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 Bobthehero wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
I'd love for something more tacticool, but they should have done Scions in that style first, right now it would be strange having regular Guardsmen look more tacticool than Scions.

Tacti-lame can go die in a fire.

Better than steampunk, for sure

Yeah, I don’t like the look of the AOS dwarves.

 Bobthehero wrote:
Better than steampunk, for sure

Guard should ideally be dieselpunk, not steampunk (and emphatically not tacticool - the only tacticool humans in 40K should be gue'vesa).

Whatever-punk sucks.

Plenty of tacticoolness in the novels for the Guard, so it fits, as well.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Better than steampunk, for sure

Guard should ideally be dieselpunk, not steampunk (and emphatically not tacticool - the only tacticool humans in 40K should be gue'vesa).

This idea is always funny.

Where do you think the Gue'vesa are getting their gear from? The Tau aren't building it for them. They use whatever gear the planet they're raised on had, with iconography removed and replaced.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Duskweaver wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Better than steampunk, for sure

Guard should ideally be dieselpunk, not steampunk (and emphatically not tacticool - the only tacticool humans in 40K should be gue'vesa).

This idea is always funny.

Where do you think the Gue'vesa are getting their gear from? The Tau aren't building it for them. They use whatever gear the planet they're raised on had, with iconography removed and replaced.

Source?

Pretty much anything and everything we've had about Gue'vesa?

They're not given Tau equipment(pulse rifles, armor, sensors, etc) unless they're "trusted"--much like how Kroot Shapers can take a Pulse Rifle but the Kroot Squads aren't exactly running around with Pulse Rifles and carapace armor.

Canonically the Tau will open up armories that the PDF had and redistribute that gear, alongside of salvaged Guard equipment as well. Further production for Gue'vesa after the settlement of the area will incorporate more Tau aesthetic elements but still will be human gear.

Bobthehero wrote:Whatever-punk sucks.

Says the guy who plays DKoK, literally the most dieselpunk IG models GW have ever produced.

Kanluwen wrote:They use whatever gear the planet they're raised on had, with iconography removed and replaced.

Fluff details like this are generally made up to fit the models, not the other way around. I'm talking purely about what I think should be the aesthetic 'feel' of the miniatures, not "Akshooally *adjusts spectacles* that doesn't make sense in the lore" stuff. The point is that tacticool-looking Guard-a-likes would 'feel right' for gue'vesa, but do not remotely 'feel right' as actual IG. IMO, obviously.

I'd like to see IG look like the conscripted slave-soldiers of a dystopian and archaic theocracy with WWI mud-and-trenches-and-industrial-slaughter (or WWII Stalingrad) overtones, rather than like extras from the Starship Troopers movies.

Looking back to 2nd edition I'd like to see the old guard uniforms that were illustrated. They look better than the bland Cadians. GW could bring Squats as a elite choice. Let them be transported by a termite tunneler.

 Duskweaver wrote:

Bobthehero wrote:Whatever-punk sucks.

Says the guy who plays DKoK, literally the most dieselpunk IG models GW have ever produced.

Krieg is pre-diesel punk. And besides, I play my Scion army a lot more and it has models like those



Which I prefer over the Krieg ones.

Nah, Krieg all day above and beyond this tacticool stuff.

This is a little excessive for regular Guiardsmen, yes.

 Bobthehero wrote:
This is a little excessive for regular Guiardsmen, yes.

I don't mind it if you equip scions that way or kaskin, but your basic IG infantry should definately be more archaic.

Rifle, shovel, bayonett and uniform aswell as some flakplates.

I dunno, my Kriegsmen all have a lot of extra kit on them, beyond what you listen.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I dunno, my Kriegsmen all have a lot of extra kit on them, beyond what you listen.

Heresy.
Infact shovel are optional

Or maybee i am the Heretic

 Duskweaver wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:They use whatever gear the planet they're raised on had, with iconography removed and replaced.

Fluff details like this are generally made up to fit the models, not the other way around. I'm talking purely about what I think should be the aesthetic 'feel' of the miniatures, not "Akshooally *adjusts spectacles* that doesn't make sense in the lore" stuff. The point is that tacticool-looking Guard-a-likes would 'feel right' for gue'vesa, but do not remotely 'feel right' as actual IG. IMO, obviously.

Gue'vesa have never had models, so the models can be made to fit the lore. But y'know, there's a whole other reason for why your take is kinda silly. More to that in a moment...

I'd like to see IG look like the conscripted slave-soldiers of a dystopian and archaic theocracy with WWI mud-and-trenches-and-industrial-slaughter (or WWII Stalingrad) overtones, rather than like extras from the Starship Troopers movies.

And here's the problem, right here.

With the fluff that currently exists for the Guard? Cadians work, Valhallans work, Krieg work, everything works. You can have yours, Bob can have his tacticool, etc.

Why? Because there is no standardized pattern of equipment spanning the entirety of the Imperium. It's all regional, based upon the various Forge Worlds and supply chains that are setup for them.

The absolute closest? Cadian pattern armor, which has been retconned to be produced via a STC rather than being locally manufactured...with the exception of the helmets which are a Cadian design.

I don't care how they do it, but give me an IG great coat aesthetic and you can have my money!

Catachans all the way.

Idea for cover: Schwarzenegger, Stallone & Lundgren in their prime clad in camo gear. On second notice put also Rousey and Carano on it to promote the new female Catachan models.

And GW, where is my Catachan Choppa? Don´t make me wait for it as long as you tortured those poor Sororitas players.

Elyesians remain by far the best looking guard regiment by far and the vein had cool vehicles.

 Weazel wrote:
Don't expect to get multi-posed guys if they redo AM infantry.

As the vast majority of my Guard are Steel Legion, Vostroyan, or 2e era metal, & I'm quite happy with them, I'd be perfectly fine with that.
And I DO know how to use an exacto knife/green stuff/& glue. So if they make a mono pose I really want in some other pose? I can do something about that.

Bobthehero wrote:Krieg is pre-diesel punk.

Do a Google search for "dieselpunk soldier". The vast majority of what comes up would fit right in with DKoK stuff.

And besides, I play my Scion army a lot more and it has models like those

I think those look absolutely ridiculous and not 40K at all. (But I'll freely admit this is purely a personal preference thing - I hate the look of Van Saar models in Necromunda as well, and still haven't quite fully accepted the existence of Tau after nearly two decades. )

Kanluwen wrote: Gue'vesa have never had models, so the models can be made to fit the lore.

That's not how GW have operated for years now. Model designs come first. Fluff is written to fit. Previous fluff that doesn't work with the new models is ruthlessly retconned. If GW were hypothetically to design models for gue'vesa, the previous fluff details are irrelevant. They would be made to fit in with the overall aesthetic of the Tau faction, and the lore would be changed if necessary.

Because there is no standardized pattern of equipment spanning the entirety of the Imperium. It's all regional, based upon the various Forge Worlds and supply chains that are setup for them.

I think you've not understood what I'm saying. Obviously, there can be lots of different styles of IG regiment in the lore. What I'm saying is that, if GW were to design a new range of IG models, then they should look more like Krieg (or Steel Legion, or Vostroyans) and less like Cadians.

The absolute closest? Cadian pattern armor, which has been retconned to be produced via a STC rather than being locally manufactured...with the exception of the helmets which are a Cadian design.

And this particular lore detail was itself written purely to explain why the Cadian plastics (which 90% of IG players use) are the 'default'. If there is a new range of 'default' Guard models, this lore detail can easily be retconned away. GW certainly won't feel constrained by some minor fluff detail most players aren't even aware of.

 Duskweaver wrote:

Kanluwen wrote: Gue'vesa have never had models, so the models can be made to fit the lore.

That's not how GW have operated for years now. Model designs come first. Fluff is written to fit. Previous fluff that doesn't work with the new models is ruthlessly retconned. If GW were hypothetically to design models for gue'vesa, the previous fluff details are irrelevant. They would be made to fit in with the overall aesthetic of the Tau faction, and the lore would be changed if necessary.

Cool, so where's the part that makes Kroot fit in with the overall aesthetic of the Tau?

Because there is no standardized pattern of equipment spanning the entirety of the Imperium. It's all regional, based upon the various Forge Worlds and supply chains that are setup for them.

I think you've not understood what I'm saying. Obviously, there can be lots of different styles of IG regiment in the lore. What I'm saying is that, if GW were to design a new range of IG models, then they should look more like Krieg (or Steel Legion, or Vostroyans) and less like Cadians.

Why?

You claim you don't want an army looking like scifi movie extras...have you not watched the vast majority of scifi these days? Cause you're doing exactly that with Krieg or Steel Legion(which are, again, patterned off of WW2 German paratroopers).

And, again, you've clearly decided to just ignore what I actually posted in this thread. You want YOUR vision of the Guard to be the only one there is--despite the fact that there literally is no standardized vision of the Guard. Which was the whole damn point of what I said.

The absolute closest? Cadian pattern armor, which has been retconned to be produced via a STC rather than being locally manufactured...with the exception of the helmets which are a Cadian design.

And this particular lore detail was itself written purely to explain why the Cadian plastics (which 90% of IG players use) are the 'default'. If there is a new range of 'default' Guard models, this lore detail can easily be retconned away. GW certainly won't feel constrained by some minor fluff detail most players aren't even aware of.

And the part that you're missing is that this isn't "just" written to explain that.

It's also been expounded upon, modelwise. One only has to look at Blackstone Fortress and its depiction of Renegade Guardsmen to see what I mean.

I think it's time for a new plastic regiment. I like Tallarn and steel legion. It would be cool if they revisited the Necromundans but whatever they do should be a mixed sex regiment.

It'll never happen, but I would love to see 2-3 new regiments with upgrade kits for the rest. Since GW love to use leg bits as limiters,

I'd say they should do Necromunda Spiders as a Trenchcoat regiment, Legio Solar (or whatever the Solar Auxilla are now) as a "dress" regiment, and Tanith as "fatigues" regiment. Kits for Steel Legion, Vostroyan, Valhallan, and possibly Kreig would use the Spiders kit, Cadian, Mordian, and Praetorian would use the Solar kit, and Catachan, Tallarn, and Elysian would use the Tanith kit.

Again, though, it would be expensive to do and I doubt GW will do it if they redo Guard.

(I know I post this every single "redo Guard" thread, but I like the idea, and no one has argued otherwise)

If it had to be a single faction, probably steel legion. They're generic enough to fit any kind of terrain/climate and they look great

Arcanis161 wrote:
It'll never happen, but I would love to see 2-3 new regiments with upgrade kits for the rest. Since GW love to use leg bits as limiters,

I'd say they should do Necromunda Spiders as a Trenchcoat regiment, Legio Solar (or whatever the Solar Auxilla are now) as a "dress" regiment, and Tanith as "fatigues" regiment. Kits for Steel Legion, Vostroyan, Valhallan, and possibly Kreig would use the Spiders kit, Cadian, Mordian, and Praetorian would use the Solar kit, and Catachan, Tallarn, and Elysian would use the Tanith kit.

Again, though, it would be expensive to do and I doubt GW will do it if they redo Guard.

(I know I post this every single "redo Guard" thread, but I like the idea, and no one has argued otherwise)

That would be awesome. I've always wanted to do an IG army, and Cadians with third party heads would be fine, but GW could do so much better these days.

Plastic Vostroyans with suitably themed vehicles and units would be amazing.

Imagine a Kossack-themed Ogryn with a beard and fluffy hat, holding a Hammer and Sickle as melee weapons lol

 Ishagu wrote:
Plastic Vostroyans with suitably themed vehicles and units would be amazing.

Imagine a Kossack-themed Ogryn with a beard and fluffy hat, holding a Hammer and Sickle as melee weapons lol

You realize that the ones with hammers and sickles as their symbol killed the ones Vostroyans are inspired from?
You probably mean valhallans.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never see any more new guard models. They're a legacy army, like mini marines. Maybe some day GW will redo them, but if they do it'll be a total reboot primaris-style. Just my feeling.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if we never see any more new guard models. They're a legacy army, like mini marines.

And your evidence for this is...?

I feel like guard should be able to support a few regiment boxes purely on sales. They should be popular enough.
dual boxes, normal guard/Command box maybe.
Each one comes with a new weapon selection to make GW happy.
And maybe start updating some of the tanks that are a bit long on the tooth. Russ i think thinks good, but it needs tracks moved up a bit and i think the barrel could be thinner for the main gun and still look good. Give it a bit of a update. Chimera i would like to see the same for. Tracked tanks are awesome, and i feel like GW has just not done any for a while.

 Duskweaver wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Better than steampunk, for sure

Guard should ideally be dieselpunk, not steampunk (and emphatically not tacticool - the only tacticool humans in 40K should be gue'vesa).

I guess the Elysians, Cadian Kasrkin, and Harakoni Warhawks are "not 40k enough" for you?


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 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if we never see any more new guard models. They're a legacy army, like mini marines. Maybe some day GW will redo them, but if they do it'll be a total reboot primaris-style. Just my feeling.

I suspect the Guard will get a few bones thrown their way here and there. Like the reintroduction of the Carnodon, and the Guard being able to use Volkite weapons on said Carnodon tank. But nothing major in the very near future.


So, unless you go with Cadians, Catachan, or sell your are arm, leg, first born, and soul to build up a Death Korps army, it gotta to be homebrew or third party.