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2019/01/10 02:58:59
Subject: Re:General etiquette when attending a tournament?
SHUPPET wrote: Expecting the rest of society to adhere to this is unrealistic. Nobody wants to be in a hot room for up to 2 days, with a bunch of nerds who haven't worn any deodorant. If you have a condition, it's up to you to avoid unsuitable environments for your leisure activity. Deodorant, cologne, and perfume exists for a good reason, people are allowed to make use of it.
Do you understand the difference between "don't use soap/deodorant/etc" and "don't use aggressively scented products to cover up your bad smells when you're going to be in a confined space with a lot of other people"?
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
2019/01/10 04:24:00
Subject: General etiquette when attending a tournament?
SHUPPET wrote: Expecting the rest of society to adhere to this is unrealistic. Nobody wants to be in a hot room for up to 2 days, with a bunch of nerds who haven't worn any deodorant. If you have a condition, it's up to you to avoid unsuitable environments for your leisure activity. Deodorant, cologne, and perfume exists for a good reason, people are allowed to make use of it.
Do you understand the difference between "don't use soap/deodorant/etc" and "don't use aggressively scented products to cover up your bad smells when you're going to be in a confined space with a lot of other people"?
I do, but you clearly do not, and this is the third time I've seen you make this feth up in this thread alone.
In fact the post I responded to was talking about wearing any cologne at all, nothing about scents being unpleasant, but about it giving an allergic response.
You don't understand what you're talking about, and that's because you have little knowledge on the topic you are speaking on and don't even read the replies you respond to, but that seems seems to be par for the course for you on here so whatever \o/ just another day of peregrine.
I haven't, no. I'm failing to see any relevance to that.
You don't have to douse yourself with cologne to not smell bad. Well, I don't. Maybe you do, but if so there's something wrong with you and you should get it checked out.
Nobody is arguing that deodorant and ALL smells are to be eliminated. That's just a strawman you dreamed up to make the position easier to attack.
Once again,
Rule #1 is be polite, you are expected to follow it at all times. Sniping at each other does nothing to promote discussion, keep it civil and on topic.
Failure to follow this really simple rule is going to earn their poster a warning and/or suspension.
Thanks,
ingtaer
On parle toujours mal quand on n'a rien à dire.
2019/01/10 10:49:54
Subject: General etiquette when attending a tournament?
The relevance here is that you haven't experienced what the thread and topic is literally about, and might be why you seem to be at odds with the general consensus of etiquette here.
The people who run the ITC literally request that you wear some sort of deodorant or other product to keep you fresh. I'm sorry, but you are just wrong and simply do not have the experience here. I mean no offense by it, but there's a reason I was able to correctly guess that you've never actually been to an event, because "barely noticeable" is the opposite of the truth. By the end of most events, you can immediately tell if your opponent has worn deodorant before you even lay eyes on them. These things are indoors, rarely spacious, and full of many many people standing in one spot for lengthy periods of time.
Excommunicatus wrote: You don't have to douse yourself with cologne to not smell bad. Well, I don't. Maybe you do, but if so there's something wrong with you and you should get it checked out. Nobody is arguing that deodorant and ALL smells are to be eliminated. That's just a strawman you dreamed up to make the position easier to attack.
As you do.
Well, personal attacks aside, the irony here is real. Let's take a look at how this started:
SHUPPET wrote: (use scented soaps and oils if you can, days can get long, nobody is going to make fun of you for smelling too pretty)
JFC please don't do this. The only thing worse than a bunch of kind of sweaty gamers packed into a small space is a bunch of sweaty gamers trying to cover up the smell with competing obnoxious scents. It's like every pot smoker who thinks their house smells fine because they hosed it down with a gallon of air freshener, fooling nobody. Take a normal shower and be clean, but if people can smell your scented products from more than a few inches away you're being TFG.
Also, if you smoke, please stay home. You're gross, and the rest of us don't want to smell you from across the room.
I said nothing about dousing yourself in smells - just to use bath oils so that your skin smells fresh, i specifically even said afterwards not to go crazy on it, peregrine still disagrees.
Or why don't we take a look at where the quote chain you just jumped into began:
Blndmage wrote: Some people also have serious scent issues. Don't wear cologne or other scented stuff.
Maybe I am just old and "from another era" but if you have issues with "scents" such that you cannot function in a public environment, you shouldn't be in a public environment.
Plenty of people have serious allergies to colognes and perfumes. They function in public environments by moving away from the odors. This is rather difficult in an enclosed area they can’t leave.
Your ancient era most likely still upheld the virtues of consideration and politeness for others, unless we’re talking some sort of sword and sorcery hyperborean era.
People are definitively and unmistakably saying, and I quote, "Don't wear cologne or other scented stuff." The irony here being that the real strawman being built is entirely and absolutely on you, acting as though the people I'm responding to aren't saying exactly this, and pretending that my position is some manner of "DRENCH YOURSELF IN COLOGNE BEFORE EVERY EVENT" when it's not even remotely that. That's not what smelling nice means, that's the opposite of it, just on the other extreme, and not at all what I suggested.
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P.S.A. I won't read your posts if you break it into a million separate quotes and make an eyesore of it.
2019/01/10 11:19:05
Subject: General etiquette when attending a tournament?
Excess fragrance/deodorant/aftershave is just as bad as excess BO. There may be physical conditions that exacerbate the problem on either side, but in general washing properly should be better than dousing yourself in excess scent.
If the venue is poorly ventilated so that everyone is sweating (after all, wargaming isn't a physically demanding hobby), then that would influence my decision to return - or to leave early in extreme circumstances.
2019/01/10 12:40:01
Subject: General etiquette when attending a tournament?
I suggest readIng the Tournament Pack which should have the Tournament Organizer's expectations. Some smaller tourneys may not publish one - an email to the TO could prove useful.
In the absence of information from the TO I will make certain assumptions going in. I should bring neat copies of my list for the TO and my opponents. I assume that the Matched Play rules will be in effect to include the most recent FAQs. My list should be from the latest version of my Codex/Index and use the Chapter Approved points adjustments. My models will be painted and WYSIWYG (within reason). I should bring my own tape measures, dice etc.
Know the rules and your own units' rules and capabilities. Bring a hard copy of your Codex. Offer to explain your list to your opponent during set-up.
As mentioned by others the time constraint is one big difference from casual games. Stay focused, stay off your phone and try not to distract your opponent during his turn.
Regarding personal behaviour etc, just follow the golden rule of common courtesy. Based on how you post infigure you should be a fun opponent!
Good luck!
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
2019/01/11 12:22:46
Subject: General etiquette when attending a tournament?
And now for a 'I did it because it looks cool, but' type question.
The three Manticores I want to field. I've currently got on, languishing in the 'Big Case O'Stuff And That', that I bought when it was first released. Over time, all but one of it's Rockets has gone walkies.
If I was to make use of this one, sharing the 9 missiles across the three models, because that kind of suits GSC, I can foresee (and quite understand) consternation in opponents. After all, each tank has only four shots. And the traditional method of keeping count is to remove each Missile as it's launched, leaving a handy signifier of expended ordinance.
But....what if I made 12 'flags' of some kind? Three sets, each labelled 1-4. Place behind each tank, and hand one to my opponent for each shot fired.
I don't mind the extra work, as it's still cheaper than another £31 if I don't have to spend it.
Or, is it better to play it safe and just make it three new ones?
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
Honestly a simple dice put behind the tank or on top with a 4, 3, 2, 1 counter would work just as well without any additional work from you in terms of making flags.
If you wanted you could craft a little square slot on the tank to place the dice on so that it doesn't look out of place but has somewhere on the model so it doesn't get knocked or forgotten about.
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