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 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.

Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.

SamusDrake wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.

Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.

Nor Sting!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Wow. It's now a better cast than Lynch's film. Zendaya sticks out in a Katie-Holmes-in-Batman-Begins way, but I'll trust Villeneuve's instincts, since Chani is an important character to get right.

Impossible. Captain Picard is not in the new one.

Nor Sting!

Indeed!

"I WILL KILL HIMMMMM!!!"

Josh Brolin joined the cast as Gurney. How much of a budget does this movie have, I feel like they're spending it all on actors that aren't all that obscure.

 Thargrim wrote:
Josh Brolin joined the cast as Gurney.

BOOM. Another great casting. They're crushing it.

Oh, and Sting sucks as an actor. Will be interesting to see who plays Feyd-Rautha in this one. The guy in the miniseries seemed like too much of a meathead, while Sting was...too much Sting hamming it up. A relative unknown may suffice here.

How much of a budget does this movie have, I feel like they're spending it all on actors that aren't all that obscure.

*shrug* It's their money to spend. Besides, this project is becoming something that actors may want to be attached to. Talent attracts talent. They might not all be asking for their customary top dollar.

Next week they're delving into the world itself proper.

Looking forward to this as Dune is brilliant. I love the Lynch movie, fond of the TV series and think the games are sheer brilliance. Sigh...I'm addicted to Dune 2000! Cryo's dune is a master piece in game design...

The original Herbert books are a bit heavy going, and sometimes feel like a chore to read. There is no denying that they are brilliant, but I honestly could not say I was able to take in about 50% of them...it was like a chapter of waffle which ends on an amazing revelation. The Brian & Kevin books weren't as much food for thought but damn they were good page turners! So addictive!

Favourite bit in the fluff is Erasmus and his "son" Gilbertus. Its screwed up but somehow it feels like a genuine father-son relationship. Kind of like Terminator 2 "of all the would-be fathers, only this machine measured up..."

The thing I'd like explained about the books is what Frank's plan was for (book spoilers ahead)...



Maybe they've talked about it elsewhere, but I always thought it interesting that Frank apparently just planned to unveil the big bad for the first time in Book 7. *shrug*

I think if Frank Herbert had introduced the machines as the lurking antagonist, it wouldn't have been the digital moustache-twirling idiots that we ended up with.

It could quite possibly have been a more faceless enemy, and the exposition required could come from the memories of the various characters. One of the main themes of the series was the importance of human consciousness, so having a soulless machine being the foe works well with that. Possibly as something more akin to the initial conception of the Borg or the Matrix. A machine mind running on the suppressed minds of the humans it assimilates, all attempting to create a more and more prefect prescient intelligence - again in conflict with the prescience-free evolution of humanity that Leto II was bulding towards.

A faceless enemy occurred to me, but then you still have the problem of the old couple. Of course, Frank may have had other plans, but Brian and Kevin co-opted them to fit their thing. I thought most signs pointed to them being Tleilaxu anyway.

So Jason Momoa is in talks to be Duncan Idaho, now this one i'm not too sure about. I'm not a big fan of him, never seen him do anything where he seemed like a good actor. He's a bit cartoonish to me, something about his face. They need to start casting some less known people in this movie before it becomes a circus.

Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy, and Momoa has that. I trust Villeneuve that he won’t be having him bro-dude his way through the story.

That is a really big role though, considering everything that comes later. It occurs to me that Oscar Issac would also have been an outstanding Duncan.

I disagree completely about the cast. Give me more good actors working with more good actors.

I dunno, I didn't even like him in GoT. But then again if anyone can get a good performance out of him it's Villeneuve and his direction. He's only in talks as well so it could change before they start shooting.

All I know is I have a mental image of Momoa and Brolin in bodyshields kicking the hell out of Sardaukar together, and it’s awesome.

Jason Momoa joins the cast too! damn this project is looking amazing. I hope the images and cinematography is stellar and the story top notch. I really hope its good for a change.

With all the people involved i think it will be really good. I also think it's going to 100% bomb in the box office.

 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy, and Momoa has that. I trust Villeneuve that he won’t be having him bro-dude his way through the story.

I don't see why not, since that's what Duncan Idaho did for his short presence in the novel.


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 gorgon wrote:
A faceless enemy occurred to me, but then you still have the problem of the old couple. Of course, Frank may have had other plans, but Brian and Kevin co-opted them to fit their thing. I thought most signs pointed to them being Tleilaxu anyway.

I'd always put them down as being some sort of evolved Face Dancers - wasn't there an implication that the Face Dancers were really running things on Tleilax anyway? I never made it as far as the sequel novels by Pinky and the Brian; I crashed out of the Butlerian Jihad series before they even started with the sequels. I'll just stick with the Encyclopedia, non-canon as it may be.

So the release date has been set at Nov 20, 2020. That feels so far away to me lol.

Hopefully it will give us a respite from the Hell On Earth the 2020 election will inevitably be. lol

 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy

Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.

And ironically for casting Momoa-the-action-star, later incarnations of Duncan rarely have any action scenes. Well, except for the 'action' scenes, but the BGs basically keep him permanently in a box. The second incarnation is basically a mystic philosopher which, while I really liked Momoa in Stargate: Atlantis, that might be a little past his reach.

I am a little bit sceptical about casting more famous actors as this only a good idea if ghe role the should play match the last films they made
If people go jnto the movie to see Aquaman in Space the will be disappointed no metter if the movie us goid or not


For the movie itself it is difficult, I love Lynchs version of the story
not because it covers Dune very well but because it is a good movie by itself

For later versions of Dune I always find it kind of sad that inner thoughts/monologue was turned into dialogues that not really fitted the scenes but need to be done to explain what the character was thinking

PS:
And there are different cuts of Lynchs Dune available.
of course most people know the original cinema version and the extended TV version but there is also the Alternative Edition (redux) wich is a mix of both
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94d77kdmOvU

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy

Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.

The studio isn’t going to begin this kind of enterprise without looking toward it becoming a film franchise, or without having the main actors signed for multiple films. So yes, this is a very big casting because he will have been chosen with the future in mind. It isn’t just about this film.

 gorgon wrote:

Voss wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
Momoa certainly isn’t a classic character actor, but he has more range than people give him credit for. Duncan needs to be a charismatic - instantly likeable - and intense guy

Does he? Duncan's presence in the first book is really minimal.
He's already gone at the beginning
He pops in for literally a handful of pages to introduce Stilgar and set up the very basics of trust and a potential future alliance with the Fremen. (which is based on obeying their customs, not being charismatic)
Then he's recalled and quickly removed from the board in Paul and Jessica's... passage.

If the film evolves into a series, he'll obviously matter a lot more (to the point of becoming the main character several thousand years down the line), but in Dune itself Momoa will functionally have a cameo.

The studio isn’t going to begin this kind of enterprise without looking toward it becoming a film franchise, or without having the main actors signed for multiple films. So yes, this is a very big casting because he will have been chosen with the future in mind. It isn’t just about this film.

Well, from that perspective, he seems like a horrible fit. Can you really picture Momoa calming reciting 'Zen-sufi' aphorisms and homilies for half of Dune Messiah's run time? Or doing a convincing Mentat bit?
For that matter, can you see the audience reaction when he pops up twice in the first one before his head gets cracked open all over the landing platform? That might be a fun reaction to watch, but if someone is just following the name, they're going to leave disappointed.

He'll do just fine. And I trust the people involved with this. I'm not about to wring my hands over this cast or spend the next two years developing dire scenarios.

 gorgon wrote:
He'll do just fine. And I trust the people involved with this. I'm not about to wring my hands over this cast or spend the next two years developing dire scenarios.

Dire scenarios? The worst a Dune movie can do has already happened.

David Dastmalchian will be Piter De Vries. Not surprised to see him get a role in another movie made by Denis.

Opps, i posted this in the wrong thread, sorry.

 Thargrim wrote:
David Dastmalchian will be Piter De Vries. Not surprised to see him get a role in another movie made by Denis.

I like that casting also. He has an odd way about him and some darkness that should work for a twisted mentat.

Any word on who is doing the music?

SamusDrake wrote:
Any word on who is doing the music?

Not yet, but that is the one announcement i'm most curious about. If Johann Johannsson was still alive I would have assumed it would be him. But he's passed away and he was Denis go to guy when it came to music. He could end up doing Wallfisch/Zimmer again, or who knows...it'll be interesting to see though.