Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
Times and dates in your local timezone.
Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now.
2018/10/20 15:43:50
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
I want new Slaanesh stuff. Which is in the works. We’ve had teases, seen the new fiends...we know it’s coming. So I’m getting what I want soon. As far as the game itself goes...just from the one game I’ve played (and lost, btw), I massively prefer it over the abomination that was 6th, and the deathstar heavy 7th. This actually feels like a thinking man’s game now. Any schmuck (me included) could drop a Screamerstar with Kairos and walk through everything in the way. This game takes more skill and more combo-building. Plus the easy build and regular list build are way more friendly; I can take the time to crunch a list, or I can do it on easy mode with PL for a faster start time. 8th is a giant win in my book.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
Manchu wrote:I'm a Catholic. We eat our God.
Due to work, I can usually only ship any sales or trades out on Saturday morning. Please trade/purchase with this in mind.
2018/10/20 17:19:13
Subject: Re:Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
BlaxicanX wrote: Bittersweet, ultimately. Conceptually the new edition and the forwarding of the fluff were good ideas. But in execution both projects left something to be desired. 8th edition still has balance issues, and what should have been the defining moment for the Imperial Guard and Chaos ended up just being used as another opportunity to fellate Space Marines with Guilliman's return and the advent of Primaris.
This, pretty much. And the really silly, awkward lore around the Primaris ruins a lot of what would have been a great edition (and great new Space Marine models). Why couldn't they have updated the Space Marine with sweet new Primaris-sized models instead of making it a separate thing? That, and the fact that these new Primaris are stealing the spotlight is what really irks me about the new edition. The Primaris fluff just needs to be burned and quietly forgotten about imho.
Error 404: Interesting signature not found
2018/10/20 19:41:51
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
meleti wrote: Of all the hills to die on, fire arcs?
At least for vehicles.
Correct me if I'm wrong (& then point me to the relevant page/FAQ/Errata), but a vehicle here in 8th can trace LoS & shoot you with any of its weapons from any point on the model. Regardless of where/how those weapons are actually modeled.
So when you're tank has a hull mounted gun (Ex: A SM Vindicators cannon) sticking out of its front, & you then shoot me with it out of the rear end of your tank, are you surprised when I feel like I've returned to a ruleset designed for simpletons?
I think even simpletons can recognise front. Back. Left. Right.
Apparently not.
2018/10/20 20:01:19
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
meleti wrote: Of all the hills to die on, fire arcs?
At least for vehicles.
Correct me if I'm wrong (& then point me to the relevant page/FAQ/Errata), but a vehicle here in 8th can trace LoS & shoot you with any of its weapons from any point on the model. Regardless of where/how those weapons are actually modeled.
So when you're tank has a hull mounted gun (Ex: A SM Vindicators cannon) sticking out of its front, & you then shoot me with it out of the rear end of your tank, are you surprised when I feel like I've returned to a ruleset designed for simpletons?
I think even simpletons can recognise front. Back. Left. Right.
Apparently not.
Not simpletons. For people who have the imagination to understand the rules are an abstraction of a chaotic battlefield.
2018/10/21 00:04:13
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2018/10/21 00:06:00
If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain.
2018/10/22 06:59:35
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
Brutus_Apex wrote: []I’ll preface my answer by saying that 8th for me is subjectely more enjoyable than the last few editions. That being said...
The core rule book is a mess because they just took the rules bloat of 7th and distributed it around individual unit cards instead of having universal special rules which make it more disorganized.
8th is not more streamlined, the rules are all still a mess, you just have to dig harder to find them.
I never once wanted them to advance the storyline, and I think by adding primaris and the primarchs to the game, they have basically ruined the a lot of what made 40k cool and interesting.
For every good thing they did in 8th, they’ve done something wrong, so we’re still stuck with a fairly bad rules set. That being said I commend GW for making an effort this time..
[]
/thread
Agree with everything here. I'll repeat what I always say (mainly about the utter absurdity of the OP's comment on the background)- 40k was never a storyline. It was a setting, it a was a conscious change that happened circa mid 6th ed IIRC. Why? I've no idea. You say 40k was "stagnant and boring". You had 10,000 years of history to play in. On a galactic scale of untold thousands of worlds. You know what 10,000 years is? That is longer than recorded human history so far. Is our own history "stagnant and boring"? Absolutely not. And that is just talking about one planet.
I fail to see how a massive sandbox with almost infinite potential for stories to be told in it can be "stagnant and boring".
Just to be clear, I've always been of the same opinion as you that 40k should be seen as a setting rather than a story line. The same goes for "stagnant and boring;" I've never found 40k to be either. I never agreed with that statement about the background either; I was just sharing what I thought to be the prevailing opinion of the community at the time. Apologies if I didn't make that clear.
txaggieof08 wrote:This is from a 3rd(early 4th) edition player trying to muddle their way back in to this edition. These are my OPINIONS, and just that....I'm entitled to them, y'all are entitled to call me an angry old woman yelling at the clouds!
No worries mate; your opinions are precisely what I asked for!
2018/10/22 07:40:05
Subject: Did you guys (mostly) get what you wanted?
