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nekooni wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

nekooni wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

nekooni wrote:

But do we have an official word that we can use them as any of the vanilla chapters?

Yes. They flat out said on the Facebook that SM/BA/DA/SW can use them. DW was not included on that list.

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I would think the War-Com article that shows an Infiltrator in SW, BA, and DA colors should be a pretty good indication. Especially since those images are likely pulled from the Codex Adeptus Astartes: Vanguard Space Marines.

OH, really? And I would think that it's obvious I'm being sarcastic as I've pointed out the exact same thing.

I am very much aware you were being sarcastic.

I imagine SW BA and DA will swiftly be given access to them and within the month death watch will be given a free "vanguard kill team index" that provides death watch rules for vanguard marines

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Ok so one GREAT and the rest are meh good. I mean when you compare them to psychic powers of eldar, ynnari, gene cult etc they aren’t that great. And the marines still suffer from marine syndrome. And almost any other psychic army will probably be able to deny you better than you can them. Like Eldrad.. I’m glad you guys are a LITTLE excited. The only one I think GW should nerf is shrouding to be warp charge 9

Are you kidding me? Have you looked at the Take Aim? The unit targeted gains re-rolls, and the target of that unit gets zero cover saves. Mind raid can kill characters and give you a CP for doing so.. Curse can stop charges in their tracks. Temporal corridor can give units basically free charges on turn 1.

Even eldar has a version of mind war. So nothing special. The negs yo cover saves don’t matter for things like eldar that can give negative modifiers to hit and have easy accessible invul saves. And curse doesn’t matter for things that won’t be charging anyway, which I would rather shoot you off the board with my superior pointy eard guns.

Then it's a really good thing that eldar are one of like 20 factions you might get to play against in the game.

I'd be concerned if Primaris and Eldar were the only armies that exist on the table top...


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 Stormonu wrote:
One Mortal wound per turn from Mind Raid is not going to kill most characters.

Scryer’s gaze only works for Phobos armor units - isn’t that the Librarian and maybe the sniper units who already have this ability?

Corridor does not allow charges, because you MUST advance - units that advanced can’t charge.

All the Primaris in this box are wearing Phobos armor.

Bad example. In competetive play which is all that matters these powers will do jack. You’ll see mostly space marine, orks, and knights with dudes. You will lose. These will not stop that from happening

Orks are completely neutered by the new vanguard marines though, Knights won't be affected, that's true though

The Primaris Psyker is getting access to a new discipline? Just what Guard players needed, something else for SM to bitch about...

So, I'm kinda confused. It looks like these guys will be added to the troops section of SM base chapters. That being said, you will have Scouts, Tacs, Intercessors, and then all three of these new Phobos Bozos. Six troop choices? That can't be right...

My question now is, why are loyalists getting all the infantry, and NO new vehicles. Meanwhile, my friend gets a new spider daemon machine, (Which is the stuff of nightmares and he is not allowed to bring it to my house). Can we please have a new medium tank, or Primaris Predator?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm kinda confused. It looks like these guys will be added to the troops section of SM base chapters. That being said, you will have Scouts, Tacs, Intercessors, and then all three of these new Phobos Bozos. Six troop choices? That can't be right...

The only Troop unit in the Vanguard are the Infiltrators.

That's good to know, the screenshots I've seen are mostly cutting off that icon.

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So, I'm kinda confused. It looks like these guys will be added to the troops section of SM base chapters. That being said, you will have Scouts, Tacs, Intercessors, and then all three of these new Phobos Bozos. Six troop choices? That can't be right...

My question now is, why are loyalists getting all the infantry, and NO new vehicles. Meanwhile, my friend gets a new spider daemon machine, (Which is the stuff of nightmares and he is not allowed to bring it to my house). Can we please have a new medium tank, or Primaris Predator?

Vehicles won't be far behind I'm sure.

I have just collected and in the process of painting over 2000 points of RG, and now GW releases units and abilities that truly reflect the way I wanted them to play, rendering most of my units...Outdated. Well, take my money, GW, I guess...

I just saw a react video by a unboxing 40k channel, that stated:

GW has stated in interviews that DW will NOT be granted Vangaurd troops.

Has anyone seen where that was referenced?

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I just saw a react video by a unboxing 40k channel, that stated:

GW has stated in interviews that DW will NOT be granted Vangaurd troops.

Has anyone seen where that was referenced?

GK and DW are not able to take Vanguard units in the same way that Thousand Sons and Deathguard cannot take Daemonkin. It's in the mini-dex. Pictures in the main Deathwatch tactica thread.

Sterling191 wrote:

 FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I just saw a react video by a unboxing 40k channel, that stated:

GW has stated in interviews that DW will NOT be granted Vangaurd troops.

Has anyone seen where that was referenced?

GK and DW are not able to take Vanguard units in the same way that Thousand Sons and Deathguard cannot take Daemonkin. It's in the mini-dex. Pictures in the main Deathwatch tactica thread.

Thank you!

Don't know if this is mentioned anywhere... but Hallucenation + Culexis makes the ultimate tarpit unit. Hallucenation on the enemy, then Culexis charges in. He forces them to be WS6+, which goes to 7+, they cannot actually hit him unless they have some sort of special rule. Granted you'd have to position carefully so the Culexis isn't within 18" of the Librarian, but these two units could theoretically lock up an enemy unit forever, just keep charging back in when they fall back.

It seems these guys are the first part of Primaris wave 2 and when the rest comes we'll get marine dex 2. But as it stands, as far as I can tell, they have to be taken as a separate detachment, they can't be taken in the same detachment as the rest of your marine army (whichever flavour of marines), as they currently exist in their own mini codex. Or would the keyword adeptus astartes allow them to be taken in the same detachment as the rest of your army?

It is the keywords which matter, not in which books they are printed.

At this point I expect a primaris codex. Because Every different Adeptus branch gets their own. Adeptus Astartes, Custodes, Phobos, and whatever the latin name of the GK are. That being said, it would make good financial sense for GW, if they are going FULL primaris, to make them their own codex. Adeptus Primaris.