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Made in gb
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U.k

Yet again sunshine you are missing the point. I said and explained the word need. I didn’t say khorne dislikes combat I said he doesn’t like in that like and dislike are too binary a term. Tzeentch “needs” change in that he is a god of change, change is what he is. It is him. See. He doesn’t like it he is it. In the material universe change isn’t a tangible thing. In the warp it is the essence of the god. I’m arguing against using terms like knowledgeable or like. Saying that they are concepts that the chaos gods bear no heed. It’s like the argument about the Christian go and the trinity. How can he be the father, the sone and the whole ghost? It’s because he ‘is’. He is the alpha and the omega. Ie everything. (I’m not saying I believe it but it’s the same concept). What does a god know? Any god. What I love about chaos is the anathema of it. The pure otherness. It’s intangiable. Utterly abstract and devoid of boundaries. What we see in the material universe is a tiny glimpse of it. A bigger glimpse if you go to the eye of terror or rift but still just a fragment of it.

In the dark eldar books when they near a slither of warpyness space and time breaks down, words come out of the characters mouths as flocks of ethereal birds. It’s bonkers. That’s the point. Maybe you’ve read too many heresey books where chaos is depicted as a tangible thing bargaining and persuading people. But that isn’t its true nature and never had been in the “lore” as you call it. Our arguments are not the same you just seem unable to grasp mine. I’ve come here to discuss this because I see you going around missing the point and telling everyone they are wrong, it needed pointing out that you are missing the point on your ideas about chaos. So listen or don’t. I don’t care now. I’ve tried saying my peice but it’s falling on deaf ears. Again I urge you to buy and read slaves to darkness (it’s available at warhammer world) and lost and the damned. Amazing books that might open your eyes. And to be honest be rude if you want to be and lol all you need. You are the one missing out on great lore.
   
Made in gb
Frenzied Berserker Terminator






Andykp wrote:
Yet again sunshine you are missing the point. I said and explained the word need. I didn’t say khorne dislikes combat I said he doesn’t like in that like and dislike are too binary a term. Tzeentch “needs” change in that he is a god of change, change is what he is. It is him. See. He doesn’t like it he is it. In the material universe change isn’t a tangible thing. In the warp it is the essence of the god. I’m arguing against using terms like knowledgeable or like. Saying that they are concepts that the chaos gods bear no heed. It’s like the argument about the Christian go and the trinity. How can he be the father, the sone and the whole ghost? It’s because he ‘is’. He is the alpha and the omega. Ie everything. (I’m not saying I believe it but it’s the same concept). What does a god know? Any god. What I love about chaos is the anathema of it. The pure otherness. It’s intangiable. Utterly abstract and devoid of boundaries. What we see in the material universe is a tiny glimpse of it. A bigger glimpse if you go to the eye of terror or rift but still just a fragment of it.

In the dark eldar books when they near a slither of warpyness space and time breaks down, words come out of the characters mouths as flocks of ethereal birds. It’s bonkers. That’s the point. Maybe you’ve read too many heresey books where chaos is depicted as a tangible thing bargaining and persuading people. But that isn’t its true nature and never had been in the “lore” as you call it. Our arguments are not the same you just seem unable to grasp mine. I’ve come here to discuss this because I see you going around missing the point and telling everyone they are wrong, it needed pointing out that you are missing the point on your ideas about chaos. So listen or don’t. I don’t care now. I’ve tried saying my peice but it’s falling on deaf ears. Again I urge you to buy and read slaves to darkness (it’s available at warhammer world) and lost and the damned. Amazing books that might open your eyes. And to be honest be rude if you want to be and lol all you need. You are the one missing out on great lore.


I'm not even going to bother replying lol
   
Made in gb
Incorporating Wet-Blending




U.k

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Andykp wrote:
Yet again sunshine you are missing the point. I said and explained the word need. I didn’t say khorne dislikes combat I said he doesn’t like in that like and dislike are too binary a term. Tzeentch “needs” change in that he is a god of change, change is what he is. It is him. See. He doesn’t like it he is it. In the material universe change isn’t a tangible thing. In the warp it is the essence of the god. I’m arguing against using terms like knowledgeable or like. Saying that they are concepts that the chaos gods bear no heed. It’s like the argument about the Christian go and the trinity. How can he be the father, the sone and the whole ghost? It’s because he ‘is’. He is the alpha and the omega. Ie everything. (I’m not saying I believe it but it’s the same concept). What does a god know? Any god. What I love about chaos is the anathema of it. The pure otherness. It’s intangiable. Utterly abstract and devoid of boundaries. What we see in the material universe is a tiny glimpse of it. A bigger glimpse if you go to the eye of terror or rift but still just a fragment of it.

In the dark eldar books when they near a slither of warpyness space and time breaks down, words come out of the characters mouths as flocks of ethereal birds. It’s bonkers. That’s the point. Maybe you’ve read too many heresey books where chaos is depicted as a tangible thing bargaining and persuading people. But that isn’t its true nature and never had been in the “lore” as you call it. Our arguments are not the same you just seem unable to grasp mine. I’ve come here to discuss this because I see you going around missing the point and telling everyone they are wrong, it needed pointing out that you are missing the point on your ideas about chaos. So listen or don’t. I don’t care now. I’ve tried saying my peice but it’s falling on deaf ears. Again I urge you to buy and read slaves to darkness (it’s available at warhammer world) and lost and the damned. Amazing books that might open your eyes. And to be honest be rude if you want to be and lol all you need. You are the one missing out on great lore.


I'm not even going to bother replying lol


First sensible thing you’ve said.
   
Made in ca
Decrepit Dakkanaut





Some people like the rubber-monster Chaos, and others prefer the notion of Chaos as orthogonal to Reality. That's the lovely thing about Warhammer is that it accommodates both.
   
Made in gb
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U.k

 Nurglitch wrote:
Some people like the rubber-monster Chaos, and others prefer the notion of Chaos as orthogonal to Reality. That's the lovely thing about Warhammer is that it accommodates both.


I should listen to a “god like imperator Titan commander”. Sounds like you know your Dakka ways.
   
Made in gb
Frenzied Berserker Terminator






Andykp wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Andykp wrote:
Yet again sunshine you are missing the point. I said and explained the word need. I didn’t say khorne dislikes combat I said he doesn’t like in that like and dislike are too binary a term. Tzeentch “needs” change in that he is a god of change, change is what he is. It is him. See. He doesn’t like it he is it. In the material universe change isn’t a tangible thing. In the warp it is the essence of the god. I’m arguing against using terms like knowledgeable or like. Saying that they are concepts that the chaos gods bear no heed. It’s like the argument about the Christian go and the trinity. How can he be the father, the sone and the whole ghost? It’s because he ‘is’. He is the alpha and the omega. Ie everything. (I’m not saying I believe it but it’s the same concept). What does a god know? Any god. What I love about chaos is the anathema of it. The pure otherness. It’s intangiable. Utterly abstract and devoid of boundaries. What we see in the material universe is a tiny glimpse of it. A bigger glimpse if you go to the eye of terror or rift but still just a fragment of it.

In the dark eldar books when they near a slither of warpyness space and time breaks down, words come out of the characters mouths as flocks of ethereal birds. It’s bonkers. That’s the point. Maybe you’ve read too many heresey books where chaos is depicted as a tangible thing bargaining and persuading people. But that isn’t its true nature and never had been in the “lore” as you call it. Our arguments are not the same you just seem unable to grasp mine. I’ve come here to discuss this because I see you going around missing the point and telling everyone they are wrong, it needed pointing out that you are missing the point on your ideas about chaos. So listen or don’t. I don’t care now. I’ve tried saying my peice but it’s falling on deaf ears. Again I urge you to buy and read slaves to darkness (it’s available at warhammer world) and lost and the damned. Amazing books that might open your eyes. And to be honest be rude if you want to be and lol all you need. You are the one missing out on great lore.


I'm not even going to bother replying lol


First sensible thing you’ve said.


No mate you are just full of it. You don't know what you're talking about, you have poor knowledge of the lore and you are doing just what you are accusing me of doing and you are either completely oblivious to it or are ignoring that you are doing that lol, You are not speaking sense, there is no point in debating you. I said Tzeentch has knowledge and he absolutely does but you say you can't know the gods and then you say he needs and wants etc. even though you say you can't understand the lore, even though I agree he needs change (that is irrelevant though you are still using a human word to describe him, which you say you cannot do) but you can't even understand how wrong your point is, you say you can't understand them but continue to say that you understand them lol I feel like I'm taking crazy pills talking to you. It's so ridiculous your whole argument is based on a logical fallacy.

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U.k

Just read the books. Both realm of chaos ones. You will learn something. Super Titan guy is right. U enjoy your version of chaos I will enjoy mine. It doesn’t change your attitude problem. There is more to the lore than the heresey books and you seem to miss the subtle nuisances in those too. Try to keep an open mind and don’t shout everyone down. It isn’t history. It’s a game and it’s background. There are no facts. It’s all fiction.
   
Made in gb
Frenzied Berserker Terminator






Andykp wrote:
Just read the books. Both realm of chaos ones. You will learn something. Super Titan guy is right. U enjoy your version of chaos I will enjoy mine. It doesn’t change your attitude problem. There is more to the lore than the heresey books and you seem to miss the subtle nuisances in those too. Try to keep an open mind and don’t shout everyone down. It isn’t history. It’s a game and it’s background. There are no facts. It’s all fiction.


Learn to read the lore and not make up your own.
   
Made in gb
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U.k

It’s fiction mate. It’s all made up.
   
 
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