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Maybe it could be that in the end when Kylo redeems himself and becomes good, he changes his name to Ben Skywalker? More in honor of mom.. assuming Lea will die in this one, because of IRL?
I must be the only person that didn't hate TLJ. The only thing I didn't like that was more of an eyeroll for me was lea waking up in a vacuum and flying through space like nothing was wrong. Musta been those pesky midichlorians at it again.
Disappointed with The Force Awakens( least favourite film of all the movies ) yet enjoyed The Last Jedi, so bit uneasy with JJ back in the director's chair. Would much rather have Rian return for this outing...
Um...not sure what is coming next but so far its been shades of Dark Empire. As Snoke joined Kylo and Rey's minds through the force, he most likely tried to manipulate Luke into killing Kylo, but being a Master was able to shake it off at the last minute and could do like wise by projecting himself through the force on Crait - giving Kylo a damn good trolling. Luke did something similar in DE where he tricked Leia into leaving without him so she could escape the Emperor. The New Republic is turned into The Rebellion over night by a remanant of the old Empire...
Maybe there will be a civil war within the New Order...something to do with Clone Troopers as referenced in The Force Awakens? Kylo is now in charge and thinks Hux and his troopers are incompetent fools...or maybe the Emperor will take a clone body as he did in Dark Empire.
Okay, that was a wreaked Death Star in the trailer. Ah! But which one? Considering its close proximity to Endor's moon, and considering the Emperor met his dimise on the 2nd, I'd say its the one from ROTJ. A return to Endor? Hmmm!
Rey and Kylo are probably the "brother and sister" from Clone Wars and the Emperor's evil spirit is what has thrown them out of balance, while Anakin will return from the Netherworld of the Force to bring them into balance...or maybe its Luke?
Ummm...Rey needs a mentor and...Asoka seems a good candidate for that. Maybe Ezra will return with Thrawn in tow and epically bring the house down. Considering the sibling thread was in the final of Rebels along with an appearance from the Emperor( seriously, if you haven't already watched Rebels, do it now - McDiarmid is in the house! ) this would be friggin awesome. Actually, thinking of it, Rebels is hands down the best thing this side of the Disney acquistion and a certain Padawan needs closure with a long lost mentor.
Ah, I'm not in a rush for it. Its out in December when I'll be hitting the big 4-0. Scary! o_O
That was some interesting heavy breathing there at the beginning..., anyway.
I'm gonna remain cautious on this one. The initial teaser for the TLJ also looked good. Also i'm assuming they are on endor at the end, with the ruins of the second death star. As I can't think of much reason they would need to visit the ruins of the 1st death star.
Formosa wrote: I get the feeling the ENTIRE franchise is riding on this movie, if its good then it will bring back a lot of fans, if its as bad as TLJ I think a full reboot with be the only thing that saves star wars with a complete change in leadership and direction from the top down, Disney did not buy star wars for it to be driven into the ground one movie at a time.
That is just the box office too. All the merc and stuff. They are making tons of money. Disney and GW are actually similar in this sense. Failing their way into massive profits.
That article is all over the place, it mentions marketing cost but does not factor it in?? Anyway thankfully all the star wars films have been made in the UK so costs must be made publically available, star wars has made $4.7 billion so far for disney in sales, but has cost $1.3 Billion to make the movies and that does not include marketing costs for the movies which can run an average of $200 million per movie, which disney would likely be in the top end or higher for the SW movies, so 4 movies in so far thats another $1.2 Billion in marketing alone if we take the article you posted at its word, so Disney more realistically has just about hit the halfway mark with just its movie franchise.
Merc sales for the new films has been extremely poor however, not star trek poor but still pretty bad, but disney has not told us how much its made from merchandise, Toys R Us going under didnt help either as Fortune puts them at around 15% of the market pre fall, it also does not help that Star Wars toys biggest competitor is ..... Marvel, and they are flying off the shelves (38% of the toy sales which is insane!), money goes to disney either way but they are competing with themselves for shelf space, all that being said though it does not look like the merch sales for Star Wars is doing well at all, so I doubt its made up the difference yet.
That is still damn good going though and I expect the new one to make disney finally break even IF its good.
Thargrim wrote: Also i'm assuming they are on endor at the end, with the ruins of the second death star. As I can't think of much reason they would need to visit the ruins of the 1st death star.
Agreed. Besides, the 1st DS was a bit farther away from Yavin for it's ruins to land there. And it didn't look like there was much left to dirft that way anyway
In my lifetime, I've seen Bobby Ewing come back from the dead in that infamous Dallas shower scene
So, if the film makers are hell bent on bringing Palpatine back for whatever reason, no amount of bullgak will be spared in order for this to happen.
I say this, not as a criticism, but as a fact: their film, their rules.
Yeah, plot logic might go out the window, but if people pay their money and are happy with it, then I suppose that's all that counts at the end of the day...
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
The trailer was...intriguing to say the least. I'm definitely going to take a "wait and see" approach to it as I do with a lot of movies. As long as it's better than the garbage fire that was TLJ, I'm okay with it. I did enjoy seeing Lando in there, and I wonder what the whole thing with the Palpatine laugh was about?
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ZergSmasher wrote: The trailer was...intriguing to say the least. I'm definitely going to take a "wait and see" approach to it as I do with a lot of movies. As long as it's better than the garbage fire that was TLJ, I'm okay with it. I did enjoy seeing Lando in there, and I wonder what the whole thing with the Palpatine laugh was about?
I got my fingers burned with the lure of Han Solo in TFA. They certainly cashed in their nostalgia dollars with me, but as far as this Palpatine laugh goes, I ain't getting suckered again.
I would advise everybody to exercise caution.
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: In my lifetime, I've seen Bobby Ewing come back from the dead in that infamous Dallas shower scene
So, if the film makers are hell bent on bringing Palpatine back for whatever reason, no amount of bullgak will be spared in order for this to happen.
I say this, not as a criticism, but as a fact: their film, their rules.
Yeah, plot logic might go out the window, but if people pay their money and are happy with it, then I suppose that's all that counts at the end of the day...
Force Spirit Palpatine.
What else you got?
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Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: In my lifetime, I've seen Bobby Ewing come back from the dead in that infamous Dallas shower scene
So, if the film makers are hell bent on bringing Palpatine back for whatever reason, no amount of bullgak will be spared in order for this to happen.
I say this, not as a criticism, but as a fact: their film, their rules.
Yeah, plot logic might go out the window, but if people pay their money and are happy with it, then I suppose that's all that counts at the end of the day...
Force Spirit Palpatine.
What else you got?
That laugh at the end of the trailer was literally the only thing that got me interested, Palpatine is my favourite movie bad guy.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: In my lifetime, I've seen Bobby Ewing come back from the dead in that infamous Dallas shower scene
So, if the film makers are hell bent on bringing Palpatine back for whatever reason, no amount of bullgak will be spared in order for this to happen.
I say this, not as a criticism, but as a fact: their film, their rules.
Yeah, plot logic might go out the window, but if people pay their money and are happy with it, then I suppose that's all that counts at the end of the day...
Force Spirit Palpatine.
What else you got?
Midichlorians??
"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Well, if you want to go beyond light-hearted quips, and get all 'serious' about it, then let's stick to the official cannon.
Force-spirit ghosts, to the best of my understanding, from reading the official revenge of the Sith novel, is an ability limited to Jedi only, the good guys. It's byond the spiritual understanding and ability of those who practice the dark side of the force.
You'll note a recurring pattern: Obi-Wan, Yoda, Liam Neeson, and Anakin Skywalker, when he redeemed himself after ROTJ.
So if the creators want to gak over their own official canon, then it's no skin off my nose. Your opinion may differ.
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deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
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Errrm, well. Bringing Palaptine back can work, but they have to do it correctly.
I still have some hope, but there is a very good possibility they choke.
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SamusDrake wrote: Ah! But in Clone Wars Yoda meets a swanky sith lord ghost! Apparently voiced by Mark Hamill!
Damn your eyes!
In my defence, I can't be expected to know every cartoon, film, official happy meal, or whatever infinite spin-offs have happened these past decades.
Anyway, he's not a ghost, he's a...phantom, an apparition. Big difference.
Edit. Didn't Mark Hamill disown his Star Wars input? Technically, this voice-over should be nul and void.
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"Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky. But is it true?" - Tom Kirby, CEO, Games Workshop Ltd
Did you even watch the clip you just posted? He's not a force ghost. He doesn't even realise he's dead. It's some Sith trick an "illusion" as Yoda states. A test for those who wish to enter the tomb.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: In my lifetime, I've seen Bobby Ewing come back from the dead in that infamous Dallas shower scene
So, if the film makers are hell bent on bringing Palpatine back for whatever reason, no amount of bullgak will be spared in order for this to happen.
I say this, not as a criticism, but as a fact: their film, their rules.
Yeah, plot logic might go out the window, but if people pay their money and are happy with it, then I suppose that's all that counts at the end of the day...
Well, clones are an established part of this story, and the idea of the Emperor 'jumping' into a cloned body has been done before in the EU...
Unless there's a way to artificially boost your mitichlorian count, that's like saying good genetics are a reflection of your athletic potential and not the cause.
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Galef wrote: Having said that, there is 1 thing I will be HIGHLY disappointed with if it doesn't appear in EpX. Rey needs a Light-Staff. It just makes sense for so many reasons:
That's been my call ever since TFA. And Ridley gave kind of a cagey answer when asked about Luke's saber:
Ridley said, “My answer is not the end of the story because there are many more months to come and a film to come, but the lightsaber that Rey inherited from Luke lives.”
Galef wrote: Apparently Rian Johnson stated that he'd be ok if JJ retcons some of his Last Jedi decisions. I kinda hope he does (like Rey's parents actually being someone and the "nobody" business was a lie either told by Kylo or shown to Kylo so he believes it but it's not true)
All the specific things I think people hated about TLJ can be categorized as deviating from what JJ had set up in TFA. "Subverting expectations" only works when the payoff is worth it.
TFA already hinted that Rey's parents were nobodies, as Maz flat out told Rey to get over her parentage as they are gone for good. Since Maz was the Yoda subsitute (ie. really wise sage), what she said must have had some truth behind it. And really, that was the best outcome, as people are sick of everyone being related to each other and damn Skywalker clan running everything, like McMahons running WWE. Also it made Rey's character much more real and likeable. She was dreaming of having a big messianic background, and she did not have it. Her disappointment in that scene, when Kylo brings down her cloud castle, is tangible and touching.
Seriously, there was never a "big great plan" for either Rey's or Snoke's origin. They were just characters made for that movie with enough vagueness left in them so that they could be taken to multiple directions. Which is exactly what Lucas did in original trilogy. Pretty much none of what happened in Ep V or VI was planned when New Hope was being made.
In the prequels, of course, Lucas had laid it out all before and it went horribly wrong. But that is another story.
Any way, re: teaser, well it's just random collection of scenes. Doesn't really tell us anything. Opening scene is likely Rey being hunted by one of the Knights of Ren. Name of the movie kind of seems to spoil the ending, as it's not Rise of the SkywalkerS. There is only 1 Skywalker left, Kylo Ren. He has already fallen, so apparently he will rise now. Death Star wreck and Palpatine laughter seems to hint of him returning, but it might just as well be some short Force ghost or echo with little effect on overall story.
No big space battle? Well, it could still come I suppose.
So Lando comes back to simply drive the Falcon for old times sake - same as before, just older, like Han? That is MEGA disappointing. Lando was a leader type, by now he should be a major faction leader, maybe Emperor.
Poster looks good I suppose.
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Necros wrote: Maybe it could be that in the end when Kylo redeems himself and becomes good, he changes his name to Ben Skywalker? More in honor of mom.. assuming Lea will die in this one, because of IRL?
I must be the only person that didn't hate TLJ. The only thing I didn't like that was more of an eyeroll for me was lea waking up in a vacuum and flying through space like nothing was wrong. Musta been those pesky midichlorians at it again.
I loved the Last Jedi.
Flying through space would be an easy feat for someone who can move objects with the Force.
So Lando comes back to simply drive the Falcon for old times sake - same as before, just older, like Han? That is MEGA disappointing. Lando was a leader type, by now he should be a major faction leader, maybe Emperor.
I would imagine Lando is leading the Cavalry for the epic space battle at the end of the movie.
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I would imagine Lando is leading the Cavalry for the epic space battle at the end of the movie.
That is pretty much how I imagine it too, and would make great deal of sense.
So given that, JJ probably brings him back simply for few gags and a nostalgy act.
edit. By the way, that desert world is Endor. Fall of the Death Star II caused a major environmental disaster on the ecosystem, widespread desertification, and extinction of the Ewok.
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