Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I just want slightly better offense. Give Reivers AP-1 on their blades, Intercessors and Hellblasters get Heavy Bolt Pistols standard, etc.

SeanDrake wrote:
Primaris apparently did not sell as well as GW expected and that has slowed any further roll out. They are still coming as the work on them has been done but who knows when or if changes are being made first.

Anecdotally in my area at least normal marines still out sell Primaris by a pretty large margin.

I've heard this befiore but there's simply no evidance for it. the record sales since 8th edition launches suggests otherwise

 Elbows wrote:

Secondly, we can all admit Marines are pretty crap/weak at the moment, right?

Uh.. no? They're fine. Arguably better than Primaris most of the time.

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

Secondly, we can all admit Marines are pretty crap/weak at the moment, right?

Uh.. no? They're fine. Arguably better than Primaris most of the time.

Only in your area, dude.

BrianDavion wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Primaris apparently did not sell as well as GW expected and that has slowed any further roll out. They are still coming as the work on them has been done but who knows when or if changes are being made first.

Anecdotally in my area at least normal marines still out sell Primaris by a pretty large margin.

I've heard this befiore but there's simply no evidance for it. the record sales since 8th edition launches suggests otherwise

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but record profits does not equal record sales. Especially when sales include all GW product, most particularly Indexes and printed material which you can make a fortune on for very little outlay.

Banville wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Primaris apparently did not sell as well as GW expected and that has slowed any further roll out. They are still coming as the work on them has been done but who knows when or if changes are being made first.

Anecdotally in my area at least normal marines still out sell Primaris by a pretty large margin.

I've heard this befiore but there's simply no evidance for it. the record sales since 8th edition launches suggests otherwise

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but record profits does not equal record sales. Especially when sales include all GW product, most particularly Indexes and printed material which you can make a fortune on for very little outlay.

no this is true, but the idea that primaris marines have been a colossal dissappointment is something I don't hear a lot of evidance for, and it's usealy a "rumor" advanced by people who hate the primaris so..

I don't think Primaris have hit a sales point where they're completely replacing old Marines but it seems clear GW was being careful not to do this.

BrianDavion wrote:

Banville wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Primaris apparently did not sell as well as GW expected and that has slowed any further roll out. They are still coming as the work on them has been done but who knows when or if changes are being made first.

Anecdotally in my area at least normal marines still out sell Primaris by a pretty large margin.

I've heard this befiore but there's simply no evidance for it. the record sales since 8th edition launches suggests otherwise

Not saying you're wrong or anything, but record profits does not equal record sales. Especially when sales include all GW product, most particularly Indexes and printed material which you can make a fortune on for very little outlay.

it's usealy a "rumor" advanced by people who hate the primaris so..

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:

 Elbows wrote:

Secondly, we can all admit Marines are pretty crap/weak at the moment, right?

Uh.. no? They're fine. Arguably better than Primaris most of the time.

Only in your area, dude.

Not every marine player whines as much as some of the crowd here on dakka.

Last I'd heard and I think the issue is more GW compairing apples and oranges.
They are compairing sales growth of primaris against Stormcast but current storm cast sales growth as AoS has had what looks like from a 40k players perspective a bucket load of Sigmarine releases which are power creeping along with each release.

Primaris as a pure army don't work and they look terrible along side non primaris units, in my opinion.

I think primaris will come but I think the expectation on GW's side was a little optimistic.
It feels like deathguard got a lot more new releases compaired to Primaris.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Andykp wrote:
I don’t get the level of primaris hate fluffwise. I know it’s not the best but it’s hardly game breaking, people were happy marines kept getting new tanks and plains and guns but new marines is a massive no no. It’s not like it just happened, it was supposed to be going on for 10000 years. That’s a long time. I think they could’ve done more about some chapters refusing them or being unhappy but that wouldn’t have made sense marketing wise as they were supposed to sell to existing marine players and you would be pretty upset if your beloved chapter couldn’t get it’s hands in new stuff. Old marines were done. They had milked every idea out of them. No more money to be made there.

As for primaris not being a success I don’t see that at all. The financials show 8th being a great success and that was launched with primaris, also anecdotally I sell painted miniatures and the primaris ones still sel, faster than any others I’ve done.

I dislike it because it's lazy writing. I had actually enjoyed that they moved the story along a bit when they first did the End Times trilogy for 40k and was glad they handled it a lot better than Fantasy. My issue going forward is if anything the Imperium seems to suddenly be fundamentally written in a different manor. Primaris Marines are marines plus 1 who some how fix any flaw the various chapters had because Cawl does science better than the emperor could do. I'm a marine playing for over a decade and I just find this to the most boring and uninspired thing GW could have done.

Worse than marines in power armour, in more power armour? I’m with the others. This isn’t as lazy as the whole “you’ve had it all along” stuff from before. Maybe the emperor would’ve come up with them or better but he got stuck in the throne so couldn’t.

I love the models. Had a lot a dark angels before and never had a problem with the scale of them but after seeing primaris I couldn’t Unser my big headed old marines so they had to go.

Not having read the entire thread, I think Primaris are a lot more appealing in Death Watch than in a regular mono-build, because being able to put some padding around Aggressors and HellBlasters makes them feel a lot more viable and the bonuses for including an Inceptor and a Reiver (and Shock Grenades...) help them a lot at close range. Special Issue Ammunition doesn't hurt anything either.

What I'd like to see is some of that ported over to vanilla marines. Being able to add an Aggressor, a couple of HellBlasters, and giving the serg the option to take Shock Grenades would help Primaris a lot in a mono-build.

I'd also like to see another weapon option or two for the Hellblasters. Probably based on the Assault Cannon and Heavy Flamer.

Beyond that I really think all the special, heavy, and melee weapons need to be reduced to Guard prices for Marines. Yes they're better in the hands of a Marine, but we're already paying for everything that makes that true when we spend three times as much on a base Marine. (That goes for vehicles too.) And basic marines kinda need the Autocannon back.

I know the thread is about Primaris, but this relates to them since even if they could pad Aggressors and Hellblasters and all that jazz Primaris still don't have much capability to knock down hard targets. They're counting on their more ordinary brethren to bring the big guns for those targets while they bring the dakka for the hordes in that set up.

Ice_can wrote:
Last I'd heard and I think the issue is more GW compairing apples and oranges.
They are compairing sales growth of primaris against Stormcast but current storm cast sales growth as AoS has had what looks like from a 40k players perspective a bucket load of Sigmarine releases which are power creeping along with each release.

Primaris as a pure army don't work and they look terrible along side non primaris units, in my opinion.

I think primaris will come but I think the expectation on GW's side was a little optimistic.
It feels like deathguard got a lot more new releases compaired to Primaris.

I feel like the similarities between primaris and stormcast are pretty apt. Primaris seem like they're where stormcast were originally - a few units that are sort of cool but nothing with a real wow factor that build a somewhat limited list by themselves.

I personally didn't care for stormcast until Soul War came out, the new design of the releases with more robe/tabards to really give a feeling of movement to the minis helped a lot.

I think maybe something similar might help primaris. Have something like an angels release (Blood or Dark) to make some new primaris with more details, more cool bits and a broader range of units. I mean maybe the answer isn't as simple as 'just add robes' but those seem like they're big chapters that get a lot of love. Certainly they could do the same for Salamanders or Iron Hands, but I doubt they'd pick one of those chapters.

 ScarletRose wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Last I'd heard and I think the issue is more GW compairing apples and oranges.
They are compairing sales growth of primaris against Stormcast but current storm cast sales growth as AoS has had what looks like from a 40k players perspective a bucket load of Sigmarine releases which are power creeping along with each release.

Primaris as a pure army don't work and they look terrible along side non primaris units, in my opinion.

I think primaris will come but I think the expectation on GW's side was a little optimistic.
It feels like deathguard got a lot more new releases compaired to Primaris.

I feel like the similarities between primaris and stormcast are pretty apt. Primaris seem like they're where stormcast were originally - a few units that are sort of cool but nothing with a real wow factor that build a somewhat limited list by themselves.

I personally didn't care for stormcast until Soul War came out, the new design of the releases with more robe/tabards to really give a feeling of movement to the minis helped a lot.

I think maybe something similar might help primaris. Have something like an angels release (Blood or Dark) to make some new primaris with more details, more cool bits and a broader range of units. I mean maybe the answer isn't as simple s 'just add robes' but those seem like they're big chapters that get a lot of love. Certainly they could do the same for Salamanders or Iron Hands, but I doubt they'd pick one of those chapters.

on the other hand a common complaint about the old skool marines was "too much bling" so...

 Amishprn86 wrote:
Never take what BOLS says to heart, wait till actual details comes out, bols is just a clickbate website with a few people that like warhammer.

Yeah BOLS has very little information that is useful lately.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Last I'd heard and I think the issue is more GW compairing apples and oranges.
They are compairing sales growth of primaris against Stormcast but current storm cast sales growth as AoS has had what looks like from a 40k players perspective a bucket load of Sigmarine releases which are power creeping along with each release.

Primaris as a pure army don't work and they look terrible along side non primaris units, in my opinion.

I think primaris will come but I think the expectation on GW's side was a little optimistic.
It feels like deathguard got a lot more new releases compaired to Primaris.

I feel like the similarities between primaris and stormcast are pretty apt. Primaris seem like they're where stormcast were originally - a few units that are sort of cool but nothing with a real wow factor that build a somewhat limited list by themselves.

I personally didn't care for stormcast until Soul War came out, the new design of the releases with more robe/tabards to really give a feeling of movement to the minis helped a lot.

I think maybe something similar might help primaris. Have something like an angels release (Blood or Dark) to make some new primaris with more details, more cool bits and a broader range of units. I mean maybe the answer isn't as simple s 'just add robes' but those seem like they're big chapters that get a lot of love. Certainly they could do the same for Salamanders or Iron Hands, but I doubt they'd pick one of those chapters.

on the other hand a common complaint about the old skool marines was "too much bling" so...

Fair point, but I think there's a midground between too plain and skull on skulls. It's a matter of capturing the right aesthetic.

BrianDavion wrote:

 ScarletRose wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Last I'd heard and I think the issue is more GW compairing apples and oranges.
They are compairing sales growth of primaris against Stormcast but current storm cast sales growth as AoS has had what looks like from a 40k players perspective a bucket load of Sigmarine releases which are power creeping along with each release.

Primaris as a pure army don't work and they look terrible along side non primaris units, in my opinion.

I think primaris will come but I think the expectation on GW's side was a little optimistic.
It feels like deathguard got a lot more new releases compaired to Primaris.

I feel like the similarities between primaris and stormcast are pretty apt. Primaris seem like they're where stormcast were originally - a few units that are sort of cool but nothing with a real wow factor that build a somewhat limited list by themselves.

I personally didn't care for stormcast until Soul War came out, the new design of the releases with more robe/tabards to really give a feeling of movement to the minis helped a lot.

I think maybe something similar might help primaris. Have something like an angels release (Blood or Dark) to make some new primaris with more details, more cool bits and a broader range of units. I mean maybe the answer isn't as simple s 'just add robes' but those seem like they're big chapters that get a lot of love. Certainly they could do the same for Salamanders or Iron Hands, but I doubt they'd pick one of those chapters.

on the other hand a common complaint about the old skool marines was "too much bling" so...

Hence why I stick with older Mk armor. I don't like the Aquila on everyone's chest to be frank.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Basically, in a nutshell, they took the background of Legions/Chapters and sharted on it with Cawl - stale line of products, which happens to be their poster boy, but they know full well they won't get away with Centurion shenanigans again.

A spacemarine in a spacemarine.

I think the ocean needs it's salt back.

Space Marines are Space Marines, but at the same time when you start putting Primarch bits into them they become something more than just a Space Marine. I think this was the reason they went with the "Primaris" moniker, to link them to "Primarch".

I cracked through 2/3 of the Dark Imperium last night and where the Primaris show up I'm not seeing something awful (yet?). I'd at least give it a read to get a feel for them in a setting before cracking on about how awful they and Cawl are. Well that and to rip that bandage off and get over being saltier than the dead sea that GW is moving the setting from being landlocked in "11:59:59.999 to midnight" with dozens of events stacked atop each other and making Chaos a credible threat again, making the Imperium moving forward while still hanging over the brink and giving us a tech heretic (seriously, Cawl the Lesser is some serious heresy, much less what Cawl has done to his own mind) to potentially screw things up worse in the future.

The codex and the rulebook always provided the framework of a setting with just enough information to give that setting context, but the actual lore has always been more in the hands of the Black Library than the main studio (though the main studio gets finally say on what they acknowledge and ignore). Right now we have two or three books with Primaris marines (Dark Imperium, the Dark Angels one and ????), and while that isn't enough to really establish them in the setting compared to long running staples , it's not like they're heralding in any massive shift towards a brighter and happier Imperium. Things are somehow even worse than before despite the upgrades on these guys over the old line of Astartes and there is a definite tone of dissatisfaction with the Imperium held by those who can still remember the old Imperium, meaning that we have a plot element that could lead to Primaris Renegades in the future as well as more room to fit story elements into the current time line without stacking the deck even higher on the last possible second in M40.999

If you still don't like them after digging into their lore (instead of latching onto internet hyperbole about their fit into the game and the setting), cool. But doing some actual reading and looking past the barebones framework is part of learning about any faction in this game. As such I highly recommend people giving them a real chance instead of brushing them off as a waste of everything.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Banville wrote:
Yeah, I'm a fan of the new dudes, but I refuse to mix them with my Salamanders. I've a complete Battle Company of Primaris, mostly painted but even I think the fluff out-Herods Herod. It jumps so many sharks it's ridiculous. And the worst, worst thing about it is it skipped the entire interesting struggle. The Indomitus Crusade is actually over, for goodness sake. We never see these guys develop. We've lost scope to do a Grey Shields force, which might have been interesting. Primaris just arrived fully formed in a trumpet blast of Deus ex Machina half-assedness.

Skipping the Indomitus Crusade is a bit silly (then again GW skipped 10k years of events to include the Heresy back in the day, so one could see this as leaving room for the BL to step in and add events to the crusade without force feeding us propoganda style lore about how everyone is super best friends with the Primaris already), but the interesting struggle with Primaris is chapter by chapter intergration and I hear the Dark Angels book digs into that which is good.

I feel like as GW and the BL move forward the Primaris will feel more connected and organically part of the story than they do now. I think this is kind of like the Rogue Trader era of Primaris: they're new and not everything about them has been established yet meaning we still have room to see the idea become as fully formed as the other factions we're used to seeing in the setting.

Then again, considering gods muck with the setting on the regular, perhaps a Deus ex Machina is appropiate, especially when the Omnissiah is involved?

That's basically what I tell everyone with Cawl. He's not a Mary Sue whatsoever the single moment you go into his fluff. If anything he's kinda scary.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's basically what I tell everyone with Cawl. He's not a Mary Sue whatsoever the single moment you go into his fluff. If anything he's kinda scary.

The man gave himself brain surgery to improve his intelligence. This is followed by later absorbing the entirety of the knowledge of a senior Magos and her knowledge of cloning, meaning he doesn't just have everything he knows, but everything she knows too. I'd bet he won't stop at just her now that he's basically had a taste for eating the knowledge of others. If he devoured the knowledge of every Magos (and only the Magi as they're the only ones likely to be smart enough to be worth doing that to) that ever stood a major threat to him and his plans he'd basically be his own Forge World in terms of intellect (not to mention the amount of heresy rolling around in that mind would be scarier still).

He's a frikkin train wreck of tech heresy that only gets by because he knows how to keep his cards close to his chest and knows how to lie well enough that Guilliman can't do more than suspect him.

Cawl's inclusion in the modern lore is a suprise because he's new to us, but the Black Library have already been taking great care into making him a legitimate inclusion in the setting, and a walking time bomb of heretek proportions.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's basically what I tell everyone with Cawl. He's not a Mary Sue whatsoever the single moment you go into his fluff. If anything he's kinda scary.

The man gave himself brain surgery to improve his intelligence. This is followed by later absorbing the entirety of the knowledge of a senior Magos and her knowledge of cloning, meaning he doesn't just have everything he knows, but everything she knows too. I'd bet he won't stop at just her now that he's basically had a taste for eating the knowledge of others. If he devoured the knowledge of every Magos (and only the Magi as they're the only ones likely to be smart enough to be worth doing that to) that ever stood a major threat to him and his plans he'd basically be his own Forge World in terms of intellect (not to mention the amount of heresy rolling around in that mind would be scarier still).

He's a frikkin train wreck of tech heresy that only gets by because he knows how to keep his cards close to his chest and knows how to lie well enough that Guilliman can't do more than suspect him.

Cawl's inclusion in the modern lore is a suprise because he's new to us, but the Black Library have already been taking great care into making him a legitimate inclusion in the setting, and a walking time bomb of heretek proportions.

not onlky suspect but so far Cawl's managed to make himself USEFUL eneugh that getting ridda him is a bad thing, Cawl represents one of the little sacrifices Gulliman has had to make, and time will tell if it works out or blows up on him

BrianDavion wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
That's basically what I tell everyone with Cawl. He's not a Mary Sue whatsoever the single moment you go into his fluff. If anything he's kinda scary.

The man gave himself brain surgery to improve his intelligence. This is followed by later absorbing the entirety of the knowledge of a senior Magos and her knowledge of cloning, meaning he doesn't just have everything he knows, but everything she knows too. I'd bet he won't stop at just her now that he's basically had a taste for eating the knowledge of others. If he devoured the knowledge of every Magos (and only the Magi as they're the only ones likely to be smart enough to be worth doing that to) that ever stood a major threat to him and his plans he'd basically be his own Forge World in terms of intellect (not to mention the amount of heresy rolling around in that mind would be scarier still).

He's a frikkin train wreck of tech heresy that only gets by because he knows how to keep his cards close to his chest and knows how to lie well enough that Guilliman can't do more than suspect him.

Cawl's inclusion in the modern lore is a suprise because he's new to us, but the Black Library have already been taking great care into making him a legitimate inclusion in the setting, and a walking time bomb of heretek proportions.

not onlky suspect but so far Cawl's managed to make himself USEFUL eneugh that getting ridda him is a bad thing, Cawl represents one of the little sacrifices Gulliman has had to make, and time will tell if it works out or blows up on him

Guilliman's story so far seems to be made of dozens of little sacrifices that are piling up on him. Cawl is probably could form a pile all own his own of those.

And this all isn't to dismiss why people might be mad about Primaris (seriously though, it's been over a year now, maybe it's time to put down the cross and give them a chance), but rather to show that the lore is branching out beyond "LOOK HOW GREAT THE NEW STUFF IS!!!!one11!". The tensions for the new guys aren't even limited to chapters being unsure about the new kids, but the Primaris themselves being unsure about the new Imperium as much as they are about these chapters that are so dramatically different than the legions of old.

And tension will only build so long before we see some kind of conflict. Maybe the BL will be the source of handling all of this, maybe it'll be a campaign, or something to do with a Primarch returning and dividing loyalties further when they side against Guilliman due to how he seems to be emulating the Emperor every step he takes.

On a serious note I would like to see a plain Jane grav Rhino-esque transport, maybe only 1 Gatling Cannon...

Actually about these Gatling Cannon weapons, that is what I want more of from P-Marines! Maybe a bolter version, Heavy6 S4 AP1? Give it to Intercessor Squads in the Primaris Codex. Call it a Gatling Bolter. Hell, give me a squad of Heavy Support Marines who pack Gatling Cannons and I'll be in heaven!

Other than that I guess I just want an updated SM line that has the Primaris aesthetic, maaaybe even a new armour mark just to give us some flavour?

 darkcloak wrote:
On a serious note I would like to see a plain Jane grav Rhino-esque transport, maybe only 1 Gatling Cannon...

Actually about these Gatling Cannon weapons, that is what I want more of from P-Marines! Maybe a bolter version, Heavy6 S4 AP1? Give it to Intercessor Squads in the Primaris Codex. Call it a Gatling Bolter. Hell, give me a squad of Heavy Support Marines who pack Gatling Cannons and I'll be in heaven!

Other than that I guess I just want an updated SM line that has the Primaris aesthetic, maaaybe even a new armour mark just to give us some flavour?

Actually the Gatling Cannon idea sounds neat. I mean HH had the Rotor Cannon filling a similar role so it could be a viable move for the Primaris since they seem to be a copy of the old Legions in concept.

I really like the Gatling Cannon platform. I think it should be an outright replacement for the Heavy Bolter and the Assault Cannon in the new SM line. You could have a light, medium and heavy version, maybe even give PMs access to the Heavy Gatling Cannon as a sort of Thunderfire platform. Have those reclusive PM Techmarines man it!

Oh yeah, I forgot, it's the Onslaught Gatling Cannon... Hey GW! Moar Onslaught Gatling Cannons!!

I'm confident that we'll see more Primaris releases next year. I don't think the line has been a failure, just a slow adoption - there's a considerable number of 40K players (coming back) who have no need to buy into what is essentially presented as a new (sub)army.

I do hope GW will wise up an allow regular SM Terminators in the Repulsor, and let Primaris in the Rhino and Land Raiders (officially, I'm already doing it in my games).

As I did state before, I agree they need access to some sort of bikes. I'm confused why they didn't make Gravis armor simply be Terminator armor, but they could use a Terminatoresque unit.

I'm always a fan of vehicles, and with the Primaris Repulsor essentially being a take on the Razorback*, I'd like to see what their equivalent of a Land Raider might be (NOT the FW tank, though).

* If I were to compare it to modern vehicles, I'd say its a take on the Bradley AFV (or it's British equivilant), like the Rhino was a take on a M113.

Right, let's see what holes are in the Primaris 'list', then. (By the way, I'd absolutely love to see some of the Ultima Founding chapters rebel against what the Imperium has become. Not against humanity or the Emperor but against the High Lords)

Anti horde? Aggressors.
Anti armour? Hellblasters, Repulsors, Dreads. (All expensive options)
Anti elite infantry? Hellblasters, Dreads, Repulsors. Inceptors.
Board Control? Reivers. Inceptors.
Assault troops? None really. Unless you count Reivers (Limp-wristed) or Aggressors (not enough attacks) Dreads (not enough attacks)
Transport? Severely lacking.
Artillery? None.
Air support? None.

So, I'd like to see an APC, some sort of Basilisk equivalent. And an attack chopper/strike fighter.

Also, rule of cool demands what other people have been saying, an entire unit armed with rotor cannons. It worked for the legions. Their motto could be, 'I ain't got time to bleed.'

Anything at this point. The Primaris release has been a realllly odd one. The Aggressor and the Repulsor are literally the only new units they've had since they first dropped in Dark Imperium, unless you consider the reskins of Cap/Libby/Apothecary. They've been starved of new models & units compared to DG, who were released at the same time.

I'd like to see heavy options for troops, grav-bikes, a cheap transport, an actual CC unit that can do anything except punch GEQs, etc. There's a lot of new ground for them to cover, and currently the big new reboot of 40k's central faction has been treading water for over a year.

(None of this is to comment on what is 'right' or 'fair' in comparison to the neglected factions - just a comment upon GW's reboot of the flagship faction of their flagship game.)

I know people often comment on bikes being something they want, but doe Primaris Marines really NEED Bikes? I've always felt the interceptor squad is more a Primaris Bike equivilant then a Primaris Assault squad equivilant. when you stop looking at the jet pack and just focus on what it can do you'll see what I mean

BrianDavion wrote:
I know people often comment on bikes being something they want, but doe Primaris Marines really NEED Bikes? I've always felt the interceptor squad is more a Primaris Bike equivilant then a Primaris Assault squad equivilant. when you stop looking at the jet pack and just focus on what it can do you'll see what I mean

Agreed. I'd like to see more Inceptor loadouts, including melee ones. Personally I'd love a power lance and storm shield, I think that would look super badass.

Stux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I know people often comment on bikes being something they want, but doe Primaris Marines really NEED Bikes? I've always felt the interceptor squad is more a Primaris Bike equivilant then a Primaris Assault squad equivilant. when you stop looking at the jet pack and just focus on what it can do you'll see what I mean

Agreed. I'd like to see more Inceptor loadouts, including melee ones. Personally I'd love a power lance and storm shield, I think that would look super badass.

I definatly think a storm shield and some kind of power weapon would be the way to go. it'd be pretty limited in use by and alrge due to lack of mobility but it'd look nice and proably be handy in the right situation.