's a shame the so called next gen console I bought has had a lousy lifespan. Next time I won't buy a console until it's been out for 2-3 years and they put out the slim version/pro etc or upgraded variant.
To be fair, even on the standard PS4 (or Xbox One for that matter), I don't think it'll look at all bad. No, it won't hit 4k or 60fps, but look at something like God of War or Horizon Zero Dawn, or Tomb Raider or Battlefield One over on Xbox, they still look pretty damn stunning even without those features. Even The Witcher 3, 3 years old, massive and having been 'downgraded' still looks incredible on a regular Xbox One as far as I'm concerned.
To be honest, at this point blockbuster games generally look good enough that the difference between the basic console, the super-consoles and the PC versions are a nice-to-have upgrade, sure, but hardly a major one or anything that impedes playing on the basic versions. For major company to make a game that looks or runs genuinely poorly on the baseline consoles would be quite unlikely.
Of course, that's assuming this doesn't launch on the PS5/Next-box or split across the generations like some things, but even then, I'm of the mind that games look good enough now that that generational jump will be far less impressive than the one from PS3/360 to PS4/One; can games really look that much better than some of them already do? I mean, obviously on a purely technical level, yes, but I think it'll have to be quite a leap in tech for us to start seeing stuff that makes the current crop of big releases look dated or behind.
How good do modders have to be these days to make a mod look as good as the game?
1st person here works for me, but I can see the want for 3rd, as long as the view and GUI adapt well enough.
But, will they do a VR mode?
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I was going to build a new rig in January, but put my money into a Nurgle army and various KS projects instead. I decided to limp on with the PC I have got and play older games. Each month of delay lowers my price or raises what I will get for it, and looking at the next gen of gaming influenced my decision.
Graphics have been more or less plateaued for the last three to four years, but there is a big leap coming, not of quality but quantity. Same graphics as much of this decade but more of it, more characters on screen, greater view ranges etc. That will mean a jump in CPU and GPU power is needed.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
1st person here works for me, but I can see the want for 3rd, as long as the view and GUI adapt well enough.
Well it is a bit of preference, because I want to see my character in RPGescue games, but mostly because I may get easily motion sickness from all but the best fine tuned first person games and I fear it may be unplayable for me.
I am surprised at the amount of internet-rage I've seen elsewhere over the decision to make the game first person. In general, I prefer my shooters to be first person. It's too bad they've decided not to offer the option ingame. Hopefully there will still be lots of opportunities to see the character.
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
Tannhauser42 wrote: I am surprised at the amount of internet-rage I've seen elsewhere over the decision to make the game first person. In general, I prefer my shooters to be first person. It's too bad they've decided not to offer the option ingame. Hopefully there will still be lots of opportunities to see the character.
If the fans want 3rd person then cd projekt will find a way to make it happen, they are pretty good at that, it will likely be a patch post release.
Tannhauser42 wrote: I am surprised at the amount of internet-rage I've seen elsewhere over the decision to make the game first person. In general, I prefer my shooters to be first person. It's too bad they've decided not to offer the option ingame. Hopefully there will still be lots of opportunities to see the character.
Mmmm.
All those possible alterations to your character from make-up, clothes, cyberware etc. Would be a shame if we don't really get to see them much and so they just become more like numbers in an inventory than a unique style we get to enjoy as we play. Sure we'll get to see them during cutscenes and conversations but would be nice for a third person option.
Although I personally prefer 3rd person over 1st person (and shooter rpgs can be done in 3rd person well, such as Mass Effect when it reached ME3), I am very excited for this.
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
Well there is also the case that they did Witcher and people expected the same, yes, I understand that because a company releases a really successful trilogy as a 3rd person rpg does not mean they will always do their rpg in 3rd person, experimentation is a crucial part in portfolio diversification, but it sets audience expectations.
I do believe the vast majority expected a 3rd person rpg from them.
I've got a feeling that simply patching in a 3rd person cam won't be so easy. Most FPS games these days still have a disembodied camera with a pair of arms sticking out of the sides for your first person view.
BrookM wrote: I've got a feeling that simply patching in a 3rd person cam won't be so easy. Most FPS games these days still have a disembodied camera with a pair of arms sticking out of the sides for your first person view.
Yup. And there might even be a case of having to create a whole new host of animations if some of the cyber abilities (such as say the sticking to the wall with the arm blades) have only been animated for the player in first person.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
If the cut-scenes are set to show the PC in 3rd person, most of the frame and textures will be there.
But, as said, animations are going to need those components tying to the actions.
It will need more, if I recall correctly, Cyberpunk team said they tried to solve the issues they had with 3rd person and closed spaces by going first person, might not be easy at all.
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