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 Irbis wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense.

Not really. SM, CSM, and Sisters have their troops separate from 'devastator' boxes for a reason despite them wearing the same armour (though that technically is no longer the case with all three having slightly heavier variants). You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste. I'd guess Eradicators have heavy flamer or gatling option while HI are simpler, less armoured guys with multiple types of rifles making for cheaper infantry box.


Funny you mention sisters and claim you don't mix troop and elite since that's literally what sisters did. And fast attack too.

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Ain't Grey Knights all like one box to make Troops, elites, FA and HS?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms
   
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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ain't Grey Knights all like one box to make Troops, elites, FA and HS?


Pretty much yes. Apart from characters you get all squads of respective armour type(PA or terminator) in respective boxes

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 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms

Oh they are in English too, more or less, but that may be the joke.

Anyway, paint them black with silver dots and call them exterminators.

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms

Oh they are in English too, more or less, but that may be the joke.

Anyway, paint them black with silver dots and call them exterminators.


Given their unit's special rule is called "Total Obliteration", they should probably be Obli ... never mind.
   
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So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


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SamusDrake wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


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That's... not much.

I can hardly envision a craftworlds army without aspects, but if only dark reapers are worth taking, it seems... really pointless.

I guess I can always play Primaris with Eldar minis
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.
   
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 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?

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 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?


it was a strat back in the 8.0 dex, since removed because no one took it

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?

Oh, sorry, don’t have the latest marine codex but I’m pretty sure they used to have the option of combining three shots to make a more Killy one. Maybe as a stratagem?

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 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.

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Nearly half the cost with less than half the durability and half the firepower.

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tneva82 wrote:
Nearly half the cost with less than half the durability and half the firepower.


Faster, smaller, better transports and needs less support to maximise though. It's the range that sets them apart more than anything. Weirdly if they'd made a 9 wound t5 vehicle with 3 multimeltas that fire twice if all at 1 target, people would probably be telling you it's too fragile.
   
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I like the new Starter sets and I understand that they were kept secret until now to maximize on Indomitus sales.

The contents are quite clever actually. Start with Recruit and expand with Elite or Command and you get no duplicate characters. Elite and Command include identical set of models which means that Elite is an option for those that do not care about board and terrain. Personally I do and if the price difference between Elite and Command is small enough to make the terrain a good deal then Command is what I am going with. The board looks like 22x30 to me so it will find use in Kill Team.

PS: Is it too much to ask to keep this thread clear of discussion that is not relevant to new Starter Sets?

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Understandable as the diversion may have been i think this eldar tangent is best discussed elsewhere & when.

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When a Fire Dragon dies, you only lose 1 melta shot, not two, so they are obviously better than Eradicators. Exactly like how Grots should cost more because they give up less when they do an Action.

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Indeed.
Understandable as the diversion may have been i think this eldar tangent is best discussed elsewhere & when.

Sorry I had the window open from before your post

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.

Spoiler:
Only cost I have right now are PL. From what I can see, 5 Fire Dragons are 6 PL, 3 Erradicators are 5 PL.
The 5 FDs have 6 T3/3+ Save Wounds while the 3 Erradicators have 9 T5/3+ save Wounds.
The FDs have 5 12'' fusion guns, the exarch can repeat 1s to hit and all can reroll 1s to wound monsters or vehicles. The Erradicators have 3 24'' fusion guns that they can shoot twice if they all shoot against the same unit (...which being three, they will always do), so they actually shoot 6 shots, one more than the FDs.

As to advance and fire... is a need when you have 12'' range guns. Much, muuuch less so when you have 24'' range ones.

Honestly, I call them way better just for the 24'' but the added resilience makes them a lot tougher too.


EDIT: Whoops, saw the red text. Spoilered.

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...

 
   
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Trust me, Necron players are VERY annoyed with how they've been handled for a while.

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BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...


Well they have even been officially retconned from having the best FTL in the galaxy to the worst so yea

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...

They haven't been hoarding enough tech.
   
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 Albertorius wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Dark Reapers. Never leave home without them!

That's... not much.

I can hardly envision a craftworlds army without aspects, but if only dark reapers are worth taking, it seems... really pointless.

I guess I can always play Primaris with Eldar minis


Cor'blimey! You're a hard one to please incha!

Well, Striking scorpions are quite the rough customers at close quarters and Dire Avengers are pretty good all rounders too, y'know.


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JWBS wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...

They haven't been hoarding enough tech.


You'd think they'd have a suitable doohickey or maguffin somewhere in their horde of hoards.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Trust me, Necron players are VERY annoyed with how they've been handled for a while.


Very few people do.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...


In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then

Now they have plastic and a lot more sculpts and options. Besides lore wise you can easily say that the more they hafecawoken means thr more battles against them and thus the better thier foes know how to kill them, hence the need for more warriors to awaken

   
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 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then


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