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 The Phazer wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

tunih123 wrote:

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

When was the last time GW incresed the cost of the paint cost and what have the accumulated inflation been under that time?

also the pound has lost in value and with brexit it will lose more, so all production cost will increase

But every sale outside the U.K. will be worth more, and frequently at a higher GBP price than U.K. RRP.

We have no idea what the increases will be outside the UK, if at all.

We absolutely do..

GW Facebook wrote:Paint pots will have a small increase of 20 pence per pot (or local currency equivalent).

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Serious question:
Do people not keep the rims of their paintpots clean? Never had an issue except when I got gunk building up that lets air in.

I've had new pots be useless when I've opened them.

That is a fair and valid statement too. I've had a few instances of that---they usually will replace it with no issue though.

 Azreal13 wrote:

We absolutely do..

GW Facebook wrote:Paint pots will have a small increase of 20 pence per pot (or local currency equivalent).

That is really a completely meaningless statement from GW.

Another reason to buy Vallejo... Thank you GW

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Availability is a thing when you have 5 months of winter and don't want frozen paints in the mail. I have a cross section of brands in my arsenal - GW, Vajello, Reaper, Army Painter, INSTAR. I can get most Vajello and GW at a local store, plus a small amount of Reaper. If I run out of specific stuff, however, it's either a day trip to Toronto or I wait for non-freezing temperatures to order off the internet.

If you might run out and need a replacement, knowing you can get it easily has advantages.

To be blunt, they should just remove the characters from the start collecting boxes and keep the prices as low as possible.

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

Plan better.

Hmph, wonder what the reasoning behind the increase to the SCs are, and how long it will be until we start seeing it cascade down to the underlying kits.

Luckily, I’m just about done with GW and have more than enough I’d ever need. I had been eyeballing the Beast Raiders kit (for show, never expect I’d game with them), but it’s likely now I’ll just pass that up. Thanks GW for giving me FEWER reasons to keep buying your overpriced toys.

 Red_Five wrote:
To be blunt, they should just remove the characters from the start collecting boxes and keep the prices as low as possible.

Even better, stop making HQs mono pose so have a reason to get multiples of the same model without having what looks like a bunch of clones.

 Azreal13 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

Plan better.

And if only one or two pots are needed and shipping is $7.00? GW's paint becomes less expensive at that point.

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

Surely you notice when you're getting low and then order in anticipation of running out rather than the point at which you do.

Also, if you can't wait for several days to carry on you might want to work on your patience.

 Vankraken wrote:

 Red_Five wrote:
To be blunt, they should just remove the characters from the start collecting boxes and keep the prices as low as possible.

Even better, stop making HQs mono pose so have a reason to get multiples of the same model without having what looks like a bunch of clones.

Sadly, I think GW is really trending towards going completely or nearly completely mono-pose with its models. :(

 John Prins wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Availability is a thing when you have 5 months of winter and don't want frozen paints in the mail. I have a cross section of brands in my arsenal - GW, Vajello, Reaper, Army Painter, INSTAR. I can get most Vajello and GW at a local store, plus a small amount of Reaper. If I run out of specific stuff, however, it's either a day trip to Toronto or I wait for non-freezing temperatures to order off the internet.

If you might run out and need a replacement, knowing you can get it easily has advantages.

True, but that's probably less of an issue for the British flag poster I responded to than a Canuck. We very rarely get such adverse weather conditions that paint freezing in transit is a legitimate concern, we also don't have many non-GW gaming stores, so unless you're prepared to buy online you're really limiting yourself.

 oni wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

Plan better.

And if only one or two pots are needed and shipping is $7.00? GW's paint becomes less expensive at that point.

That too.

Also having played 20 years and still having many many years old armies paint compatibility becomes issue. Vallejo good. Do they have 100% match on colours and finding exact shade is bit of tricky. If not exact match look will change.


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 sockwithaticket wrote:

Surely you notice when you're getting low and then order in anticipation of running out rather than the point at which you do.

Also, if you can't wait for several days to carry on you might want to work on your patience.

Well they do run out at annoying spots.

And yeah patience...I'm sure tournaments are happy to postpone to accompany me waiting internet to provide some paints Yep. That sure works.

 TheSecretSquig wrote:
UK 2019 forecasted inflation is predicted to be around 2%. GW's £0.20 rise on paint pots is 8%. I'm sue there's some logic there............... Just struggling to see it.

Kirbynomics.

I'd imagine one of the reasons for the paint price rise is it's one of the few things they sell that GW doesn't make

(and unlike tools they've got far less freedom to tell a supplier nope we're not paying any more as moving the whole paint range to a new factory would be a major undertaking)

the SC price changes are clearly more to actual desire on GWs part. It will be interesting to see if they're just going to raise the prices of the boxes with the highest nominal value (evening out the savings)

whether they're aiming to target higher selling boxes for more profit?

or perhaps looking to price in machine use for the larger sprue stuff that seems production limiting at present

or even by system (40K sells more stuff so price up those more, AoS is still growing so keep the prices lower to encourage more take up)

I guess we'll see when we find out what's stayed the same, what's gone up £5 and what's up by £10

tneva82 wrote:

 oni wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Kalamadea wrote:
Honestly, if you're still using GW paints in this age of Vallejo, Armybuilder, Reaper, P3, Coat D'Arms, Scale 75, Warcolours, and INSTAR then I have no sympathy.

Availability is the issue for me - there are three places within walking distance of my workplace that stock GW paints. One also has some Vallejo (not the complete range), but none of the other ranges are stocked.

You're on the internet, no?

I use almost all those brands and only have a GW within a 40 mile radius afaik that would sell anything like hobby supplies. Sure, every now and then you pick up a paint that was different to what you thought it might be, but these days I can google pretty much any paint and see a real example of it (rather than a useless digital paint swatch) and those missteps are certainly less costly than having to replace dried out GW stuff.

Internet does not provide me with paint right away. FLGS does. I don't want to wait days to continue with project just due to lack of paints.

Plan better.

And if only one or two pots are needed and shipping is $7.00? GW's paint becomes less expensive at that point.

That too.

Also having played 20 years and still having many many years old armies paint compatibility becomes issue. Vallejo good. Do they have 100% match on colours and finding exact shade is bit of tricky. If not exact match look will change.


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 sockwithaticket wrote:

Surely you notice when you're getting low and then order in anticipation of running out rather than the point at which you do.

Also, if you can't wait for several days to carry on you might want to work on your patience.

Well they do run out at annoying spots.

And yeah patience...I'm sure tournaments are happy to postpone to accompany me waiting internet to provide some paints Yep. That sure works.

Buddy, if you are regularly going to tournaments that require painted models, then you should probably be even more vigilant with your paints and order them well in advance of them running out.

I am mostly disappointed with the Start Collecting price increase. I kinda hope they change up the SC to actually give you something equal in return and start providing SC for armies that haven't had one yet(Idoneth, Daughters).

Feels like I need to buy my 2nd Bloodbound SC before the price hike hits.

I had no idea GoreGruntas were $79!
I assumed they were in the $65 range, but either price is higher than I would pay.
Which is why I got the SC box.
The character and Black Orks made it a worthwhile purchase.

If they increase the wrong boxes, the sales will dry up.
The only reason to buy the Sylvaneth is for the Treelord. There are dryads to be had for pennies, if you really want them.
The 40k Marine boxes are barely a savings now, and only worth it if you happen to want the character. IMO, of course.

Paint-wise, I'll shift back to Army Painter.
I had picked up GW's current paints on discount locally, so I was giving them a run.
But at ($4+)12ml vs ($3)18ml, it's not worth continuing with them.

tneva82 wrote:

 sockwithaticket wrote:

Surely you notice when you're getting low and then order in anticipation of running out rather than the point at which you do.

Also, if you can't wait for several days to carry on you might want to work on your patience.

Well they do run out at annoying spots.

And yeah patience...I'm sure tournaments are happy to postpone to accompany me waiting internet to provide some paints Yep. That sure works.

Then we come back around to plan better. If you know you've got something coming up, make sure you've got what you need in good time.

Or just buy the GW paints at his local store? That seems much easier. I don't know why it is so important to you to convince him otherwise.

I feel like I should pick up some Start Collecting before the price increase (I've been meaning to get the Sylvaneth one for years). Is there a place that has the value break down of the different ones so that I can make a guess at which ones will be little more expensive versus the ones that will be a lot more expensive?

 Sqorgar wrote:
I feel like I should pick up some Start Collecting before the price increase (I've been meaning to get the Sylvaneth one for years). Is there a place that has the value break down of the different ones so that I can make a guess at which ones will be little more expensive versus the ones that will be a lot more expensive?

Not sure if the US has the same restrictions but in the UK current Start Collecting boxes are now limited to 1 of each per store per week until price increase hits.

Start Collecting sets tend to be a pretty good deal, and will probably still be a good deal. I will have another look and see if I want any of them before the price rise, only the Beastmen and Skaven ones had caught my eye so far. I have Nurgle and Lizardmen, which are pretty cool.

But the paint...I dunno. Been a GW paint user since starting in the hobby, with only a small divergence into PP paints for a while. But they really are very overpriced now and my hobby shop stocks full ranges of Army Painter and Vallejo. I think it is time for me to start switching over. I just need to find out the replacement colours for the ones I am using and take the plunge. Might even buy one of the huge paint sets so I have a big selection.

The paints have not been great quality for a while - I find they tend to seperate and gunkify pretty often, and the colour is often not consistent because of this, particularly the metallics.

 skrulnik wrote:
There are dryads to be had for pennies, if you really want them.

Where? How?
I'd genuinely be interested ...

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Or just buy the GW paints at his local store? That seems much easier. I don't know why it is so important to you to convince him otherwise.

Oh, did this stop being a discussion forum? He engaged with me, not the other way round and I've offered a couple of simple rejoinders while on my commute home and waiting for a rugby game to kick off.

Yes, it's so important to me...

Let's say they raise the Ork box by 10 pounds. It is currently 50 pounds with value worth 64,5 pounds. With a 10 pound increase you are saving at best 4,5 pounds. That's laughable savings to be honest. Now, if they go for varying prices(some increase to 55 and others 60) then still you are only saving around 9.5 pounds on the Ork Start Collecting. You are basically getting a discount off the Painboy which costs 15,5 pounds.

The Space Marine is 68 pounds with a savings of 8-13 pounds with the new change. Again, you're just getting a small discount off the HQ.

Khorne is currently value of 73 pounds. Here you get better savings and overall better deal as the HQ can be used as a Heavy weapon.

I am honestly wondering if they are actively trying to limit the sales of Start Collecting so only beginners buy them, ie. people who have no models and would actually gain anything from this.

 Eldarsif wrote:
Let's say they raise the Ork box by 10 pounds. It is currently 50 pounds with value worth 64,5 pounds. With a 10 pound increase you are saving at best 4,5 pounds. That's laughable savings to be honest. Now, if they go for varying prices(some increase to 55 and others 60) then still you are only saving around 9.5 pounds on the Ork Start Collecting. You are basically getting a discount off the Painboy which costs 15,5 pounds.

The Space Marine is 68 pounds with a savings of 8-13 pounds with the new change. Again, you're just getting a small discount off the HQ.

Khorne is currently value of 73 pounds. Here you get better savings and overall better deal as the HQ can be used as a Heavy weapon.

I am honestly wondering if they are actively trying to limit the sales of Start Collecting so only beginners buy them, ie. people who have no models and would actually gain anything from this.

I think the inclusion of the character model was the original means by which they hoped to limit veteran players from purchasing large numbers of the box sets.

Raising the price of SC! is an obvious prelude to raising the price of kits that SC! include, because then you can reframe the second raise as "this makes SC! boxes even better value!"

Then another 6 months later you bring the rest of the kits "into line" and ergo presto, an across the board hike with minimal negative publicity.