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Davor wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings.

Empire Strikes back?

You forgot Last Jedi.

I wanted to avoid derailing the thread with a discussion on TLJ which is.. obviously controversial.

The Newman wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.

Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.

I’m sure at least have of does ispared warhammer 40k and not the other way around

Konradleijon wrote:

The Newman wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
And it would Bomb so hard do you think the mainstream audience would be to a setting where the closest thing that aren’t the Taur to ‘hero’s’ that are basically space Nazi and would have a downer ending do you know how many successful Si-Fi over one hundred millions dollar movies have downer endings. You could probly count them on one hand.

Event Horizon. The last two Alien movies, and arguably Aliens. Starwars episodes 3 and 5. Infinity War part 1. The Twilight Zone. The Wrath of Khan. Adjusted for inflation I'm pretty sure you could include The Fly, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, and Planet of the Apes.

I’m sure at least have of does ispared warhammer 40k and not the other way around

He challenged the room to come up with more than five big-budget sci-fi movies with downer endings. I took him up on it. Nothing to do with what was inspired by what, which is not to say that you're probably not correct.

We can't help but be hopeful. I know Warcraft movie was pretty bad and as a Warcraft fan I personally don't like the fact they adapt the first game instead of the current events. It portrays the Orcs as mostly mindless savages who serve the Demons and Gul'dan.

I don't really like the Ultramarine animated movie either. It's very low quality.

Still, the 40k universe is very vast and the potential for a good movie is definitely there. They just have to aim for the general audience rather than die-hard fanboys which, let's face it, we are all die-hard fanboys around here. If a 40k movie comes out, it might not be what we want, but what the people not knowing about 40k will appreciate.


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 Brutus_Apex wrote:
40K I don't think could ever have a successful movie franchise.

In order to make them properly, you're looking at Disney money. No other company right now has the kind of cash to put forth a beautiful looking sci fi/fantasy style movie except Disney on the scale of 40K, except Blade Runner 2049 which was incredibly beautiful but ultimately bombed at the box office. Nobody would take a risk on it, there's already been several sci fi/fantasy franchises that bombed, some that were even good movies.

On top of that Disney wouldn't touch the 40K IP with a 30 foot barge pole, It's way too dark.

Plus the only directors that I can see that would actually make the film dark enough to stay true to the lore would be like David Fincher or Darron Aronofski.

The film would have to be Action/Horror like Aliens, but having a movie like that doesn't usually translate to big bucks at the box office considering that GW is really pushing the mainstream thing right now.

Warhammer is just too dark and brutal for the average person to enjoy. And I would hate to see it watered down to appeal to a wider audience, something thats happening way too much already.

Keep Warhammer grimdark.

Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....).

It boils down to how well you make the movie rather than the quality of the source material. Guardian of the Galaxy was pretty obscure until the movie came out.

I like it when it gets dark. Too many movies are making it too bright to the point where the good guys are always good and the bad guys are always bad. If you are talking about being dark for the sake of being dark, then it's complete crap. That's not grimdark, that's grimdumb. Anyone enjoying it are probably jobless with no marriage and just wants to take revenge on society.

People are thinking of if it could be done. Not if it should be done

bibotot wrote:
...Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....)....

Not to be too snarky or anything, but I'm guessing you don't realize Starship Troopers was a deliberate take-down of standard pro-military films. The terrible pacing, bad characters, and poor military decisions are very deliberate, and it's making fun of "military porn" rather than trying to use it to somehow save itself.

The Newman wrote:

bibotot wrote:
...Well, Beuna Vista did make Starship Trooper and it is now part of Disney. That being said, Starship Trooper bombed at the box office. It has some cool scenes but the pacing it horrible, the characters are bad and no amount of military porn can save its stupidity (no aircraft attack before the invasion, no scouting, no tank, no orbital bombardment, no mech suit until the 3rd movie....)....

Not to be too snarky or anything, but I'm guessing you don't realize Starship Troopers was a deliberate take-down of standard pro-military films. The terrible pacing, bad characters, and poor military decisions are very deliberate, and it's making fun of "military porn" rather than trying to use it to somehow save itself.

Indeed - I enjoy it immensely for itself but can also see the clever satire

If Hollywood got there greasy mits on it what would they changed

I Don’t think we’ll get a imperial Guard movie.

If a Movie person wants to make a Film about a bunch of Soilders .going thought horrid odds couldn’t they just set it in World War 2

Having a normal human as the protagonist is pretty much mandatory for the movie to work. In a universe full of genetic superhumans, chaos warped monsters and countless other aliens and monstrosities you need someone the audience can relate to.

This recruit just wants to survive, to protect and help his/her family. He's no nazi or fanatic, he's not even that into the imperial cult and doctrine. But as a regular citizen in this crazy World, what are your options?

It would also be very cool if through his struggle the movie shows how absolutely gak it is to live in this nazi-Inquisition regime. And then you find out, there is a better way. Equality, freedom, down with those imperial tyrants. The audience roots for the little guy against the evil elite. And then... our protagonist finds out, it's a chaos cult! But too late! Demons, Sorcerors, Chaos Space Marines, they butcher everyone. Then drop pods start raining from the sky. BAMM!! The Loyalists are here. Massive battle and action!
Our protagonist survives by the skin of his teeth. And then the audience realizes: The Imperium may be a shithole, but in this grimdark universe, it's the only way if humanity wants to survive.
Maybe at the end our protagonist gets recruited by the Space Marine chapter for his valiant fighting. Oh but no happy ending. Some good guys may survive, but the planet has to be lost to the warp...

Huh that got long...

Yeah but what your describing a ordinary dude in a terrible circumstance is really common. Why would a studio go though all the trouble of aquireing The 40k license to make a movie about a normal dude facing terrible odds and coming out alive but his home sufferings horbly

 Formosa wrote:
Hollywood hell no!!!

Bollywood 40k for the win, dem harlequins can DANCE!


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I remember a few years ago someone tried to work out how many players there were, they estimated around 800k to 1.2m, so let’s assume they all go to the cinema in the U.K. at around £20 per person (cinema is expensive here), that’s 200m odd, that doesn’t include all the others that would be dragged in, so a decent budget of 100m for an inquisition movie or such would make its money back possibly, god forbid it’s actually good and it attracts even more people though.

Franchises don't need to always be known by the larger audience. You think half the people that saw any of those crap Hunger Games movies read the books or even heard of them before the movie?

Probably your only safe bet would be Peter Jackson doing the HH split over a trilogy a la Lord of the Rings

Part 1 - Great crusade kicks off ending with Istvaan

Part 2 - Calth and the 500 worlds plus a bit of narrative

Part 3 - Seige of Terra

Just my 2p

I'd rather see a necromunda movie, really.
That's much easier to do than a proper 40k movie, as the scale isn't as absurdly large.

Gangers are human, so you don't have to worry about making Space Marines and aliens look good. Hive Cities are cramped, urban environments, which are pretty easy to manage. Just look at both Judge Dredd movies for inspiration.
Hell, Necromunda takes most of its inspiration from Judge Dredd.

Konradleijon wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.​

If

Or, now bear with me on this one....OR, because Hollywood has the ability to make a truly amazing movie and on top of that it might open the door to a new wave of gamers, thereby bringing more people into our community. I would love it if I had more opponents in my local area.

Something all of you are forgetting that warhammer 40k is actually really stupid and childish.in the same way that 90,s era image comics where childish because people think if something has Lots of blood and death and sex and general Nastiness makes something automatically more mature it’s not .and that’s why most comic book fans look back at that era with laughter and deride

SemperMortis wrote:

Konradleijon wrote:
I’m sure you’ll guys can think of more ways Hollywood would feth it up.[img]

It seems to my The only reason anybody cares about such adaptations in the First place is because of obsessive fanboyism and the age-old insecurity issues of animation, comics, Tabletop games, fantasy books and video games- the asinine idea that they're not real art and need a big boy medium like Film to have their visions truly realized.​

If

Or, now bear with me on this one....OR, because Hollywood has the ability to make a truly amazing movie and on top of that it might open the door to a new wave of gamers, thereby bringing more people into our community. I would love it if I had more opponents in my local area.

What was the last "amazing" movie made?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

What was the last "amazing" movie made?

Wonder Woman.


But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.

It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.

I do not want a 'Hollywood' movie for 40k.

You know what I want? An animated show. A 'Story of the Week' 40k show, done sort of like Tales from the Crypt or the Twilight Zone. Maybe even have a live-action Inquisitor narrator that introduces the show in-character.

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

What was the last "amazing" movie made?

Wonder Woman.


But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.

It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.

Wonder Woman was good, but "amazing"? I don't know. I just hope Aquaman is at least almost as good, so that when I make fun of Aquaman I'll annoy even more people. Off topic of course but Aquaman fans are very fun to annoy.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

What was the last "amazing" movie made?

Wonder Woman.


But I really don't think standard Hollywood hero movie would do justice to 40K, even though many people seem to want a big budget actions film about Space Marines being super and heroic. That would be the most boring thing they could do.

It should be absurd and dark, bordering comedy. Films like Sin City, Dredd (2012) and Brazil have the sort of elements 40K film should have.

Wonder Woman was good, but "amazing"? I don't know. I just hope Aquaman is at least almost as good, so that when I make fun of Aquaman I'll annoy even more people. Off topic of course but Aquaman fans are very fun to annoy.

Agreed, Wonder Woman is only "amazing" by comparison to the rest of the DCEU and its cultural significance for female empowerment. Other than that its a bang average film with few original plot points, average acting, terrible CGI movement and one decently choreographed fight moment although still filmed in slow motion to hide the fact that its CGI.

Wonder Woman or any superhero film would be the absolute worst way to go. 40k would need to follow an Aliens or Starship Troopers vibe, invoking the horror and terror of hordes of alien monsters, but without the incompetance of the Colonial Marines and killing off half the characters in the first act. Imagine a squad of Deathwatch having to creep through the bowels of a Hive Hab and face swarms of Genestealers along the way?

Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.

 Crimson wrote:
Who cares about Deathwatch? They're fearless superdudes. Put human characters in that situation. If it is an inquisitorial retinue you can have one marine for contrast.

I don't play 40k for humans surviving against the odds. There are many franchises with humans vs aliens. In reality, a 40k movie starring regular humans would just be Ex Machina after Ex Machina to explain how they managed to survive a rampaging Carnifex, or how they stabbed the Ork in the eye RIGHT BEFORE IT KILLED HIM, and the Ork didn't just shrug it off with a laugh.

Humans are the most mundane, boring part of the franchise. If a 40k movie was made, an all-human movie would A) not be good B) not delve deep enough into the uniqueness of the lore to interest audiences. THe mainstream critics and viewers would deem it another Aliens rip off and not a great one at that, and killed off any further attempts at a 40k movie.

A cast consisting of Space Marines kicking ass, humans dying and aliens doing wierd alien things would be the way to go. Like how the Horus Heresy novels sprinkle in some human chapters to break up the monotonous Astartes chapters

Yeah, sorry but you have terrible taste. Space Marines are boring as feth. Stoic fearless superdudes are fine for a wargame but make poor characters for a film.

 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, sorry but you have terrible taste. Space Marines are boring as feth. Stoic fearless superdudes are fine for a wargame but make poor characters for a film.

Marvel and Disney disagree. DC might agree with you.


Superhero movies prove that superhumans can be appealing and also that they are more widely appealling. Not everyone can get on board with 40ks nihilistic lore, so having a bunch of superhuman warriors fighting back a tide of aliens and saving the noble soldiers on their last legs - very Avengers, very appealing to a mass market.

Just look at the popularity of war films vs superhero films. One is niche, one is mainstream.

If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.

What We are really wanting from a hollywood release:

1) A social event where our fandom is front and center
2) The news talking about our fandom as an exciting thing and not a secret cabal devoted to creating mass murderers
3) A vehicle for introducing/explaining our fandom to all our friends and relatives without us lifting a finger.
4) Hordes of new players that got excited after seeing the movie and swell our gaming club's numbers and (hence) survivability for years of drop-in gaming

What we'll regret:
1) Each and every minor historical detail that no one cared about until the movie was made and didn't include it
2) The lack of inclusion about some favorite space marine chapter we love
3) The various boycotts that will flood the boards insisting the movie fix or include some minor detail
4) The hordes of new players won't give a damn about what matt ward said in 1997. They'll want female space marines and will have the numbers and spending habits to make it happen.
5) The hordes of new players won't care about your Primaris Space Marine anguish. They weren't around when space dwarves were a thing, and don't care how the fiction has or has not evolved.


Given any fandom a chance, they will demand a movie and then complain about the results until they self-destruct their own fandom. It's inevitable. Even franchises that start out as movies include this timer to self-destruction.

Hang on, wind back to Guillermo Del Toro - correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he do Pacific Rim? Just add skulls, and you've got Titanicus - The Movie.

Boner time.

 Crimson wrote:
If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.

This so much. There is nothing wrong with having a setting that is fun and positive. That's not 40k though and making movie that removes just how soul crushing a universe this is misses the point and appeal of the setting. That said I'd say the best way to do a movie is to adopt part of the Eisenhorn books. You'd get a good glimpse of the verse, can balance that the Imperium is dangerous but not a complete gak hole and can have almost any faction how up for at least a cameo.

 Crimson wrote:
If you cannot get on board with 'the nihilistic lore' then don't bother. I'm sure there are plenty of twelve-year-olds who would like to see heroic marine bolter porn, but there is no need to waste money producing such trash.

Just because you don't want it doesn't mean its trash. I for one think the Imperial Guard are boring. I love the nihilistic lore, but let's think logically for a moment. Movies must make money. WW1 but with laser guns and aliens instead of Germans will make no money. Elite superhuman squad of alien hunting badasses inflitrating a giant living ship, or an hulk of space debris billions of miles long, or trying to take down a Tau defense from behind enemy lines. It would have enouhg characters to be interest but not so many that they become irrelevant and can die within 4 secs.