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I have the following, fully painted and ready to go.

1 x Gravis Captain
1 x Primaris Captain with Fist and Plasma
1 x Marneus Calgar
1 x Librarian
2 x Honor Guard
4 x Lieutenants including Calsius and Ltd Editions
1 x Apothecary
1 x Chapter Ancient
30 x Intercessors
3 x Additional Sgts with different wargear
10 x Reivers
5 x Aggressors
3 x Inceptors
10 x Hellblasters
2 x Repulsors
2 x Redemptors
1 x Guilliman (He is the Lord of the Primaris after all)


Bring on Wave 2, Can't wait to add more! I already like the Primaris more than I ever liked the classic Marines including my HH army lol

0 for me, as all of my Space Marines were built with Horus Heresy in mind foremost, occasionally with some 40K units added (such as Bjorn or Wulfen) for flavour and to make the army actually "work" in 40K.

When Tooth & Claw was released, I was _extremely_ tempted for a short while to start introducing Primaris elements into the army, but they just didn't mesh well at all with either my Heresy aesthetic or with the Space Wolves army list from a rules perspective.

There are some cool minis in the Primaris range, and there's a lot that I like, but they're just too basic and underdeveloped at this stage to get excited about for me.

I had a browse through the whole thread. Lots of Primaris haters.

Move on guys, its been two years. If you ain't buying GW ain't caring about you anways lol

 Brother Castor wrote:
I have fully painted Primaris marines from First Strike but they don't form part of my army. I'm old school marines all the way

Having said that, I'm going to try them in Kill Team...

I have a mixed DA army.

Azrael
Sammael on Corvex
10 Tacticals
7 Scouts
6 Ravenwing Bikes
Attack Bike
Ravenwing Land Speeder
5 Devs
Drop Pod

plus

Primaris Librarian
Primaris Lt.
5 Intercessors
3 Aggressors
3 Inceptors
10 Hellblasters

 Ishagu wrote:
I had a browse through the whole thread. Lots of Primaris haters.

Move on guys, its been two years. If you ain't buying GW ain't caring about you anways lol

Not buying is the only way we have to express to them our disdain.

It's called voting with your wallet, only thing most companies really listen to.

I wonder if there are still many people whose marine armies are solely made out of Rogue Trader era MK6 beakies and who are still mad at GW for introducing this scale creepy MK7 nonsense, not to mention removing the ability to arm your marines with shuriken catapults.

Saying "all of nothing" doesn't mean you hate primaris. It just means you feel they look better or play better when used as a coherent primaris-centered force.


Primaris aren't the same as beakie helmets vs non-beakie helmets. They actually play differently than normal marines. For example, they can't get inside of Rhinos or Razorbacks. So if you use a mechanized force, Primaris actually don't fit in to that force at all.

It's quite interesting how many DA players there are that refuse the models & the fluff.

Having said, primaris is heresy.

If I do end up getting primaris, they'll be turned into alpha legion count-as.

The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

 Ishagu wrote:
The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

It's not elitist to have standards.

So shouldn't you be throwing your classic Marines away? The Primaris certainly look a lot better.

 Ishagu wrote:
The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

Honestly, in my experience lurking online forums and reddit, it tends to be the people like you who are all about primaris tend to be the more elitist ones. I see a lot more bad mouthing of people who like classic marines than of people who prefer primaris ones. There are a lot of valid reasons to dislike primaris marines. If you like them that's good for you, everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's not up to me to tell you what's good and what isn't.

Primaris marines, and the path 8th edition has been taking, almost killed my interest in Warhammer completely, until people I know with similar feelings started getting into Horus Heresy. Thanks to 30k I now have about 3,000 more points of models.

I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are no longer usable.
My classic Marine collection is bigger than most's. I even have a large Horus Heresy army and characters from multiple Legions. I was annoyed about the Primaris for a week, then I realised that in the long run they'll become the best representation of Marines on the tabletop. Great models, great look, great design, great philosophy. Also people complain about the lore. Clearly thy aren't reading anything as BL has put out some of their best books in the post Gathering Storm setting.

Haters gonna have to get over it

 Ishagu wrote:
I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are redundant.

But you ARE saying its "redundant to hate new things".

As posted above, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this a forum to share those differing opinions.

In my opinion, introducing primaris as a replacement line for old tacs would've had less opposition, rather than introducing them as "better marines". If this was the case, then purchasing the primaris line would have been an optional choice if you wanted a better sculpt and better scale, much like how the transition during the old 2nd ed tac/termies to the 3rd ed, and not for the purpose of replacing the 'I'm never gonna use these" tac marines with "I might sometimes use them" primaris marines.

People were angry when GW changed the base sizes of Marines. I guess the hobby is full of easily offended, overly angry people.

They would have been livid to have to replace their models. This way you don't have to change anything, these are a new line entirely.

It's the best way to do it. The standard range is massive and bloated, it needs nothing new.

 Ishagu wrote:
People were angry when GW changed the base sizes of Marines. I guess the hobby is full of easily offended, overly angry people.

They would have been livid to have to replace their models. This way you don't have to change anything, these are a new line entirely.

It's the best way to do it. The standard range is massive and bloated, it needs nothing new.

It needs nothing new you say, and yet you're pushing for an entire new line.

Providing updated models for existing units don't add to the bloat. When you're starting to add primaris marines to soon replace tac marines, you're adding to the bloat until the latter is completely removed from the game. And at that point, you've done nothing to reduce the bloat - just changed one bloat with another bloat.

And people were only mad at the base size changes because the base size regulation was implied in 7th edition. 8th ed has made it clear that there are no base size rules and people are free to use whatever they deem fitting, barring TO rulings at tourneys.

A fresh start with a different design philosophy.

Primaris are Specialists. Regular Astartes as Generalists. It's a different thing entirely, but with the pull of being Space Marines.


I had to bring this up in this topic as the haters don't merely say they haven't made purchases, they go out of their way to complain about the Primaris. Well I've had enough of whingers in every. single. topic.

Hobby would be better without you. New people come across the complaining all the time and it turn them away.

 Ishagu wrote:
A fresh start with a different design philosophy.

Primaris are Specialists. Regular Astartes as Generalists. It's a different thing entirely, but with the pull of being Space Marines.


I had to bring this up in this topic as the haters don't merely say they haven't made purchases, they go out of their way to complain about the Primaris. Well I've had enough of whingers in every. single. topic.

Hobby would be better without you. New people come across the complaining all the time and it turn them away.

Because sharing the reason why some of us here don't include primaris into his/her existing army is "complaining" about primaris?

People can choose to like or dislike things. It's one thing to rebut a statement, but it's another to attack the posters for being "haters", "stuck in the past", "get over it", "angry people", "livid", "edgy" so on and so forth.

What's a good reason, exactly?

Not liking something is a good reason. Otherwise we would have to assume a priori that not liking primaris is a bad thing.

 Ishagu wrote:
I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are no longer usable.
My classic Marine collection is bigger than most's. I even have a large Horus Heresy army and characters from multiple Legions. I was annoyed about the Primaris for a week, then I realised that in the long run they'll become the best representation of Marines on the tabletop. Great models, great look, great design, great philosophy. Also people complain about the lore. Clearly thy aren't reading anything as BL has put out some of their best books in the post Gathering Storm setting.

Haters gonna have to get over it

This is all your opinion presented as fact, granted it's a perfectly valid opinion. It seems like your view is if someone prefers classic marines then they wrong and need to change their mind, which is a pretty elitist view. Myself and many other people have the exact opposite opinion on the models, rules, and current lore.

I don't hate all the new models, I think the new chaos stuff revealed looks pretty cool, even though it will probably lack customization options and I like the new genestealer cult line. I believe the primaris models are boring and bland, they move away from the gothic grimdark look, and look more like generic sci-fi soldiers. I prefer the customization and cross compatibility of older sets. I love mixing up all the different armor marks and gear to make guys that are unique and truly my own. While technically old marines will always be usable in 40k it will be as count as or using inferior rules like what all the old warhammer fantasy armies that were squatted in sigmar have. I honestly think that they should've updated all the ranges with old models that are still finecast, instead of giving space marines who had a complete model line, in my opinion, a unneeded update.

I also think 8th editions rules are too streamlined and make less logical sense than older editions, as a way to appeal to the lowest common denominator, granted I still play it every few weeks and enjoy Cities of Death. I also think it is just as unbalanced and broken as past editions and is nowhere near the best ruleset. I honestly think Horus Heresy has the best one. I'm sorry if this seems a bit like a rant I just don't really like when people present their subjective opinion as fact and frame differing ones as being wrong.

No, not at all. You can prefer the classic, that's totally valid. Just stop attacking the Primaris.

 Ishagu wrote:
What's a good reason, exactly?

Including but not limited to: scale difference, details, aesthetics, redundancy in functionality, mono poses & lack of customization, added bloat, and simply plain old "I just don't like it. It's not my cup of tea"

I personally don't see the reason for a whole new line with whole new sets of rules for the things that already exist in non-primaris form.

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Let's imagine guardsmen also gets the primaris treatment and get taller than, say ogryns - is it going to look good on the table top? No, it'll just look like you've added a model from a different range of miniatures.

 skchsan wrote:

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Right. So build a pure Primaris army. Problem solved.

 Crimson wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Right. So build a pure Primaris army. Problem solved.

Which is exactly what I said

If I do end up getting primaris down the line, I'd like to use their new scale to represent how alpha legionnaires are taller and bigger than their cousins.

 Ishagu wrote:
No, not at all. You can prefer the classic, that's totally valid. Just stop attacking the Primaris.

Besides possibly what I said to express my opinion against yours, which could probably be seen as attacking classic marines and people who prefer them. I haven't seem any people attacking Primaris marines, just criticizing them in the same way people are criticizing the classic ones.

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder if there are still many people whose marine armies are solely made out of Rogue Trader era MK6 beakies and who are still mad at GW for introducing this scale creepy MK7 nonsense, not to mention removing the ability to arm your marines with shuriken catapults.

Most of us are mad because our entire army is on the chopping block. I started in 5th and have never seen an entire range go away. I have zero interest in fake marines (the cash grab edition), particularly since GW is going out of its way to make sure that the entire existing range can't be used.

For my entire time I've been a 40k player, Squatting was universally treated as the worst thing GW could do and the community was not kind to them for doing it. Lately that attitude seems to be lax.

Who says they are going away, seriously?

I imagine they'll be fully supported with rules for the next 10+ years at the bare minimum!!

Beyond that? Well...
Nothing lasts forever. You have to accept that. One day Primaris might be in the same position. That's fine, we have to move on. If things didn't change, evolve or get replaced it would be awful.

Your reaction is emotional and not logical. I'll PayPal you 50 quid if standard Marines have no rules in the next 3 years lol

 Ishagu wrote:
Who says they are going away, seriously?

I imagine they'll be fully supported with rules for the next 10+ years at the bare minimum!!

Beyond that? Well...
Nothing lasts forever. You have to accept that. One day Primaris might be in the same position. That's fine, we have to move on. If things didn't change, evolve or get replaced it would be awful.

Your reaction is emotional and not logical. I'll PayPal you 50 quid if standard Marines have no rules in the next 3 years lol

this, it's safe to assume the phase out, if it ever fully happens will be VERY slow. we're not going toi see old marines suddenly disapper in an edition.