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The main thing that always bugs me when gaming is chit chat - nothing worse than your opponent having a full blown conversation with somebody who isn't even part of the game, making their turn last an inordinate amount of time.
Just good gaming etiquette really. Same goes for not touching my miniatures without asking me. Played several people who think it's ok to knock over my minis if they have killed them - Seriously, wtf?
Only other thing I would add is that I'm not a huge fan of the imaginative element... I see 40k as a tactical dice game. The need to describe a vehicle being destroyed as though you were reading it from a novel is completely beyond me... remove it from the table and move on
Chit-chat is fine, and responding to comments (as long as it's not during any important) as well, but when it comes to a full conversation on the side, that's when I start getting irritated.
Yes yes and totally yes! It's freaking plastic and/or pewter models on a table. That's it. I move, shoot, do magic and punch with plastic models. They are NOT people. They do not have friends, families and they do not burn up in an exploded Rhino. Nor do they succumb to their wounds or cough up blood or feel anything. It's freaking plastic things in a game.
JNAProductions wrote: I didn’t ask whether or not 40k qualifies as a tactical game. (Dice is pretty indisputable.)
Why is it weird to WANT a tactical game with models and dice?
Not weird to want one.
What is weird is to want one here.
Why all the realism, painted models, scenery, then factions with different play styles, backstories, etc.
Tactical dice games can use chits on flat maps...
For me, I love painting minis.
The factions are different teams with different rules for different people's prefered playstyles.
I don't give a crap about backstories and fluff. If fluff and backstories were so important to me, I would prefer to play my armies as they should be according to the fluff. Say hello to Custodes: 0+/1++/2+++, 10 attacks each, same ppm like they have currently.
"Tactical dice games can use chits on flat maps..." Yes. I agree. However, actual models make the game more fun because they look way better and have a better feel to them.
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Back in 6th and 7th when I played regularly with a group of my friends, right before the first player would start their first turn, we would shake hands and say “good luck. We’ll be friends again after the game ends.” My group was pretty cutthroat with each other.
Crazy Jay wrote: Back in 6th and 7th when I played regularly with a group of my friends, right before the first player would start their first turn, we would shake hands and say “good luck. We’ll be friends again after the game ends.” My group was pretty cutthroat with each other.
That sounds like when we play MTG. XD All the arguments and almost threats of physical violence during games. But as soon as we're done, it's all water under the bridge.
I suppose its just setting up the table and having some background noise such as atmospheric music, a film or tv show.
Rather than get nasty with each other when taking our sweet time finishing a move, we have a bit of fun by quoting a film or something comical...
Something that does help is to include the time as a factor of the game, and there is a knack to doing that without being annoying. Maybe watch some game shows for hints where a host has to keep things rolling, without upsetting the contestants. So if a game is going to run for five turns, take a pause after the second turn and look up at the wall clock and say "Right. So, we're now an hour into the game, with one hour left. Lets see if we can make it to the fifth turn".
Am I the only one who makes explosion sounds when things blow up and dakka dakka dakka/ ffzzaapp noises for the occasional shooting attack? And the odd Wilhehm Scream when one of my dudes bites it?
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
TangoTwoBravo wrote: Am I the only one who makes explosion sounds when things blow up and dakka dakka dakka/ ffzzaapp noises for the occasional shooting attack? And the odd Wilhehm Scream when one of my dudes bites it?
TangoTwoBravo wrote: Am I the only one who makes explosion sounds when things blow up and dakka dakka dakka/ ffzzaapp noises for the occasional shooting attack? And the odd Wilhehm Scream when one of my dudes bites it?
Oh god, I really sincerely hope so!
I suppose there is no right or wrong way to play with toy soldiers as long as you don't lose sight of the fact that you are playing with toy soldiers.
If you and I were playing I would pick up on your super-seriousness and keep my fun to myself if its stopping your fun.
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
TangoTwoBravo wrote: Am I the only one who makes explosion sounds when things blow up and dakka dakka dakka/ ffzzaapp noises for the occasional shooting attack? And the odd Wilhehm Scream when one of my dudes bites it?
Oh god, I really sincerely hope so!
I suppose there is no right or wrong way to play with toy soldiers as long as you don't lose sight of the fact that you are playing with toy soldiers.
If you and I were playing I would pick up on your super-seriousness and keep my fun to myself if its stopping your fun.
Haha! I totally agree. And that's why I have a hard time roleplaying, so to speak.
You are a gentleman! <3 No, I AM light-hearted when I play, just not childish (in MY eyes). ^^
In all seriousness, its important that our enjoyment of own little rituals does not detract from the fun of our opponent across the table. Some people like to banter, others don't enjoy it. Something as simple as a pre-game handshake might be a legitimate cause of anxiety for others (even without COVID going on). When I'm playing 40K on my table at home with close friends and my son then we all know each other and behave accordingly. Playing against someone for the first time at the FLGS? Some level of restraint is probably the initial order of the day until we get a sense for each other.
I guess the rituals/habits that I follow regardless are: don't touch each others models unless asked; clearly declare what the dice roll is for before you roll; roll where your opponent can clearly see it; remove failed rolls and leave successes; I never say "My warlord will pass the save on anything but a 1." Because that will cause me to roll a 1. My troops fire rockets and not missiles. To avoid annoying Lady Luck its OK to cheer for your own saves but its not OK to cheer for your opponent's failed saves. Wish my opponent luck before the start and say "good game" at a minimum when the dust settles.
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
TangoTwoBravo wrote: In all seriousness, its important that our enjoyment of own little rituals does not detract from the fun of our opponent across the table. Some people like to banter, others don't enjoy it. Something as simple as a pre-game handshake might be a legitimate cause of anxiety for others (even without COVID going on). When I'm playing 40K on my table at home with close friends and my son then we all know each other and behave accordingly. Playing against someone for the first time at the FLGS? Some level of restraint is probably the initial order of the day until we get a sense for each other.
I guess the rituals/habits that I follow regardless are: don't touch each others models unless asked; clearly declare what the dice roll is for before you roll; roll where your opponent can clearly see it; remove failed rolls and leave successes; I never say "My warlord will pass the save on anything but a 1." Because that will cause me to roll a 1. My troops fire rockets and not missiles. To avoid annoying Lady Luck its OK to cheer for your own saves but its not OK to cheer for your opponent's failed saves. Wish my opponent luck before the start and say "good game" at a minimum when the dust settles.
Bolded the most important bit.
It's a game, and games are meant to be fun. Win or lose, have a good time, and your opponent should too.
Clocks for the clockmaker! Cogs for the cog throne!
Castozor wrote: So your ploy is to bring 2 boxes of wildly different kinds of armies despite the fact that (I assume) most people will have their list ready before the game starts? I'm not sure what advantage this brings you over some extra exercise for carrying twice the amount of boxes you actually need.
Some people bring multiple lists and grab the one out that they think will benefit them the most. Know you're facing Dwarfs? No reason to go Magic Defense. See Nids? Probably need more mass shooty than high strength.
My brother had his models out ready for deployment at our last game, and had an Organ Gun and Cannon out with the models. I deployed factoring in where War Machines would set up, but they were out because they were in the top layer of the box and had to be moved to get the rest out. Was that on him? More than likely me as I should have just been reactionary to what was going on the board.
AngryAngel80 wrote: As a side note, I actually had one player tell me that list tailoring was part of the game. He really believed it as well.
Ah okay that makes more sense then, guess not everyone just makes one list like me and hopes for the best regardless of opponent. As for tailoring, my friends do it all the time here. It´s annoying but they do indeed consider it part of the game so whatyagonnado. Doesn't help some people really only have one list to bring out.
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AngryAngel80 wrote: As a side note, I actually had one player tell me that list tailoring was part of the game. He really believed it as well.
I usually run Speed Freeks orks, but one day I decided to run my Ghazz/Boyz list and had a player get mad at me because the list he brought was tailored to defeat my Speedy list.
Roll a handful of dice from each of my sets to see if one is rolling better that day. Say screw it because they all roll like crap.
Refer to the Psychic Phase as the Psychotic Phase.
Completely get ahead of myself and forget all about my carefully laid plans and abilities. I have completely forgotten to use 'Forward Operatives' and the Alpha Legion trait many times before.
During the shooting phase I go unit by unit saying shot. At the end of the shooting phase I say EVERYBODY! Shot! Shot! Shot! I don't get obnoxious with it unless it's my best friend and I.
AngryAngel80 wrote: As a side note, I actually had one player tell me that list tailoring was part of the game. He really believed it as well.
I usually run Speed Freeks orks, but one day I decided to run my Ghazz/Boyz list and had a player get mad at me because the list he brought was tailored to defeat my Speedy list.
Hah! I usually make a point of telling a prospective opponent that I will bring an Ork army. Happy to let them delude themselves
they will face a green tide, then turn up vehicle heavy. Cunningly brutal, Orks!
JNAProductions wrote: Talk to my opponent. I don't play in tournaments, so it's purely for fun, and fun is best had with friends-so anyone who I game with, I consider a friend till proven otherwise.
From this whole thread this is the best response.
Playing with and against fully painted armies is amazing, but at the end of the day its a game and it's supposed to be fun. If someone hasn't managed to paint their entire army, not a problem, I struggle to get my painting done. Painting has been the one blessing of 2020 hobby wise.
Approx armies
9000pts AdMech (Main army)
7000pts Black Templars (original army)
3500pts Death Guard (lazy side project)
2000pts Imperial Knights (extension of AdMech)
2000pts Harlequins (fun side project)
Karol wrote:
I don't shake hands, before or after the game, because my natural reaction is to pull and ram them with my shoulder for a throw. Learned it the hard way to not shake hands in public.
The dystopian hell you apparently live in sounds awful.
Nah, it has nothing to do with hell or the place I live in. It is just trained in thing. I often lock on to stuff I do, and it is hard to stop doing them.
Maybe its time to train yourself to shake hands and shake hands more often so that you train yourself out of trying to randomly attack people.
Also if that's your mental state perhaps its not a good idea to be competing and training in fighting sports....
Slayer6 wrote:Had one guy smash a Taurox of mine by stomping on it when he saw the switcheroo, but luckily for me I was able to grind his Swarmlord into Finecast chunks.
Smashing each other's models is childish and not something to be proud of. Sure you were wronged when your model was smashed, but its not right to then turn around and smash another person's models.
Honestly at most clubs/groups I've been in it likely would have seen both of you expelled from the group for starting that kind of behaviour.
AngryAngel80 wrote:As a side note, I actually had one player tell me that list tailoring was part of the game. He really believed it as well.
It is within the social contracts of the place(s) you play at. In general you should expect that if you play the same group or people or same people; they will adapt their lists to your lists and you vis-versa. If you find something isn't working you're more likely to swap it out for things that do work and they are more likely to do that as well.
However I'd say that its my personal view that "list tailoring" happens before the game and that the game itself starts when you both arrive and meet up to start the game. Ergo it begins before you're pulling models out of your bags. So any tailoring would be basically only knowing your opponents army faction and likely nothing else unless you play them regularly to know what they might be bringing. Unless agreed before the game, you shouldn't be list tailoring after seeing your opponents full army that they are using for the game.
Of course these things are all very social and variable and trying to write out a general rules or guideline is near impossible in a forum. So in general just try to not be a richard about it. eg Slayer above is clearly trying to trick his opponents with his two army box method.
Thing is in most groups if you pull tricks like that all the time outside of the social agreements for the group; then you're more likely to find yourself only ever playing new players (which only works at a club getting a lot of new gamers) or fast ending up with few people to play. In general being moderately socially adept and polite is behaviour expected anywhere in order to progress and advance and engage within any social group.
As for me I dunno if I've any real rituals, though its been long enough since I was last able to regularly play that I've likely forgotten any habits that I've got outside of basic manners etc.... I don't consider shaking hands or being polite to be a "ritual" its just behaving yourself.
Though yes I'm bound to add some sound effects now and then or add a tiny dramatic story or quip about an abnormal or major event - eg a warrior killing something way beyond normal or surviving way more attacks than normal etc.... Heck in the long distant past I had a stealer that got a small conversion for manging to survive against all odds against some Sisters of Battle. There was nothing special about the model save that it survived longer than it statistically should have, it was a real "last man won't die" situation.
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Slayer6 wrote: I always bring 2 boxes: One with a bunch of big vehicles in it, and the other with an absolute horde of Militarum Tempestus - the vehicles, I make sure are extremely visible and in a clear plastic model storage box, then when deployment happens, the vehicle box goes on the floor and is unused, whilst the countless squads of infantry come out. Needless to say, I am extremely unpopular when fielding my Guard! Had one guy smash a Taurox of mine by stomping on it when he saw the switcheroo, but luckily for me I was able to grind his Swarmlord into Finecast chunks.
Another ritual is to make sure each and every squad has a sufficient number of orders cards ready to sit near them - this way I can keep track of the orders for multiple units - this can add up to having some piles of up to 20 FRFSRF, MMM, EPS, depending on the army composition. Just plop a card down next to each unit as orders are given, then come back to them later.
Just like here, I am not a very nice guy!
Really? C’mon man....I hope you are just telling tall tales to get attention on the internet
All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
Slayer6 wrote: I always bring 2 boxes: One with a bunch of big vehicles in it, and the other with an absolute horde of Militarum Tempestus - the vehicles, I make sure are extremely visible and in a clear plastic model storage box, then when deployment happens, the vehicle box goes on the floor and is unused, whilst the countless squads of infantry come out.
Really? C’mon man....I hope you are just telling tall tales to get attention on the internet
Think here he is not playing the box that best fits vs his opponents army, but brings it to allow them to tailor their list vs vehicle heavy, when his list is infantry heavy.
I think your quote boxes got all mangled. I don’t care about his list-deception. My disbelief is regarding the physical smashing of each other’s models that he proudly recounts.
I’ve been a member of several gaming communities, and that “ritual” would certainly see someone barred.
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All you have to do is fire three rounds a minute, and stand
before an important roll, our group normaly makes a "power move". Everybody has his own things... a little dance, the classical song part (kiss from a rose was extremely hyped, or even the beginning of uptown funk) - most of the times, these moves do nothing to improve the result of the roll, but it's definitely fun...
I tend to announce ork stratagems in an orky voice.
In our group, when anyone tries to manifest the tzeench power "Gaze of Fate" or use its re-roll, someone would cry out "The gaze of fate" in the same tone as the refrain from Motörhead's "Ace of Spade", to which everyone then responds "The Gaze of Fate, the gaze of fate!" in the same tone. Originally meant to annoy a specific tzeench player, it now has become the official name for our club.
When there is a model I have never faced before, and it's bigger than my warboss, I will charge it with him no matter what, even if it will cost me the game.
I will always try to have my DP cast "Curse of the Leper" on an enemy farseer or autarch to prove that eldar can, in fact, get sick. I even pay CP to switch powers if I didn't bring it. So far, it has not succeeded even once due to me failing the cast, it getting denied or me doing 0 wounds with it every single time
When shooting MBH or helbrutes, I always use yellow dice for multi-melta and blue dice for missile launchers. Orange dice are best for nobs with PKs.
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7 Ork facts people always get wrong: Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other. A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot. Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests. Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why. Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor. Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers. Orks do not have the power of believe.
There's that one joke that when i bring out a horde of infantry from my R&H army that someone starts playing red september during my first turn... it doesn't help that red is pretty prevalent in my army sheme and that there are a a bunch of flag bearers with the corresponding flag colours... Especially if i bring my converted worker / cultist blob ...
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GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units." Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?" Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?" GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!" Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.
Show up prepared to play.
Army ready
List ready
Dice available
Tape measure
On time
Also try to have some stuff available to streamline the game since it is already a long game. 2k points needs to be sub 3hr.
"Glory in our suffering, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint"
-Paul of Tarsus
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Tons!
Tons!
Tons!
2,000pts
AdMech (Main army)
Black Templars (original army)
Imperial Knights (extension of AdMech)
Harlequins (fun side project)
