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Regular Dakkanaut




In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.

   
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I would just be happy if they got their 2 wounds?
   
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Fixture of Dakka




That would be nice, and 3W on termintors.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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MoshJason wrote:
I would just be happy if they got their 2 wounds?


Well, that's obviously happening once the codex comes out. [Assuming old marine models aren't squatted, which I'll reiterate seems very low probability... this go around]

The marine wounds upgrade is a given once the GK, TS and Chaos marines get their relevant codex.


Grey40k wrote:
In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.


Why in the world would they want passion? What good would that do them? The trade is money for things, that isn't hidden or complex.

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Voss wrote:


Why in the world would they want passion? What good would that do them? The trade is money for things, that isn't hidden or complex.


Passion begets high quality products.
   
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 BertBert wrote:
Voss wrote:


Why in the world would they want passion? What good would that do them? The trade is money for things, that isn't hidden or complex.


Passion begets high quality products.

No, you're thinking of skilled artisans.

Passionate consumers begets internet rage.
Unless you're bedding someone (and have a healthy relationship), passion is frickin' dangerous.

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NE Ohio, USA

Grey40k wrote:
In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.



1) And how exactly do you think I'd punish such a company?

2) GW makes most of thier $ from me due to them selling me models I like - wich is not at all reliant upon their rules.
So why would I punish them? They continue to do what { I } want....
   
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 BertBert wrote:
Voss wrote:


Why in the world would they want passion? What good would that do them? The trade is money for things, that isn't hidden or complex.


Passion begets high quality products.


No, it doesnt.

If theres anything youd think people would realize by now, its that making the best highest quality whatever does not put you on top in a capitalist system. Every category of everything the most successful thing is just whatever tricks peoples hardwired brain chemistry into getting addicted to it.

The most successful music is songs dumbed down so you can predict the lyrics when you first hear it. The most successful food is junk food crammed with sugar salt and oil. The most successful video games are microtransaction farmville-alikes, and the most successful movies are zero budget pop scare horror flicks.

Obviously the most successful miniatures game just puts people in a cycle of manufactured discontent and fomo.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 BertBert wrote:
Voss wrote:


Why in the world would they want passion? What good would that do them? The trade is money for things, that isn't hidden or complex.


Passion begets high quality products.

There's a whole King Of The Hill episode that proves this wrong in a very practical and palatable manner.

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If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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Regular Dakkanaut




For clarity, I was replying to the comment that claims that they change the lore to sell more even if it is forced.

In an ideal world the company is invested in their game, and they design it with care, crafting it to a high standard. Obviously there needs to be skill involved, as passion does not guarantee quality. That is not the vibe I get from GW anymore.

I am with scotsman, many successful companies are the ones that simply exploit our shortcomings not the ones that create the best products (think processed foods as an obvious example). Or tobacco companies hyping their product with the whole marketing based imaginary they build around it (cowboy, tough guy smocking, or whatever other iconic image).

In current times companies put lots of effort towards tricking us, compared to skilled craftsmen who put their effort towards perfecting their trade.

GW had something truly original, IMO, in their grimdark world illustrated perfectly by John Blanche. They are living from the carcass of that, since IMO it is clear that the whole things been taken over by suits and marketing ploys.

I’d rather have a GW run by people who care about their product and take pride of its quality. Seeing how they butcher balance, obsolete minis and leave entire collections hanging (what the heck will happen to GK?), I don’t believe there is true care in GWs top brass at the moment.
   
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Grey40k wrote:
In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.



Whilst I certainly have done my fair share of complaining about stupid changes to lore, ultimately it is the models that matter. If making cool models requires changing the lore, then so be it. Especially if the changed lore is some utterly inconsequential minutiae like whether Grey Knight Space Marines have 19 or 22 made up extra organs.

   
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I just hope that GK strikes don't end up being, we took an intercessor with a autobolt gun slaped a power weapon on him, now go play with a 26pts intercessor in a world where the regular cheaper ones are considered not worth playing with.

If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
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 Crimson wrote:
Grey40k wrote:
In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.



Whilst I certainly have done my fair share of complaining about stupid changes to lore, ultimately it is the models that matter. If making cool models requires changing the lore, then so be it. Especially if the changed lore is some utterly inconsequential minutiae like whether Grey Knight Space Marines have 19 or 22 made up extra organs.


I can accept 19, but 22 is just too far

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 Crimson wrote:
Grey40k wrote:
In an ideal world, we discerning consumers would reward companies with passion for their products, and punish them when they break lore/consistency/balance to sell more toys.



Whilst I certainly have done my fair share of complaining about stupid changes to lore, ultimately it is the models that matter. If making cool models requires changing the lore, then so be it. Especially if the changed lore is some utterly inconsequential minutiae like whether Grey Knight Space Marines have 19 or 22 made up extra organs.


Similar thing for me. I really like the Vanguard Space Marines, for example, and the Repuslor Executioner. [I wish it wasn't so tall, though. Maybe being half as tall would give it a lot more of an "MBT" look]

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