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 Charistoph wrote:

Apparently DE were only allocated one model for their codex despite "needing" a few other kits to be done.

Apparently GW determines "need" differently than the collective "wisdom" of voices on the internet.

 BlackoCatto wrote:
Guard will get a new model.... but it will be store exclusive and never get in the hands of most Guard players.

I don't know, would they do that to guard players ? Sounds like ork mischief to me !

Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:
I didn't say it WAS Chosen's thing, in fact I literally said it wasn't a defining feature (i.e. "their thing"), so I don't even understand why you're taking this tack.

All that I am saying that it was available. Since it was available, they could do it. Therefore it's not like they never could do it, they just aren't defined by it like the Berzerkers, Possessed, etc., who have had it as a defining feature since their creation. It is in between the void of "never" and the absolute standard of "always".

The original post that I responded to with the response that you quoted was making the argument that the majority of veteran CSM were "infused with chaos power", and you seemed to be continuing that argument by pointing out that you could mark Chosen. Sorry if you were just doing a "Well, actually", but that's not how I understood it. My entire point was that Chosen were defined as "CSM veterans", and not "infused with chaos power", so that's why I assumed you were arguing against that by pointing out that Chosen could take marks. Apologies if you were not. But then, why quote me in the first place if you weren't?

I was offering a middle ground, as could be seen by what I stated. Things are not always so set in the extreme, as is the case here. "Never" comes across as very absolutist and it causes me to consider what is being said, because "never" doesn't happen as often as is thought.

ccs wrote:

 Charistoph wrote:

Apparently DE were only allocated one model for their codex despite "needing" a few other kits to be done.

Apparently GW determines "need" differently than the collective "wisdom" of voices on the internet.

That's so very true. Just looking at how they write rules can provide that. And often, it's a combination of a closed group of people bringing up the ideas or the artists themselves wanting to commit to a project.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Literally one of the models listed was resin, and that was Commissar Severina Raine, who by the by, is still available for you to order whenever she comes back into stock.

If you missed out on Sergeant Ripper? That's on you. They did a Made to Order wave consisting of just her. I've got three local shops within 30 minutes of me that still have the model on the shelf too from overordering or people never coming in to pick up their orders.

The Catachan Colonel was intended to be a store anniversary model for GW shops. Obviously, COVID made it so that didn't happen. They instead gave the stock they had on hand(as these kinds of models are available day of with the stock on hand being limited, but taking orders for more if necessary) to independents to do with as they pleased. Some indies were shady about it, some did it the best they could, and some never got them...but the important bit was that it was tied to Trade Accounts via GW, not just shops with GW product.

Ripper Jackson, however, was intended to be a store opening/rebranding model for GW stores. Those things have usually been a hell of a lot harder to find.

That's why they put her up for a week long Made to Order.

There is not single GW store that isnt more than almost a 2 hour drive for me. The Colonel was seen at a local store but was already sold off.

Only one Severina Raine here at all on the market local. Her being the only model out of these that have rules besides Sly Marbo, but I've never seen him local at all.

Didn't Chaos just get a new model? He's AOS but he's got 40k Stats, it's that Black Legion Deamon Prince that hits like a Titan, has fly, and basically can't die? There is your new Model. I think a better question is how do they release new models for factions that literally have no new lore. IE GK or Custodes? I suppose a new Sister hero or a new Sister vehicle (Praying for sister bikers) but that would require some sort of lore, before they just "popped" into existence.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I think a better question is how do they release new models for factions that literally have no new lore. IE GK or Custodes? I suppose a new Sister hero or a new Sister vehicle (Praying for sister bikers) but that would require some sort of lore, before they just "popped" into existence.

New models/units don't require pre-existing lore.

They make a new unit, they make up some more lore, & they release it.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Didn't Chaos just get a new model? He's AOS but he's got 40k Stats, it's that Black Legion Deamon Prince that hits like a Titan, has fly, and basically can't die? There is your new Model.

Pretty much all of this is wrong, even assuming you are talking about Be'lakor, which is probably a couple months from release.
If you aren't talking about Be'lakor, then I don't even know.

I think a better question is how do they release new models for factions that literally have no new lore. IE GK or Custodes? I suppose a new Sister hero or a new Sister vehicle (Praying for sister bikers) but that would require some sort of lore, before they just "popped" into existence.

They just... do that. There's zero lore for any of the four new Sisters models seen so far. Its all new models, with all new 'lore.'
Same with Primaris. All the primaris.
Same with Cawl.
Same with all the GSC elite characters
Same with all the weird DG characters.
Same with all the new nurgle daemon characters with wacky names.

No pre-existing lore is ever required. But it helps if its compatible, or at least not contradictory.

Voss wrote:


They just... do that. There's zero lore for any of the four new Sisters models seen so far. Its all new models, with all new 'lore.'
Same with Primaris. All the primaris.
Same with Cawl.
Same with all the GSC elite characters
Same with all the weird DG characters.
Same with all the new nurgle daemon characters with wacky names.

Not quite true with the Primaris. Long before 8th there was lore about the Mentors/Mentor Legion being rumored to be fielding larger than normal SMs of increased strength & durability.
Well, what's a Primaris? A larger, stronger, more durable SM....

ccs wrote:

Voss wrote:


They just... do that. There's zero lore for any of the four new Sisters models seen so far. Its all new models, with all new 'lore.'
Same with Primaris. All the primaris.
Same with Cawl.
Same with all the GSC elite characters
Same with all the weird DG characters.
Same with all the new nurgle daemon characters with wacky names.

Not quite true with the Primaris. Long before 8th there was lore about the Mentors/Mentor Legion being rumored to be fielding larger than normal SMs of increased strength & durability.
Well, what's a Primaris? A larger, stronger, more durable SM....

Meh. GW planted a lot of throw-away easter eggs and plot seeds, most went nowhere. There were giant insects beyond the ogre kingdoms, fishmen, rending ponies, tigermen, Slann in 40k, Sigmar was a lost Primarch, etc, etc.

More bigger SM could have equally been Ogryn or Goliath space marines, or just recruiting from a planet with a larger than average height.

Voss wrote:

Pretty much all of this is wrong, even assuming you are talking about Be'lakor, which is probably a couple months from release.
If you aren't talking about Be'lakor, then I don't even know.

There is a good chance you're right about that release projection, but this month's coin is Be'Lakor; I'm hopeful for an April 24th preorder.

That's assuming no new lockdowns.

Voss wrote:


There's zero lore for any of the four new Sisters models seen so far. Its all new models, with all new 'lore.'

The Palatine is an established unit being returned to us- I think she appeared in the Witch Hunter dex, and while there's no datacard for her in 8th, she is the listed Mission level HQ in the Sisters Organizational Overview pages.

But yeah, every thing else came straight out of the blue.

Sidenote: Since the Castigator is based on a Deimos pattern Rhino, and Deimos shows up to defend the Oblis sub sector in the Book of Rust, I'm thinking that there's an opportunity for them to introduce the vehicle through the campaign- like when the Deimos show up, they bring an extra STC template with them to support the beleaguered Sisters fighting in the campaign. Pure speculation of course.

New dexes don't seem to have dedicated fluff pages for every unit anymore, so I wouldn't be surprised if the fluff for new units has to come to us via White Dwarf Index articles. Again, pure speculation.

Voss wrote:

ccs wrote:

Voss wrote:


They just... do that. There's zero lore for any of the four new Sisters models seen so far. Its all new models, with all new 'lore.'
Same with Primaris. All the primaris.
Same with Cawl.
Same with all the GSC elite characters
Same with all the weird DG characters.
Same with all the new nurgle daemon characters with wacky names.

Not quite true with the Primaris. Long before 8th there was lore about the Mentors/Mentor Legion being rumored to be fielding larger than normal SMs of increased strength & durability.
Well, what's a Primaris? A larger, stronger, more durable SM....

Meh. GW planted a lot of throw-away easter eggs and plot seeds, most went nowhere. There were giant insects beyond the ogre kingdoms, fishmen, rending ponies, tigermen, Slann in 40k, Sigmar was a lost Primarch, etc, etc.

More bigger SM could have equally been Ogryn or Goliath space marines, or just recruiting from a planet with a larger than average height.

Hey, Slann in 40k were more than just a throw-away. They have stats in RT. And they sold minis for them at the time (I have a squad buried in storage somewhere)

The primaris have at least 3 books I can think of that either directly mention or go into great detail about their lore and whatnot. Devestation of Baal I think was the first to "display" them, but I may be wrong? When did the second Custodes book come out. Even the first Custodes book directly mentions them. That is all lore building. Then there is The Great Work, and The book about Gman. The sisters have an Omnibus comprised of 5(?) books or 2 books and one is a collection of stories I think. All I'm saying is don't make out like there is zero lore for the Primaris project/marines.

ccs wrote:
Hey, Slann in 40k were more than just a throw-away. They have stats in RT. And they sold minis for them at the time (I have a squad buried in storage somewhere)

I think by "throw-away", they meant that GW introduced them and then didn't do anything else with them since. Since Slann are from RT days, that could be considered as "throw-away" as Squats.

Honestly, I think bringing a Lizardmen-based Army of the Old Ones lead by Slann back could be a fascinating opportunity for them.

 Charistoph wrote:

ccs wrote:
Hey, Slann in 40k were more than just a throw-away. They have stats in RT. And they sold minis for them at the time (I have a squad buried in storage somewhere)

I think by "throw-away", they meant that GW introduced them and then didn't do anything else with them since. Since Slann are from RT days, that could be considered as "throw-away" as Squats.

Honestly, I think bringing a Lizardmen-based Army of the Old Ones lead by Slann back could be a fascinating opportunity for them.

Oh I know what he meant. He just chose a poor example.

As for your example of squats? That's even further away from being a throw away.
Squats were a full (if small) army in RT & 2e days, could be allied into Guard & other Imperial forces, have conside
rable lore, were sold in stores well into 2e (and then through bitz orders) until eventually going Oop prior to 3e.
They were also a major force in Epic.

Squats - discontinued, yes. A throw away reference? Never.