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2019/04/13 07:26:42
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Gordon Shumway wrote: Brienne killed stannis off camera, didn't she? I'm finding his death difficult to remember.
Yes, but a few episodes later Ramsey confirms to Roose Bolton that they found his corpse. Roose asks who landed the killing blow so they could reward them but Ramsay says no one knows.
2019/04/13 07:42:24
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Grey Templar wrote: I think there is actually a good possibility of them stopping their subversion of classic tropes by there being a happy ending of sorts. The cast has finally grown some plot armor, enough that only the more minor characters are in danger. I think that Jon and Danerys will survive to rule over a shattered and broken land. Worst case though, Jon might die but Danerys will survive. Danerys is also most likely pregnant by now.
A prediction. I think Drogon and Rheagal will lay a clutch of eggs. I believe that scene with Dany and Jon walking up to the two of them in the snow is the reveal scene, with the eggs being in the pile of scorched remains and edited out for the teaser.
Death predictions.
Completely Safe: Dany, Arya, Sam, Tyrion.
Most likely safe, but could die: Jon, Sansa, Jamie.
Most likely going to die: Greyworm, Jora, Bran, the Hound. Greyworm, Jora, and Bran probably die during the siege of Winterfell. Greyworm and Jora in the battle itself to give us the requisite named character body count, while Bran 'dies' in some magical act of enabling Jon to strike the mortal blow to the Night King. Maybe involving time travel into the past to set future events in motion. The Hound probably ends up dying as well, possibly at the battle of Winterfell OR while fighting in Cleganebowl(which he will win but die of his injuries).
Definitely going to die: Cersie, the Mountain.
Unknown: Tormond and Brienne. I could see us losing Brienne, which will cause Tormund no small amount of grief. A reverse is also a possibility, with Brienne realizing she'd liked the hairy lug after he's dead. But I think there is a very strong possibility both of them survive and go on to have those "great big world conquering babies" Tormund wants.
I like the theory that the Night King gets stopped halfway through the show, and the rest of it is the mopping up of the whole mess.
What subversion of tropes? - that was maybe true in the death of a what appeared to be main characters but not only did they therefore prove not to be main charcacters but nothing like it has happened since. There is lot of talk about subversion - but its a myth - same as Last Jedi. The main characters were always Jon and Dany, Tyrion and few others - none of them were every going to leave the books/show. I ma fine with that.
GRM's darlings - Arya, Sam etc have always had miles thick plot shields......The sickiening idea that sam will end up on the thone is increasingly likely - after all he seems to be GRM incarnate in the books.
I think you are correct about the dragon eggs, probably some metaphysical wierdness with Dany and Jon having sex.
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The bleakness of GoT makes me feel that the ending will be that after what is built up to be the climatic final battle, the White Walkers win over Jon, the dragons and all the armies that allied against the undead.
As a coda, Cersei, Queen of King's Landing, and nothing else, looks out to see snow falling...
2019/04/13 12:27:47
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
If Cersei dies and Jaime lives I'll be quite annoyed. If anything he has created the monster of his sister. Initiated an incestuous relationship, raped her. Perhaps Jon Snow kills Jaime. I'd be happy with that. Would round up his arc, and the scene in which Jaime mocks him in season one.
Yeah Stannis isn't coming back. Brienne confirms to Davos and Melisandre that she kills him.
Brienne is such a self righteous bint. Renly had no place claiming to be Roberts successor. It's somewhat satisfying that she gets no joy out of killing Stannis. He himself is beyond caring at that point.
There's is absolutely no way that the man who says the above (a few episodes before the act) would murder his own daughter so brutally. If they wanted to change things up they should have just had Stannis burn Melisandre at the stake instead. Even his wife, who is the most devoted to the cause and has a cold attitude toward her own daughter can't even stand to see her burned. Even the men standing there do nothing.
2019/04/13 17:15:38
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Gordon Shumway wrote: So Ramsey, an unreliable witness, to say the least, is the confirmation. Where was Bienenne seen next?
What is your reasoning to suspect that he was lying?
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Gael Knight wrote: If anything he has created the monster of his sister.
No. She was murdering little girls as a teenager and had felt attracted to him since basically birth. Cersei came out the hate mentally ill, as did Jamie. At absolute worse they fed off each other.
Don't white-wash Cersei's evil because she's female.
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2019/04/13 17:27:03
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Well, Ramsey would have said anything to look good to his "dad"---political gain. If Brienne confirmed it though, I guess it's pretty well confirmed. I don't really care, Stannis was a gakker who got lulled into the false hope of religious fervor in order to benefit his own desires.
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2019/04/13 18:46:53
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: Well, Ramsey would have said anything to look good to his "dad"---political gain. If Brienne confirmed it though, I guess it's pretty well confirmed. I don't really care, Stannis was a gakker who got lulled into the false hope of religious fervor in order to benefit his own desires.
Ehhhhh. I think that if Ramsey was going to lie about finding Stannis's corpse he would have gone a step further and taken the credit, which would actually make him look good. Instead he just says he found the corpse.
Plus we know that if Ramsey had found Stannis alive, he would have tried to capture him so he could torture him. So I think he was probably genuinely disappointed that he was already dead, and thus had no motivation for lying.
Of course, this has made me realize how odd it was that Stannis was killed off-screen. A bit out of character for the show. It seems a little fishy.
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BlaxicanX wrote: No. She was murdering little girls as a teenager and had felt attracted to him since basically birth. Cersei came out the hate mentally ill, as did Jamie. At absolute worse they fed off each other.
Don't white-wash Cersei's evil because she's female.
Aye. She is irredeemable.
Jamie at the very least has had the decency to realize what a monster he was and is, and feels some amount of shame for it. Cersie just revels in her own evil.
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Stannis is irrelevant - always had been - he is there as a plot device nothing more.
He gives Melissandre someone to use and therefore the audiance a link to the Lord of Fire - plus she is cool and sexy and thats a major selling point in the show. (*)
He saves Jon Snow from the Wildlings when he is about to loose his latest battle (he never wins any on his own- he is always saved by someone)
Thats all he is needed for, so they write him out.
Jamie and Cersei - they are equally bad at the beginning - in fact he is worse since she at least has had a terible marriagewith a drunken husband who abuses her - him - nothing bad ever happens to him until his hand is chopped off. At that point he does reasess his life a bit and tries a bti harder to not do stuff liek drop children off the side of a tower. Cersei has been driven insane by the death of her children and everything else she has done and had done to her.
(*) Have any of the more benign gods ever doen anything in the show or the books?
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I don't really understand this evil-olympics between Cersei and Jamie, but Robert wasn't even abusive by his own personality. He was a drunk and a womanizer but he only ever got physical when she spazzed out on him. By the metric of the times she had as easy of a political marriage as one could hope for.
Why do people think Cersei has ever been anything under then pure, objective evil since basically day 1?
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2019/04/15 02:05:36
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Yeah, was exactly what I was expecting. Putting all the pieces in place on the board.
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2019/04/15 07:54:14
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Should add I particularly enjoyed the opening credits. Really rather fun I felt.
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Sorry. Have to do this, as the spoiler tags don't cover text when hovering a mouse on the mainpage. I've explained it poorly, but it's true!
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I do wonder if the Crpyt of Wintefell might empty itself, once The Night King shows up? Could prove pretty traumatic for all involved!
But speculation aside, I'm liking how they've remembered to include political tension. Sansa, Jurrn Snurr, even Sam Tarly all getting their moody on, as a result of revelations.
I like to think Jurrn is being the most practically minded. He is absolutely right - the North needed allies, and cannot afford to be sniffy about who they might be. Yet we cannot simply dismiss Sansa's concerns in return, because they're very real. Indeed, that nicely echoes the warning Dany got in Season 7 - that The North remembers, and she is a bit of a target, given her Father's excesses.
Only bit I feel landed a bit flat was Sam telling Jurrn about his true heritage. Nice that they just got on with that, sure. But for me the scene didn't quite click. Earnest Sam, and Jurrn looking as gormless as ever when he's not lapidating derriere. I'll be rewatching it again tonight on my big telly (watched on iPad on my way to work), so it might hold up better on a second viewing.
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Most of them, including Ned; though he was just bones.
I could see them going that way, though there's no much payoff to be had. On the whole the wraiths haven't really shown to be much more than puppets. No sign their personality remains to play off of. It could be used as a means of shifting the battle in favor of the attackers at some point I guess, but doesn't seem like it would be as impactful as it could be if it was set up differently.
2019/04/15 16:05:29
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
I didn't mind the slower pace. I think I just wish the dialogue was smarter, like how it used to be when they had GRRM's material to work with. Tyrion continues to seem about half as smart and engaging as he used to be. But it is what it is. *shrug* The scene between Jon and Daenerys at the waterfall was a nice callback to Jon and Ygritte in the cave though. Possibly some dark foreshadowing for Daenerys there.
I'll be interested to see what answers we get for some of the greater questions and mysteries in the story. Like the Stark crypts, for instance. There's certainly a lot of smoke surrounding them, and it'll be interesting to see if a fire and payoff are there.
Theorizing ahead...
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There are theories that Winterfell is a prison for the Great Other. That the castle marks where 'winter fell' and the Great Other was captured. It explains why the crypts are so cold despite the natural hot springs. It'd also explain some of the details regarding its construction.
On the other hand, some theorize that there are dragons (or at least their eggs) under Winterfell. This could obviously be a metaphorical reference to a Targaryen also.
Regardless, in the books Jon keeps having nightmares about the crypt, and it'll be interesting to see if there's a payoff for that in the show.
Oh...I still *hate* the performance for Euron. It's silly and stupid, and lowers the quality of the performances around him.
I keep waiting for Euron to do something interesting or surprising or clever, but we just keep getting Funny Accent not-Jack Sparrow Making Willy Jokes.
Cercei needs to stop bantering about killing him for being cheeky and just have the Mountain squish his head into his torso already.
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TBH at this point I'm beginning to suspect they're tee-ing up Sansa to take the Iron Throne. Khaleesi *really* doesn't like the fact the Northerners aren't dribbling on her sandals and giving her adoring nicknames, she could well end up going Full Targaryen.
My Totally Accurate But Probably Wrong prediction is: Arya dies saving Jon and killing the Night King, the rest are about to go south to deal with Cercei when Danny finds out about Jon's true parentage and goes mental, Jon is forced to fight her on dragonback and both they and both dragons die. Sansa does a big speech and takes over the armies, then they go south and Bronn helps Jamie get in to the palace and he kills Cercei with the crossbow.
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2019/04/15 17:08:39
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Glad to see so many other people dislike Euron - the Greyjoys in general are losers, but Euron is the Hot Topic shopping, Ed Hardy wearing, Axe body spray-smelling Greyjoy.
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He's not even consistently written in the length of a single scene: he somehow went from being the most arrogant man Cersei has ever seen, to asking her how he was in bed compared to her exes as he was pulling his pants up.
That's some high end insecurity right there.
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2019/04/15 17:28:18
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
I can definitely see Danny losing it when she finds out Jon is a legitimate rival rather than subordinate. I can also see that leading to something I assumed would happen pretty much since like the second or third book. Namely, Jon getting torched by a dragon and coming out of it fine.
And yeah, Euron's the worst. Definitely drags down the acting quality of every scene he's in and every one around him.
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2019/04/15 18:02:45
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
Sansa is Warden of the North; Daenerys is in charge but heartbroken at the Red Keep; and Jon, the song of ice and fire, is keeping the peace at the Wall, after having discovered and re-established the ancient truce between Men and the WW/Others.
Tyrion is the only surviving Lannister. Cersei and Jamie may be having a spat, but those two are just too full-on train wreck not to expire together. Arya survives but wanders off.
Oh...and Sandor wins Cleganebowl (which is basically confirmed now) but suffers a mortal wound and finds Joffrey's head on Gregor's body, just to make it extra fun.
where Arya asks Gendry to make her something. It looks like a socketed Dragon Glass Weapon. But even on pause, I can work out what the Dragon Glass Tip is meant to socket into?
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it looked sort of like an atalatl
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Am I wrong in thinking that Gendry basically HAS to die in order for us to even get to some Dany power-struggle shenanigans?
Its kind of bothered me over the years that very little attention has been given to the fact that a natural-born Baratheon son is still alive and actively running around Westeros. Like, yeah he's a minor character, but still...
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2019/04/15 20:32:02
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 8. Speculation and spoilers.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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