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Aash wrote:
If the army was to be launched now, referencing current pop culture from the past decade or so what big movies etc do you think would be the source of inspiration?

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, obviously.

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 AtoMaki wrote:
Aash wrote:
If the army was to be launched now, referencing current pop culture from the past decade or so what big movies etc do you think would be the source of inspiration?

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, obviously.


Fair enough. I don’t play it, and don’t think I’d recognise if models were designed with that as inspiration. Is the call of duty look particularly iconic?

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I guess what I’m saying, is back in the 90s/early 00s when I was starting out in 40k I remember looking at the model range of IG and others doing the same and saying things like “oh cool, it’s like WW2 tanks with Rambo in space” or “oh wow, I could make an army that’s like Aliens meets Starship Troopers! I’m getting some of these!” I just don’t see that sort of hook with the current IG stuff, maybe Call of Duty would have that kind of appeal for new players, but I think that’s passed me by!

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Aash wrote:
 AtoMaki wrote:
Aash wrote:
If the army was to be launched now, referencing current pop culture from the past decade or so what big movies etc do you think would be the source of inspiration?

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, obviously.

Fair enough. I don’t play it, and don’t think I’d recognise if models were designed with that as inspiration. Is the call of duty look particularly iconic?

Don't worry, I'm 99% sure that you would actually recognize the CoD visuals. You might not think about it while we just talk, but it is an almost guaranteed hit if you can look at an actual model. At worst you know the style on a different name like 'operator' or 'tacticool' - but both of these were basically invented by CoD .

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 AtoMaki wrote:
Aash wrote:
 AtoMaki wrote:
Aash wrote:
If the army was to be launched now, referencing current pop culture from the past decade or so what big movies etc do you think would be the source of inspiration?

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, obviously.

Fair enough. I don’t play it, and don’t think I’d recognise if models were designed with that as inspiration. Is the call of duty look particularly iconic?

Don't worry, I'm 99% sure that you would actually recognize the CoD visuals. You might not think about it while we just talk, but it is an almost guaranteed hit if you can look at an actual model. At worst you know the style on a different name like 'operator' or 'tacticool' - but both of these were basically invented by CoD .


You could be right, I’d probably need to see the models to know if they’d register like that for me. I guess I think of the tacticool look as more of a generic military aesthetic rather than having a specific point of inspiration. I wasn’t aware tat Call of Duty was where the look was first introduced/popularised.

I think I miss the the feeling I got when I saw the models and artwork when I started 40k where almost everything was inspired by (ripped off?!) from an established IP. I loved that IG was like Predator and Aliens, and that Tyranids/genestealers were like xenomorphs, Necrons were an army of Terminators, Arbites were like Judge Dredd etc.

It’s also cool that the 40k range has established its own look and has developed into its own independent IP and formed it’s own identity, but I still miss the more obvious sources of pop culture “inspiration”.

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I feel like 1 kit isn't really enough to make or represent guard.

otoh, sure you could make an extremely customizable kit, with 2 legs / torsoes, etc. but A that would probably be the most expensive infantry box ever and B, it would be for an army that does need a decent degree of quantity.

If i could i'd probably go for 3 kits.

1 is modern aka an updated Cadian sprue or totally diffrent

1 is greatcoat ( not much to say, between the Godwin one and or krieger in plastic theres a whole slew of options, heck even armageddon would be on the plate imo.)

1 is PDF which is basically autoguns and impro / old equipment.

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@not online!!! That pdf box could be used for chaos cultists aswell wich is also needed.

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Gitdakka wrote:
@not online!!! That pdf box could be used for chaos cultists aswell wich is also needed.


add in a sprue like for GSC with heads and icons and knives / pistols trophies and bam done.
Actually i didn't even think about that and thought more along the line of conscripts.

Which on another note, why can't conscripts get HWT's again one would imagine that to counterbalance their abismal offensive capabilites and their use as stopgap , they'd get all the stubbers left over?

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Not Online!!! wrote:
I feel like 1 kit isn't really enough to make or represent guard.

otoh, sure you could make an extremely customizable kit, with 2 legs / torsoes, etc. but A that would probably be the most expensive infantry box ever and B, it would be for an army that does need a decent degree of quantity.

If i could i'd probably go for 3 kits.

1 is modern aka an updated Cadian sprue or totally diffrent

1 is greatcoat ( not much to say, between the Godwin one and or krieger in plastic theres a whole slew of options, heck even armageddon would be on the plate imo.)

1 is PDF which is basically autoguns and impro / old equipment.


I could see this happening, and get behind.

3 kits representing multiple regiments could work. One with great coats as you say, but with alternate options for the heads to represent Valhallan and Krieg maybe.

One that could have alternate parts for cadia inspired by Aliens/ starship troopers mobile infantry as an updated range and alternate parts to make them more Tacticool.

And a third to represent PDF/conscripts maybe.

And then upgrade sprues for additional add ons for flavour like the space marine chapters get. Not sure if that leaves room for an updated Catachan range though.
   
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 Knockagh wrote:
Give me death korps in plastic please please. I can’t handle anymore rotten resin. Hate the stuff


Honestly, resin isn't the problem, it's that FW / GW resin is just subpar quality.

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Not Online!!! wrote:
Gitdakka wrote:
@not online!!! That pdf box could be used for chaos cultists aswell wich is also needed.


add in a sprue like for GSC with heads and icons and knives / pistols trophies and bam done.
Actually i didn't even think about that and thought more along the line of conscripts.

Which on another note, why can't conscripts get HWT's again one would imagine that to counterbalance their abismal offensive capabilites and their use as stopgap , they'd get all the stubbers left over?



This is a very good point. They should release a kit that works for multiple factions, I’m sure it would sell well enough to justify its cost:

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GSC
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I saw Kopinski brought up earlier, back when I was younger I got my hand on some Rackham AT-43 books which also contained a lot of Kopinski art. The guy below was cut from one of the artworks he made and they would make perfect guardsmen with some tweaks. (incidentally, this exact figure was never released as a model for the game). Also I want autoguns for guardsmen, Chaos cultists, Genestealers and even the Necromunda kits place a higher emphasize on Autoweapons, the caseless guns mentioned in some of the older works would be an interesting concept to explore.

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Aash wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gitdakka wrote:
@not online!!! That pdf box could be used for chaos cultists aswell wich is also needed.


add in a sprue like for GSC with heads and icons and knives / pistols trophies and bam done.
Actually i didn't even think about that and thought more along the line of conscripts.

Which on another note, why can't conscripts get HWT's again one would imagine that to counterbalance their abismal offensive capabilites and their use as stopgap , they'd get all the stubbers left over?



This is a very good point. They should release a kit that works for multiple factions, I’m sure it would sell well enough to justify its cost:

PDF
Renegade Guard
Chaos cultists
GSC
Tau gue’vesa
Conscripts.


The GSC made me think maybe we're getting "Tacticool" IG, their bikes and FAV's had me thinking Desert Storm special forces, but alas.

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I'd be exceptionally wary about wishing for a new Guard kit.

This is 100% a "be careful what you wish for" situation, given GW's current design philosophy towards miniatures.

   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd be exceptionally wary about wishing for a new Guard kit.

This is 100% a "be careful what you wish for" situation, given GW's current design philosophy towards miniatures.


Other than the price per model going up (which is inevitable with a new kit) I’m not sure what you mean?

I like the majority of the new models released since 8th Ed started.
   
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Caradman Sturnn wrote:
I saw Kopinski brought up earlier, back when I was younger I got my hand on some Rackham AT-43 books which also contained a lot of Kopinski art. The guy below was cut from one of the artworks he made and they would make perfect guardsmen with some tweaks. (incidentally, this exact figure was never released as a model for the game). Also I want autoguns for guardsmen, Chaos cultists, Genestealers and even the Necromunda kits place a higher emphasize on Autoweapons, the caseless guns mentioned in some of the older works would be an interesting concept to explore.

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That’s a lovely piece of art. If GW realeaseda kit like that I think it’d be very good.
   
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 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
First and foremost they would need to get the scale right.


Gotta agree here. The guardsmen were always the problem in scale. FW get it right yet GW proper didn't.

GW releases Primaris, as Cadians are as big as normal SM models to compensate.
GW then releases BSF traitor guard that are bigger than the Cadians.

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 Grimtuff wrote:

Gotta agree here. The guardsmen were always the problem in scale. FW get it right yet GW proper didn't.


The plastic stuff only. The metal mini's are pretty on spot with the scale.

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Kayback wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

Gotta agree here. The guardsmen were always the problem in scale. FW get it right yet GW proper didn't.


The plastic stuff only. The metal mini's are pretty on spot with the scale.


Yes, should have specified. It's them plastic Cadians that have been eating their Weetabix.



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really tough choice for GW IMHO. Some of the appeal of the Regiments are the distinct differences and references that are attached to them. My current set is Cadian bodies with gasmask Pith helmets from 3rd party, love the look.

However, if it was going to be about redoing a line completely.....

I think going tacticool would be smart marketing wise, but then aren't we stepping on Militarum Tempestus too much (I do love elysian drop trooper looks)?

realistically, the entire line and fluff is heavily invested in Cadia...so they'd probably just redo that line completely. Next up would be catachans (based on recent miniatures).
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 Grimtuff wrote:
Kayback wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

Gotta agree here. The guardsmen were always the problem in scale. FW get it right yet GW proper didn't.


The plastic stuff only. The metal mini's are pretty on spot with the scale.


Yes, should have specified. It's them plastic Cadians that have been eating their Weetabix.


Lol I say that I just lined up my Praetorians, Metal Cadians, Plastic Cadians and an older Marine to check the scale. My Metal Vostroyan is a GIANT!

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 bullyboy wrote:
I think going tacticool would be smart marketing wise, but then aren't we stepping on Militarum Tempestus too much (I do love elysian drop trooper looks)?

The Tempestus moved to gothic, the real tacticool competition would be the Primaris.

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Kayback wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:
Kayback wrote:
 Grimtuff wrote:

Gotta agree here. The guardsmen were always the problem in scale. FW get it right yet GW proper didn't.


The plastic stuff only. The metal mini's are pretty on spot with the scale.


Yes, should have specified. It's them plastic Cadians that have been eating their Weetabix.


Lol I say that I just lined up my Praetorians, Metal Cadians, Plastic Cadians and an older Marine to check the scale. My Metal Vostroyan is a GIANT!

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On the vehicle side: one thing I would find really cool would be to make them even more modular. Just to get the general idea: imagine 3 chassis with a distinctive look (T6/W10, T7/W11, T8/W12) combined with the turret options that more or less fit each.

I personally would like the possibility to build a heavy Basilisk (T8 hull, Basilisk "turret") or a light tank (T6 hull, Leman Russ turret) etc. And I would like the T6 chassis to look different from the T7 as I currently don't really see why the Salamander is T7 but the Basilisk is T6. But that is personal preference.

But take that just as a wild idea thrown into the ring for discussion

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 AtoMaki wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I think going tacticool would be smart marketing wise, but then aren't we stepping on Militarum Tempestus too much (I do love elysian drop trooper looks)?

The Tempestus moved to gothic, the real tacticool competition would be the Primaris.

People keep saying this...Primaris are no more "tacticool" than the previous Tactical/Devastator Marines or FW's non-Legion specific armor marks. Look at the Eliminators for example: they have pouches on their belts with a sigil of the Emperor's face. The idea is that they touch their rounds to it before firing(per Goodwin).

Biggest thing to remember is that we're not seeing the 'relic' armors that we have in the past. This stuff is mass produced. It's fresh armor, like the days of the Great Crusade. There's no spirits associated with it yet.

Pyroalchi wrote:
On the vehicle side: one thing I would find really cool would be to make them even more modular. Just to get the general idea: imagine 3 chassis with a distinctive look (T6/W10, T7/W11, T8/W12) combined with the turret options that more or less fit each.

I personally would like the possibility to build a heavy Basilisk (T8 hull, Basilisk "turret") or a light tank (T6 hull, Leman Russ turret) etc. And I would like the T6 chassis to look different from the T7 as I currently don't really see why the Salamander is T7 but the Basilisk is T6. But that is personal preference.

But take that just as a wild idea thrown into the ring for discussion

Or we could take a 'less is more' approach and actually use the stuff we already have? We don't need Leman Russ chassis running around with Earthshaker Cannons.

As for why the Salamander is T7 while the Basilisk(and Wyvern and Hydra) is T6? It's crew exposure. The Basilisk(Wyvern and Hydra) all have a moderately more exposed crew compartment compared to the Salamander variants. It looks the same, but a big element is that the Basilisk(Wyvern and Hydra) have an elevated platform that the crew are on while the Salamander has them hunkered down in the hull.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 AtoMaki wrote:
 bullyboy wrote:
I think going tacticool would be smart marketing wise, but then aren't we stepping on Militarum Tempestus too much (I do love elysian drop trooper looks)?

The Tempestus moved to gothic, the real tacticool competition would be the Primaris.

People keep saying this...Primaris are no more "tacticool" than the previous Tactical/Devastator Marines or FW's non-Legion specific armor marks.

You mean beyond the picatinny rails, teacupping pistols, unironical skull masks, and pretty much the entire Vanguard line in general?

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Right behind you.

If you want to play the edit game, just remember that I posted a bit about a Vanguard unit that goes against your argument about 'tacticool'. Just because they are not drowning in purity seals, candles, and have script in their armor doesn't mean the intention was "tAcTiCoOl" alone.

Go and look at some of the art early on for Cadians. There's a piece from the Eye of Terror book that I think was Kopinski showing a Cadian with purity seals and devotionary text strapped to his gear, along with finger bones lashed to his pauldron. The 'grimdark' for 40k comes from stuff that can be added. Without that element? 40k's been just generic syfy fare.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
If you want to play the edit game, just remember that I posted a bit about a Vanguard unit that goes against your argument about 'tacticool'.

Uhm... it doesn't? Skulls (especially skull masks), superstitious crap, and spooky details are actually tacticool. Grimdark and tacticool are not mutually exclusive, I don't know what you want to prove here.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
Biggest thing to remember is that we're not seeing the 'relic' armors that we have in the past. This stuff is mass produced. It's fresh armor, like the days of the Great Crusade. There's no spirits associated with it yet.


Well, yeah- that's a big part of the 'tacticool' perception. Their equipment has gone from relics of a forgotten time, imbued with reverence and history, to mass-produced wonders of high technology.

It's like going from Pashtun tribesmen handing down their battered old rifles through the generations, each adding their own touches and battle scars such that no two weapons are unique, to Navy SEALs using cutting-edge high-tech weapons fresh off the production line and identical to all the others. It's a pretty significant tonal shift.
   
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Pyroalchi wrote:
On the vehicle side: one thing I would find really cool would be to make them even more modular. Just to get the general idea: imagine 3 chassis with a distinctive look (T6/W10, T7/W11, T8/W12) combined with the turret options that more or less fit each.

I personally would like the possibility to build a heavy Basilisk (T8 hull, Basilisk "turret") or a light tank (T6 hull, Leman Russ turret) etc. And I would like the T6 chassis to look different from the T7 as I currently don't really see why the Salamander is T7 but the Basilisk is T6. But that is personal preference.

But take that just as a wild idea thrown into the ring for discussion


Because the basilisk is unprotected.


I think a gun-armed light tank and a tank destroyer would be cool additions to the line. A gun-armed light tank would be basically like maybe a Hellhound with the Taurox Battle Cannon. A heavy TD would be the return of the Destroyer, and a light TD [more along the lines of what I'm thinking] might be a big heavy direct-fire laser cannon or something on a basilisk chassis, looking like a JPZ1.

Also, maybe a light mortar carrier would be cool.

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