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Sororitas Exorcist tank. Im not talking the glorified whirlwind from FW, i mean the awesome pipe organ one. Love love love that model.

Storm bolters i hate. I dont know what it is about it, but i just cant stand it.

Land Speeders. Love the models, but haven't fielded one seriously in a looong time.

Assault Marines, same as above.

HATE:
Cato Sicarius.
Shrike.
Mephiston.
Grimnars Sleigh.
Wulfren.
Murderfang dread.
Cyberwolf.
Those jump pack primaris.
Dreadknights.
Stormtalon.
Ratlings.
Leman Russ MBT.
Plastic Cadians.
Plastic Catachans.
Scions.
Taurox.
Abbadon.
Khorne Bezerkers.
Helldrake.
Chaos Predators.
Chaos Vindicators.
Chaos Land Raiders.
Chaos Rhinos.
Ghost Ark.
Plastic Stealth suits.
Gorkanaught.
Tyranid Dog Penis thing.
75% of all things FW

LIKE:
Grey Knight Terminators.
Hellbrutes.
Sentinels.
Macharius Vanquisher.
Lascannon or battle cannon Malcador.
Valdor Tank Destroyer.
Crisis Suits.
Farsight.
Grot Tanks.
Monolith.

drbored wrote:
I hate chaos cultists. I think they don't work as intended in the Chaos marine book and their models are pretty much nonexistent right now. I can't even convert up cultist models because there's no good source of laspistols or autopistols in GW model form. They frustrate me on a hundred different levels and I doubt that a new kit will improve them. I honestly hope they just get nerfed out of existence.

Ummmmm......

If you look outside of GW, Heresy miniatures are your friend.

Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.

In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.

ValentineGames wrote:
HATE:
Leman Russ MBT.
Plastic Cadians.

Lol, you would hate my army then.

 Trickstick wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
HATE:
Leman Russ MBT.
Plastic Cadians.

Lol, you would hate my army then.

It's not your fault GW makes gak models

ValentineGames wrote:
It's not your fault GW makes gak models

Taste is subjective I guess, I quite like them. I do prefer the older Leman Russ models though, with the larger turrets. I really like the old Demolisher, which came with metal turret parts and looks quite beefy. If I was going to start my army again though I would go for the dkok mars alpha russes. Those things look so much better. I have one as a commander though, which sort of fits thematically.

The plastic cadians aren't actually bad once you swap the heads, at least to me, I like the Pig Iron Productions Kolony Militia heads personally, but they look good with lots of other ones too. The basic Cadian heads though do look...awful.

Centurions - Don't want them, won't buy them - the same with the Marine flyers.
Thunderwolves - same
Wulfen - same
Logan's sleigh - same
GK baby carrier - same

 Vaktathi wrote:
The basic Cadian heads though do look...awful.

Heresy! I actually quite like them.

- I love the DE Mandrake models. The only thing I find sad is that they're just 1-wound infantry with no HQ.

- Scourges are also really nice. I think their wings are splendid, I like their poses, and I also really like their heads. In addition to being great models in and of themselves, they're fantastic for use in conversions.

- They're really old, but I still like the IG Vostroyan models. I just think they have a really great and really unusual design.

- Incubi. The helmets along are fantastic.

- The old Archon model (the finecast one). I think it had a fantastic design and (IMO) looks vastly better than the new one. Probably why GW is still using its image on the DE codices, even though it's no longer available to buy.

 ashcroft wrote:
Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.

In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who really doesn't like the new Celestine model.

 ashcroft wrote:
Saint Celestine. It pains me to say so, seeing as she's the first new Sisters model in over a decade and as such should have been an insta-buy for me, but it's just too overdone for my taste, and looks more like a display piece than part of a tabletop army.

In general I avoid any model that comes with it's own scenery or is otherwise bigger/taller than it really needs to be - the imperial assassins and the harlequins are other offenders.

yeah seconded on the Celestine model, thankfully there are great third party alternatives

Definately hate the New DE Talos, i just prefer the old Scorpion model over the fleshcraft thing it is now.

Really Really hate the current daemonette models, well most of the current slaanesh line in general

DE scourges are pretty good models, wish they gave you 3/3 of each wing instead of 3/2

Ogryn and ratlings... for an Imperium that prides itself on exterminating the mutant, they sure are awfully accepting of human offshoot races . Models look pretty awful too, with the possible exception of the ogryn bodyguard.

Love:
- Just about everything that's ever been released for Craftworlds (aside from a handful of notable exceptions like the 3rd ed Striking Scorpions). Particular highlights are the Falcon chassis, Forgeworld Avatar(s), Crimson Hunter, Wraithlord & FW Super Heavy grav tanks.
- Land Raiders
- Trygon
- Ghostkeel
- Mk4 Maximus Marines
- Terminators in general (though they could use a better kit)
- Terminator chaplain
- Valkyrie
- Warlord Titan
- Deathwatch Kill Team
- Artemis
- Leviathan Dread
- Sternguard
- Killa Kans
- Gretchin
- FW Vulkan
- FW Firedrakes
- Pedro Kantor
- Questoris Knights
- Kataphrons
- Secutarii
- Mandrakes

Hate:
- Everything wolfy in the Space Wolves line - Grimnar's sleigh, Wulfen, Thunderwolves etc. Just too cheesy and I massively preferred SW when they were just viking marines.
- Stormraven (flying brick).
- Primaris Inceptors (what were they thinking?)
- Primaris Repulsor (somebody in the design team asked their 6 year old what would be cool and then made it)
- Primaris Redemptor (beer belly)
- Centurions (scraping the barrel)
- Khorne Beserkers (aged horribly)
- Anything CSM that's basically identical to the loyalist version but with extra spikes (spikes for the evulz)
- Lord of Skulls (just ridiculous)
- Catachans and Cadians (horrible proportions, and I like my guard somewhat archaic rather than 'modern')
- Deredeo (it's got a boat for a body)

Love, From the Imperial Guard:
You will never part me from my Russes, old or new. The old kit was better, but it's hard to improve on perfection
The Baneblade is also a work of art. Big, chunky art, but art nonetheless.
The old range of metal commissars from around 5th were pretty much all great. The newer plastic one? Not so much.
Kasrkin are my favourite models in the game, hands down.
Basilisks and FW Hydras make the honour roll.

Everyone else:

Metal Sternguard and Vanguard. Beautiful models.
Grey Knights, both PA and Terminator. Old metals and new plastics.
The Terminator Chaplain and Librarian, again the older metal models rather than plastic replacements.
Kabalite Warriors. Maybe it's the edgy teenage phase never quite leaving, but I always thought they looked damn cool.
Fire Warriors basically got me into 40K aesthetically.
1K sons look dope today, looked dope when I started a decade back.
Celestine and the backup dancers are the best 40K pop band

If I played Eldar, the Fire Prism, Wraithlord, Scorpions and Dark Reapers would probably all be on here, or at least honour roll.

The Hate List:

Plastic Hydras. Open turret? Ew.
Ratlings: Never liked the shortasses.
Ogryn: Nope.
Tempestus Scions: Please give me my Kasrkin models back.
Taurox: Another vote against the Taurox. Even wheels don't help, IMO.
Everything Space Wolves. It stopped being about the Viking stuff loooong ago...
Primaris: Largely because of the fluff, but I actually prefer the shorter marines.
Flying Primaris: Look more like they're going to perform maintenance on the ISS.
Rievers: Stop cosplaying Ghost already. That game's a decade old, it's not funny.
Khorne Berzerkers: Aged like a fine pint of milk.
Orks, except maybe two or three models. Paradoxically, I also love Orks, so...


The Stormlord barely misses the hate list, barely. I'd probably like it more if the VMB was turret mounted instead. Hull mounted? Ew, forget it. And does no one love the humble Rhino?

w1zard wrote:
Ogryn and ratlings... for an Imperium that prides itself on exterminating the mutant, they sure are awfully accepting of human offshoot races . Models look pretty awful too, with the possible exception of the ogryn bodyguard.

The abhuman lore is actually quite interesting. Let us just say that they are not that accepting, and that the classification of human sub-species is rather complicated and the "rights" that they are afforded are quite limited.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
The old range of metal commissars from around 5th were pretty much all great. The newer plastic one? Not so much.

I just don't understand what you are supposed to do if you want more than one Commissar. Assuming that the classic ones disappear at some point, you have a plastic kit with only a single pose. If you use more than one they would just look weird.

 liquidjoshi wrote:
The Stormlord barely misses the hate list, barely. I'd probably like it more if the VMB was turret mounted instead. Hull mounted? Ew, forget it.

I hate that thing. I blame the fact that it was the meta-build for the shadowsword kit when it came out. I have my shadowsword built specifically so I can only switch between the 3 non-transport variants. I really just hated people using it with 20 lascannons firing out of the back. How on earth would you get that many lascannons on the firing deck? If you want a VMB tank, go for the Macharius Vulcan. That model is really nice, and probably the best Macharius variant rules-wise.

Love the Canoptek Tomb Stalker/Sentinel and use one even if the rules aren't very good. One of the best models FW has ever done IMO, although it's also one of the most delicate, infuriating things you will ever put together.

I wish GW would incorporate it into their main plastic line

This thread is doing a good job of reminding me that i love the ogryns and ratlings! I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could. The ogryn models especially have been some of my favorites for a long time.

Also, I love the sentinels and chimeras.

Negativety... hmm...

A bunch of other people have mentioned them and yeah, I don't care much for the inceptors. Not a fan of how they look, and they were surprisingly unpleasant to build.

 amazingturtles wrote:
I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could.

Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.

Oh I forgot to do my hate list....

What I hate

Armiger Knight Warglaive
Armiger Knight Helverin
Knight Paladin
Knight Errant
Knight Crusader
Knight Gallant
Knight Warden
Knight Preceptor
Knight Styrix
Knight Magaera
Knight Castellan
Knight Valiant
Vindicator
Whirlwind
Attack Bikes
Land speeder
Stormtalon
Stormhawk
Dark Eldar Dark Lances
Shadowsword
Stompas
Anything Associated with Ynnari

Why Knights or big vehicles? Because they have no place in normal matched play most of these should only belong in Apocalypse games. This "Everything can be played in matched play." Ruined the entire meta. Once you add big walkers onto the field your space marines start to suck. I'm sorry knight players but you have no place in Competitive Tournaments or matched play. If knights were balanced sure! But they aren't, they are super tanky, and kill literally everything on the field setting up an entire meta around them.

"Can your army deal with knights?"

If no your army is not competitive and will die.

"Can you army deal with dark eldar / ynnari?"

Well, you're going to die. Its a shame cause I love Eldar but they should not have access to an outright broken army, the flexibility afforded to the Ynnari range is far too much. (as are most soup / allied lists).

Sorry rant but most models from the ynnari range make me angry because I rather them have their own faction and their own models that they call their own not stealing the best units from all the eldar factions.

Whirlwinds, Vindicators, Stormhawks, Storm Talons... I just think they are bad models TBH. Vindicator is never used and is one of the worst space marine vechiles. Landspeeders look silly now compared to a storm talon. Killing the entire idea of having a land speeder... (Why do we have a land speeder if we have an aircraft?)

Attack Bikes are hilariously stupid looking in comparision to the new vehicles.

And finally my most hated models...

The Phoenix Lords.

Now in the lore these guys are the most mega badasses on the planet like they are the primarchs of the eldar. But their models...

They look like christmas decorations compared to the other factions now. I have and I always complain about the lack of support for the eldar. Their units older than entire ranges of miniatures. And the Phoenix lords are on top of that list.


Sorry but these guys are horrible models, great lore, great aesthetic. But man are their models lack luster. The only nice one is the forgeworld one but even then he is the least interesting cause there isn't very much different between him and his followers.

What I am trying to say is... Lets make phoenix lords cool again! #makephoenixlordscoolagain

 Trickstick wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:
I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could.

Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.

That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.

 amazingturtles wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:
I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could.

Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.

That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.

How about a normal Guard army, but you just use Beastmen instead of normal Guard? There should still be some beastmen regiments floating around somewhere, the paperwork that beastmen were banned is probably still moving through the filing system.

(-:

 Trickstick wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 amazingturtles wrote:
I would make a 100% abhuman army if i could.

Well I guess you could, if you just took vanguard detachments. You would have to take some Commissars for HQs of course, but you need someone to keep an eye on the things.

That's true, and appropriately thematic. Though now of course i'm thinking of kitbashing or making ogryn commisars... I should stop before I spend money.

How about a normal Guard army, but you just use Beastmen instead of normal Guard? There should still be some beastmen regiments floating around somewhere, the paperwork that beastmen were banned is probably still moving through the filing system.

(-:

Victoria Miniatures makes models, if you don't want to convert large numbers of them. Maybe run them as Catachans for S4, or hop over to 30k for their abhuman militia army lists?

 Insectum7 wrote:
Land Speeders. Love the models, but haven't fielded one seriously in a looong time.

Assault Marines, same as above.

land Speeders may be workable now. I never played my Ravenwing Typhoon because I thought the Vengeance speeder did as much damage, but was tougher.
However, that same Typhoon speeder that was 130pts (Typhoon/HB) is now only 98pts and much more reasonable than the 144pt vengeance.


For me, it's the Corvus Blackstar. I love the model, but even with the 15pt points drop (25pts if you take the lascannons), it's not viable.

The post about Phoenix Lords is so apt. I thought the models were so cool when I started at the beginning of 3rd. Approximately 20 years later... barf. They are 50% helmet in most cases. Or 80% wig. Such trash.

Models I love, some of which have crappy rules:
-Khorne Bloodthirster: Honestly even with the points drop in CA2018 these things are still not great, but the model is one of the best GW has ever produced.
-Nephilim Jetfighter/Dark Talon: Dark Angels got the Imperium's best looking aircraft design. Dark Talons are amazeballs in game, while Nephilims, well, aren't.
-Corvus Blackstar: This is the model that almost got me to start a Deathwatch army. Much cooler design for a dropship than the Stormraven.
-Repulsor: Just an awesome-looking flying tank.
-XV104 Riptide Battlesuit: This thing is one of the coolest-looking models in the entire game. I've always loved mech suits in sci-fi, and this is one of my favorites.
-Thunderwolf Cavalry: So many people like to hate these, but I ask you: what is more manly, more badass, more awesome, than power-armored Space Vikings riding into battle on the back of giant wolves? Nothing, that's what!
-Shokkjump Dragsta: I don't play Orks, but I nearly bought Speed Freeks just for this model. All of the new Ork buggies are awesome, and they have such cool names too. The best name, rather than model, has to be the Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy, though.
-Nemesis Dreadknight: Another one everyone loves to hate, but I actually like the model a lot. Grey Knights currently suck, but at least they've got cool models.

Now, for the models I despise, despite some of them having great rules:
-Obliterators/Mutilators: God, these things are ugly! I have 3 Obliterator squads and I do like to run them in my Chaos lists, but not because of the models, that's for sure.
-Khorne Berzerkers: The poses might be about the stupidest in the whole game. There's a reason I use AoS Khorne Bloodreavers as my Berzerkers; they are way better models.
-Defiler: Why is the head on this thing so tiny compared to the rest of it? The Soul Grinder actually takes the same concept and makes it way better.
-Logan Grimnar on Stormrider: Is he really supposed to look like a high-tech Santa Claus?
-Arco-flagellants: These things are just too weird. I know weird is kind of par for the course in 40k, but honestly Arco-flagellants are mostly just ugly models.
-Spoilpox Scrivener: The whole distended mouth thing is absurd, and looks stupid IMO.

I personnaly use these guys as Khorne Berserkers. My only problem with them is that they make my Kharn look like kind off like a wimp.

epronovost wrote:
I personnaly use these guys as Khorne Berserkers. My only problem with them is that they make my Kharn look like kind off like a wimp.

Spoiler:

Honestly those should be a 40k equailvent they look so badass you just put bolters on them and call em skull takers as Angron's personal army
the old berserker models are great.... 20 years ago

I kinda hate the leman Russ tank. Sorry, but that barrell is proportioned like something out of an old warner brothers cartoon. Honestly, if we do some even half ass scaling a round from a leman Russ would be like over a meter across and the tank could hold like 4 of them. Also who is gonna load the round into the breach?