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2019/08/29 09:31:28
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
It does look kind of too similar to the current metal ones; I would have liked it if they took more reference to the original Rogue Trader ones, which are still by far the best representation still.
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2019/08/29 09:43:43
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Shadenuat wrote: Now to the divinations:
why banshees? it would be more reasonable to do Spiders, Spears i.e oldest aspects. I can just guess, ie maybe because they're a more canonical, face of eldar aspects; or because they need better rules more.
Phoenix Lords? At that point I am not sure anymore. Can get models, can stay Finecast, can even go into Legends.
How many more? My guess every faction will get some, so it can be just Banshees, or maybe them and 1 more aspect or something.
But then trailer has a hint on Eldar in the very end, so there is hope for more.
The why I find simple. Howling Banshees is one of the few elite units available in Kill Team so I am not surprised they would focus on getting Kill Team units into plastic so they can get more people hooked on plastic more easily.
One of the Rumor Engine pics does hint that we might be getting Jain Zar plastic. Does look like her hair.
I wouldn't rule it out to be honest. Even if CW is a strong army its internal balance is so crappy that people are just running a very limited amount of units when playing.
Pilum wrote: Well, looks like I have a hat to eat. I seriously thought we'd never see an Aspect - or even Classic Eldar - update and they'd all get folded into Ynnari. Of course, the annoying thing is I have a ton of the aspects in That Material already and space isnt infinite...
Also surprisingly deflated at how conservative the design is. I mean - yay, they'll fit nicely into the existing force, but ... a feeling of "is that it?" remains. Which is odd, seeing as I've been severely in love with the Aspects since the original Dwarf article.
As for a hope? Give the girls the old power sword back. The old S5 -3(?) save monster from RT/2nd. They never recovered from being nerfed to S:User in 3rd. Not sure they'll get it though.
I got kinda similar feeling, also it's just one single model of a whole squad , so i get this feel vibe they are keeping something more in the shade (wich will end in dissapointment for sure )
Either way if it's a slow let's redo the aspects in plastics it's a welcome edition since it means the range will remain active and not phased soon.
Plastic Howling Banshees can also serve a dual purpose: Provide the autarch with the Banshee helmet for conversion. I think that is a win for GW in many ways.
Otherwise I fully expect we will get all the Exarch options and maybe one banshee in a squad can have a special weapon of some sort(like the grav gun for Space Marines a few years back). This would get people to buy the new kits.
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2019/08/29 10:14:43
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
I think it would be silly to have one special weapon on a normal Banshee in a squad. Aspects follow a trend of identical weaponry with only the Exarch having something special. So I think if they added weapon options it would be something everyone would swap to. Like all Banshees in a unit getting Triskeles for example.
Also if they released a plastic Jain Zar I would preorder that in a heartbeat as I would for every Phoenix Lord that isn't Asurmen.
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2019/08/29 10:38:18
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
My main concern, if that's warranted is that most Aspect Warriors suck ass right now - so it's an odd time to release them. I imagine they'll sell fine, but they've chosen one of the least-used units and I hope they don't use it to gauge interest. If a new Eldar book isn't released soon they'll have to at least put in a Swordwind style detachment in the new expansion with some rules aimed at Aspect Warriors.
Most Aspect Warriors have been as bad as marines (expensive, with one wound...die pointlessly to chaff). Howling Banshees have...two attacks. Ork Boy (half cost) can have 6-7. It's the same Space Marine dilemma of being an Elite in a horde/chaff game. Marines had some fixes...and then a new fancy book. A lot of the Aspects will need similar help to make them worth buying for the non-lore/non-grognard players.
This is a big fear for me.
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pm713 wrote: I think it would be silly to have one special weapon on a normal Banshee in a squad. Aspects follow a trend of identical weaponry with only the Exarch having something special. So I think if they added weapon options it would be something everyone would swap to. Like all Banshees in a unit getting Triskeles for example.
Also if they released a plastic Jain Zar I would preorder that in a heartbeat as I would for every Phoenix Lord that isn't Asurmen.
What's wrong with Asurmen?
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2019/08/29 10:44:00
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
I have to say, I never liked the style of Eldar armour. Not sure what it is exactly, there's just something about the style that's always put me off.
That aside, it seems like a nice model.
Hope it's not just a unit of monopose models.
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2019/08/29 10:44:12
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Well, supposingly Eldar is one of the next projects of GW, in particular plastic aspect warriors.
It took GW a very long time to accomplish this. Not a bad move.
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My main concern, if that's warranted is that most Aspect Warriors suck ass right now - so it's an odd time to release them. I imagine they'll sell fine, but they've chosen one of the least-used units and I hope they don't use it to gauge interest. If a new Eldar book isn't released soon they'll have to at least put in a Swordwind style detachment in the new expansion with some rules aimed at Aspect Warriors.
Most Aspect Warriors have been as bad as marines (expensive, with one wound...die pointlessly to chaff). Howling Banshees have...two attacks. Ork Boy (half cost) can have 6-7. It's the same Space Marine dilemma of being an Elite in a horde/chaff game. Marines had some fixes...and then a new fancy book. A lot of the Aspects will need similar help to make them worth buying for the non-lore/non-grognard players.
This is a big fear for me.
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pm713 wrote: I think it would be silly to have one special weapon on a normal Banshee in a squad. Aspects follow a trend of identical weaponry with only the Exarch having something special. So I think if they added weapon options it would be something everyone would swap to. Like all Banshees in a unit getting Triskeles for example.
Also if they released a plastic Jain Zar I would preorder that in a heartbeat as I would for every Phoenix Lord that isn't Asurmen.
What's wrong with Asurmen?
Nothing at all I just already have an Asurmen so any new model has to be good enough to replace the current one I already painted.
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2019/08/29 11:01:15
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
I knew I was right in converting up a Banshee for my Kill Team from an AOS Elf a couple of weeks ago. Thanks, Gee Dubs.
I'll get right on making some other plastic coversion Aspects so that GW replace more of the old kits.
I'm kidding, my Exodite forces are all gonna have weird looking units anyway, but I'm super happy to see new Craftworld Aspect models. I'm hoping this is the start of even more good things to come, looking forward to having a squard of each. I've been planning the paint schemes since getting back into the hobby a few years back.
craggy wrote: I knew I was right in converting up a Banshee for my Kill Team from an AOS Elf a couple of weeks ago. Thanks, Gee Dubs.
I'll get right on making some other plastic coversion Aspects so that GW replace more of the old kits.
Shining Spears please!
I wouldn't mind new reapers that are made like the Rogue Trader ones. Never liked the dwarf ones from 3rd edition, nor the weird head ones we currently have.
Swooping Hawks are still the 3rd ed design, so maybe they need a change more urgently than even the 2nd edition Warp Spiders, to bury any memory of 3rd edition.
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2019/08/29 11:22:48
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
That's usually how they do it when the update dated elite choices from a book into a new range (e.g. Plague Marines, Harlequins, Rubric Marines, etc..).
2019/08/29 11:32:11
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
I'd reckon it more likely the new Banshees (assuming they get new, better rules, for a little while, at least) will be in one of the new campaign books. With luck, alongside some other Aspects in a specialist detachment.
Argive wrote: Yeah I don't really see dual kits being a thing. The armours are all very different and the banshees are all chicks for starters unless I'm seeing things lol.
However if they get new load outs that would be very very cool. If you could have the entire unit with mirror swords or executioner?
That would be something to write home about. It feels like they'd sort of have to at this stage to keep up with the power creep. 1Dmg power swords don't really seem to go far these days. Not that it matters. We are getting plastic aspects so I don't even care about the rules at this stage.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: Congrats Eldars out there, I'm very happy for you. Question is, how many organs will you need to sell for them ? As well, will the others be there or is this just a tease to hold you over for the next decade ?
BrianDavion wrote: it would be odd to do simply one aspect warrior, I bet we'll see plastics of all of em
My main concern, if that's warranted is that most Aspect Warriors suck ass right now - so it's an odd time to release them. I imagine they'll sell fine, but they've chosen one of the least-used units and I hope they don't use it to gauge interest. If a new Eldar book isn't released soon they'll have to at least put in a Swordwind style detachment in the new expansion with some rules aimed at Aspect Warriors.
Most Aspect Warriors have been as bad as marines (expensive, with one wound...die pointlessly to chaff). Howling Banshees have...two attacks. Ork Boy (half cost) can have 6-7. It's the same Space Marine dilemma of being an Elite in a horde/chaff game. Marines had some fixes...and then a new fancy book. A lot of the Aspects will need similar help to make them worth buying for the non-lore/non-grognard players.
I agree this is a lil bit of a concern.
I'm doing my part and picking up a good couple boxes when these hit the shelves. I have a list with at least 10-20 banshees Id like to run. Also, while maybe not top tier competitive (and rly who cares?) the aspects are fun units. If I can get them all in plastic I will be fielding a lot of aspects.
Not in the organ market as of right now, I'm just happy you'll be getting the plastic aspects. So I hope they do them all even though the pain will be great I am sure. The eldar players really have waited long enough, hell ad mech became an army and bitched for a plastic transport and got it before the plastic aspects lol.
Sisters managed to get a plastic army first.
2019/08/29 12:13:05
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
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2019/08/29 13:04:52
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Eldarsif wrote: The why I find simple. Howling Banshees is one of the few elite units available in Kill Team so I am not surprised they would focus on getting Kill Team units into plastic so they can get more people hooked on plastic more easily
Well yeah, but with this decision they do raise expectations and now everyone would go "so when is the rest of the stuff coming?".
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2019/08/29 13:59:18
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
Aaranis wrote: I don't know, they still look ugly to me. Guess it's just the Craftworlds design that doesn't suit my tastes with so many... curves.
If you prefer things more flat there are always new SoB.
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2019/08/29 14:00:19
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
In general I hope the Aspects keep their existing single weapon options, but hopefully their Exarchs get at least 2 alternate weapon choices above the standard.
Although for Banshees, I could see them get a rules revamp in which the unit can take 1 Sword that is +1S AP-3 or paired Swords that are +1A AP-2. But for the purposes of dual-kitting, keep every aspect with a single weapon option allows more sprue space.
Banshees and Hawks can easily share a kit as they both have lighter armour and leaping stances. Head and Arm swaps are fairly standard, and for the Hawks, you could have Wings. 5 Female torso front halves and about 3 Male front halves gives you enough to do all Female Banshees (though males do exist in Fluff) or a mix gender unit for Hawks.
Do the same for Dragons/Reaper and Scoprions/Spiders and you've just sold 3 boxes to me. But if these are NOT dual-kits (which seems unfortunatley likely), I won't be buying any of them
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pm713 wrote: Galef you seem to really like the idea of dual kitting. Why is that?
2 reasons: A) Its efficient and that pleases my OCD and B) It can give you far more bang for your buck....if you know how
As an extensive conversionist, I can see many ways to either use magnets to swap out between the units, or even just take advantage of people selling off the extra bits for great conversions. Just look at the Necron dual kits. There's great conversion option in those kits. Given that Guardians have similar armour, buying 1 Guardian Kit + 1, say 5-elf Dragon/Reaper kit could easily get you 6 Dragons AND 6 Reapers, with 3 models left for the next box
And a third reason to want Aspect Warrior dual kits in particular is that I do not need more Aspects for gaming, but would love to have 1 of each plastic Aspect just to paint and display. If they are dual kits, I only need to buy 3 boxes. If they aren't, I'll be priced out
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pm713 wrote: Galef you seem to really like the idea of dual kitting. Why is that?
2 reasons:
A) Its efficient and that pleases my OCD and
B) It can give you far more bang for your buck....if you know how
As an extensive conversionist, I can see many ways to either use magnets to swap out between the units, or even just take advantage of people selling off the extra bits for great conversions. Just look at the Necron dual kits. There's great conversion option in those kits.
Given that Guardians have similar armour, buying 1 Guardian Kit + 1, say 5-elf Dragon/Reaper kit could easily get you 6 Dragons AND 6 Reapers, with 3 models left for the next box
And a third reason to want Aspect Warrior dual kits in particular is that I do not need more Aspects for gaming, but would love to have 1 of each plastic Aspect just to paint and display. If they are dual kits, I only need to buy 3 boxes. If they aren't, I'll be priced out
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Fair enough. My concern is that GW would take dual kits as an excuse to raise the price a significant amount while not leaving enough in the kit to justify it for people like me who aren't all that good at conversions.
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2019/08/29 15:31:25
Subject: Plastic Banshees - NOVA Revealed -The world must be ending - Aspects in plastic!!??
pm713 wrote: My concern is that GW would take dual kits as an excuse to raise the price a significant amount while not leaving enough in the kit to justify it for people like me who aren't all that good at conversions.
There's always that possibility but with plastic Aspect Warriors being so anticipated, the kits are likely to be very expensive regardless of being single or dual-kitted.
However, if we look as the price of Dire Avengers ($35 for 5 models) and the Necron Lychguard/Praetorian kit ($40 for 5 much bigger models and a dual kit), I think we can agree on where the pricing in likely to fall. I'd much rather pay $40 and have options than $35 for none
pm713 wrote: My concern is that GW would take dual kits as an excuse to raise the price a significant amount while not leaving enough in the kit to justify it for people like me who aren't all that good at conversions.
There's always that possibility but with plastic Aspect Warriors being so anticipated, the kits are likely to be very expensive regardless of being single or dual-kitted.
However, if we look as the price of Dire Avengers ($35 for 5 models) and the Necron Lychguard/Praetorian kit ($40 for 5 much bigger models and a dual kit), I think we can agree on where the pricing in likely to fall. I'd much rather pay $40 and have options than $35 for none
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The age of the kit is a factor (Dire Avengers are way older than Lychguard/Praetorians), as is the two-sprue v. three-sprue question, and even then those don't always serve as predictors. Consider Sternguard Veterans v. Deathwatch Veterans; the Deathwatch are newer and have more options, and they're both two-sprue kits, but the Sternguard are $50/5 models and the Deathwatch are $35/5 models.
I'd hope the Banshees are a $35-$40/5 kit, given that GW seems to be trying to move price per model back down there (Primaris were $35/5 when the Combat Squads kits were a thing).
Agreed. And assuming they aren't dual-kits and don't include any new options (requiring new rules), we are talking about spindly little Elves, not bulky Primaris. So hopefully they kits are less than $30 per 5.
Heck, if they follow the same pattern as some DE kits, we might even see 5 for $25, even for the Jump units. Hellions are 5 Elves on skyboards for $25, so Hawks and Spiders could follow suit
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