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tneva82 wrote:
There's no reason to think we are only ones out there

from a scientific point of view

a) galactic zoo
for whatever reason, either we are exotic/primitive/reasons, aliens isolate us
hard to proof but a possibility

b) the big filter
because life took long to develop and it needs a million years from cells to form a skeletons and billions years from single cells to a from of life that can leave their solar system, there are filters during that process
could be anything that prevents a single important step during that process and it cells are not formed, skeletons not build, life only possible in oceans etc.

with us not seeing any life out there, the possibility that those filters are on our past is very likely and even with those billions of stars we are the exception

hence why some scientists see possible life on Venus as a bad thing
because if life is possible there, it would be a standard process for every solid planet out there and the reason why we have not seen anything yet would be that there is 1 big filter in our near future that prevents life from going further (and we are on the edge of extinction)


we have a limited view on the galaxy and the universe in general, but if there is a lot out there we would have seen something

I mean, it is entirely possible there is a great filter and some civilizations passed it. Why should they bother with civilizations that haven't yet or look like they're going to fail? (yes, I have my suspicions about our viability as a long-term species)

NinthMusketeer makes an interesting point about multi-cellular, intelligent life. If you think it took 3 billion years for life on Earth to progress beyond single-cell organisms. Once that happened, around a billion years ago, the massive diversity of life and evolution which we now see around us flourished. But AFAIK we still don't know what the contributing factor was or catalyst that allowed it to happen and therefore how likely that is to repeat elsewhere.

So while they have estimated there might be 60 billion planets in our galaxy that may have 'near earth' conditions capable of supporting life, we really don't know how many of those would only feature life that would be visible beneath a microscope.

I mean, it is entirely possible there is a great filter and some civilizations passed it. Why should they bother with civilizations that haven't yet or look like they're going to fail? (yes, I have my suspicions about our viability as a long-term species)

I think that's very true. We've already had a couple of very close calls regarding nuclear weapons where we have been in the hands of the fates and a roll of '1' and we would most likely not be sat here communicating now. The problem is if you keep taking that chance then eventually luck will run out, and it only needs to happen once.

So this one big argument against multi-planetary, advanced intelligent life is that 'great filter' (I forget who coined that phrase, Sam Harris ran a really interesting interview podcast with him once, German chap I believe) - it doesn't have to be nuclear weaponry, in twenty year's time some kind of DNA printer is released publically, suddenly making it possible to develop your own viruses or bacteria following your desired pattern. Then it only takes a handful of nutters in our population of 7 billion to decide that humanity shouldn't exist..
Or the galaxy could be littered by the blasted remains of intelligent civilisations that all discovered that Fusion bombs were straightforward when you knew how to do it..

I would like to think that intelligent life could have developed traits that made it more or less likely to pass that filter. For example, if societal/tribal bonds were far stronger, or perhaps activity was more tightly controlled, you could easily control access to the materials that you knew could ultimately be used to destroy your species.

Doesn't even have to be nuclear weapons. Making earth inhospitable to advanced civilization isn't that hard, we're doing it now while also enacting another extinction event all around us. Insects are disappearing at a rate of about 2,5% every year. We are killing off species at a rate faster than the K-P extinction (or so I read once) and we're just ignoring it as a civilization.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
People just blow past the reality that by the only evidence we have to go off life on another world would most likely be exclusively microbial, and almost certainly not intelligent. Look at the history of life on earth.

And if that's what's out there...who cares. I mean, it'd be an interesting discovery. But how does it change anything for US? The knowledge that we are or aren't alone isn't going to change human civilization or behaviior. I mean, it's already a pretty solid assumption that there's at least some kind of extremely primitive life *somewhere* in the vastness of space. And just look around, lol.

Cronch - very true. Nuclear weapons is one of course (and I think the moment where we gained the ability to destroy ourselves in a single action/touch of button), but there could be any other number of man-made disasters, such as the destruction of our environment, or even our failure to protect ourselves properly against natural ones. This could be an incoming asteroid (we must assume the Dinosaurs never mastered an early warning system) or even a deadly virus. The events surrounding Covid over the last year have shown there are some serious shortcomings in our global capacity to protect ourselves in that regard.

 gorgon wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
People just blow past the reality that by the only evidence we have to go off life on another world would most likely be exclusively microbial, and almost certainly not intelligent. Look at the history of life on earth.

And if that's what's out there...who cares. I mean, it'd be an interesting discovery. But how does it change anything for US? The knowledge that we are or aren't alone isn't going to change human civilization or behaviior. I mean, it's already a pretty solid assumption that there's at least some kind of extremely primitive life *somewhere* in the vastness of space. And just look around, lol.

I think there would be a proportion of people that probably wouldn't care, and would barely even think of it. But, I think for anyone that has (attempted) to give serious thought about our place in the universe, ever really even read a science fiction book about that subject (most of us here probably have!) I think it would be absolutely earth shattering. Either definitive proof that we are alone or that there are a myriad number of sapient species in the galaxy and potentially in contact with us; I find both of these prospects terrifying!

I honestly think the anal probes are about fishing and its interstellar/ intergalactic tourism...

Think about it. You go fishing, you pull out a fish from its natural enviornment through your god-like the technology of bait, hook, and line. You then put it on the mat and take selfies with it weigh it and measure it before depositing it back to its world.

I've hooked fish by bellies, tails, sides, etc. Not on purpose of course but what's to say occasional anal probing isn't just alien fishing rods/measuring tape going wrong.. How do they know where out mouths are and if they even understand what a mouth is?

Just saying it.... Alien tourism/safari sounds legit.

How common are stories of anal probing in abduction accounts? I suspect they were not particularly common, and often only one invasive medical(?) procedure of many that the experiencer endured—but they make a great point to latch onto for anyone looking to mock the entire field of UFO witnesses so as to dismiss them.

I’m honestly uncomfortable with how similar “anal probe” jokes are to prison rape jokes, and who is often the punchline.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How common are stories of anal probing in abduction accounts? I suspect they were not particularly common, and often only one invasive medical(?) procedure of many that the experiencer endured—but they make a great point to latch onto for anyone looking to mock the entire field of UFO witnesses so as to dismiss them.

I’m honestly uncomfortable with how similar “anal probe” jokes are to prison rape jokes, and who is often the punchline.

I think some of the more authentic "anal probing" and abduction stories do sound like someone has been violated/raped or otherwise abused by another human and the whole idea it was aliens is a mental shield for them as they try to process it. This is before you even touch on the impact of people with mental disabilities, drugs and other medical situations which can result in long term or short term issues with a persons perception of the world around them.

 Flinty wrote:
But there are a lot of stars in the galaxy, so even if the vast vast majority of life is single celled, just the sheer number of data points would lead to other intelligent life existing as well. Otherwise you get back to believing that humans are somehow unique, which seems unlikely given the sheer number of available planets.

Well if you consider the odds of a planet having conditions in which life as we know it is even possible that eliminates most of them. Then consider out of the history of life on earth what percentage of it has hosted intelligent life. It is very plausible we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy. Then we have to consider said intelligent life simply being on a planet that does not have the materials/conditions to create technological development. It isn't well known but agricultural, farming-based societies were, by the evidence we have currently, a step DOWN in quality of life from hunter-gathering society. It was something resorted to as humans deplected their local ecosystems from being OP.

@Great filter theory, IMO this is just a pseudo-scientific outgrowth of humanity's apocalypse fetish. It steps too far back and ignores the incalculable levels of nuance involved.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
But there are a lot of stars in the galaxy, so even if the vast vast majority of life is single celled, just the sheer number of data points would lead to other intelligent life existing as well. Otherwise you get back to believing that humans are somehow unique, which seems unlikely given the sheer number of available planets.

Well if you consider the odds of a planet having conditions in which life as we know it is even possible that eliminates most of them. Then consider out of the history of life on earth what percentage of it has hosted intelligent life. It is very plausible we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy. Then we have to consider said intelligent life simply being on a planet that does not have the materials to cause or support technological development.

@Great filter theory, IMO this is just a pseudo-scientific outgrowth of humanity's apocalypse fetish. It steps too far back and ignores the incalculable levels of nuance involved.

Even lf odds are 0.000000000000000000001% it's still lotsa planets.

And only in galaxy? That still leaves crapload of intelligent life outside. Our galaxy is but tiny drop.

True, but getting into other galaxy stuff starts tapping into far larger concepts. The sheer amount of time and distance involved creates a host of conceptual issues.


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tneva82 wrote:
Even lf odds are 0.000000000000000000001% it's still lotsa planets.

Well given that 0.000000001% odds would be 1 planet, I'd say your math is a bit off.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
How common are stories of anal probing in abduction accounts? I suspect they were not particularly common, and often only one invasive medical(?) procedure of many that the experiencer endured—but they make a great point to latch onto for anyone looking to mock the entire field of UFO witnesses so as to dismiss them.

I’m honestly uncomfortable with how similar “anal probe” jokes are to prison rape jokes, and who is often the punchline.

Your uncomforted is noted and disregarded as its not the same thing in the slightest...
I wasn't mocking.
There's whole programmes on abductions and tons of personal accounts. Pretty much all of them describing some sort of medical procedures/implants/probing (including anal probing). Vast majority seems the persons are a bit unhinged... I personally think its coping mechanism to trauma of some sort in a lot of cases.

But in some cases? I genuinely believe in some sort of safari/wildlife research type ventures, otherwise why else aliens not contact humanity and do this?

I certainly don't buy that somehow an inter stellar/intergalactic entity would be unable to interface with our tech or want to communicate.
The "They are waiting for us to be ready" line also seems a bit presumptuous. We are millennia from any tangible inter stellar/ intergalactic capability.

Unless of course we are so primitive to them we are no better than apes in a zoo.
Which makes sense, considering humans aka sentient being have been going around document and looking at weird gak in natural world since time immemorial.

Which still makes no sense that we've seen no proof. Africa is overrun with eager tourists, and their trash is everywhere. Where is our Roadside Picnic?

Exactly. It doesn't make sense either..

I don't think unmans are "alone" in the universe as a sentient species.
But I don't think we have any significant importance to be worth of interest to any potential type 2+ civilisation...

I'm more in the camp of what we are seeing is man made things perhaps reverse engineered from extra terrestrial debris.
Could well be some remains of a malfunctioned probe/scanning beacon etc. that made its way here.

The "tic tacs" and other such are likely unmanned considering they allegedly preform manoeuvres which would G force a humie brain into pulp.

The thing is aerodynamics don't change because you're alien. However how we design things is rarely purely for one factor. Eg a lot of cars are very poorly designed for air flow, however they are practical for certain applications or they just "look nicer".

If you start stripping down aircraft to be purely functional machines built to be the best they can be then chances are you do end up with some "alien" designs. Esp if you pair them with top end engines and guidance and perhaps even remote control so that you can indeed remove the pilot from the system .


Drone warefare is in its infancy right now and the idea that they've been working on way more advanced stuff than that which lands in the field makes full sense.




As I noted earlier if you didn't know about them and they were kept secret and you only saw them at a distance, a stealth bomber looks very alien.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 Flinty wrote:
But there are a lot of stars in the galaxy, so even if the vast vast majority of life is single celled, just the sheer number of data points would lead to other intelligent life existing as well. Otherwise you get back to believing that humans are somehow unique, which seems unlikely given the sheer number of available planets.

Well if you consider the odds of a planet having conditions in which life as we know it is even possible that eliminates most of them. Then consider out of the history of life on earth what percentage of it has hosted intelligent life. It is very plausible we are the only intelligent life in the galaxy. Then we have to consider said intelligent life simply being on a planet that does not have the materials/conditions to create technological development. It isn't well known but agricultural, farming-based societies were, by the evidence we have currently, a step DOWN in quality of life from hunter-gathering society. It was something resorted to as humans deplected their local ecosystems from being OP.

@Great filter theory, IMO this is just a pseudo-scientific outgrowth of humanity's apocalypse fetish. It steps too far back and ignores the incalculable levels of nuance involved.

“Life as we know it” wasn’t the question, just intelligent life. So we can’t arbitrarily put limits on what kind of planet that might need.

And under what metric did farming reduce quality of life?

 Flinty wrote:

And under what metric did farming reduce quality of life?

Sedentary life brought with it a huge number of diseases.
Farming basically encourages you to remain in one spot rather than move along, that means that waste becomes a huge issue. It's very easy to contaminate your own water source when you don't fully understand bacteria and water contamination.

Furthermore as you start to domesticate livestock you gain a huge number of diseases that jump species because now you're living in prolonged close proximity. Viruses that jump cross species also have a much higher level of lethality because you're not the target species so it doesn't "care" if you die. Or rather in a normal host species a virus typically evolves to a point where it can self replicate and thus spread; but has to keep the host alive in order to spread. Zoonosis is a huge issue.



I believe there were also impacts to human dental and diet contents as farming led to excess in some regions but lacks in others. Plus when you stop migrating away when the seasons change you can gain a host of new issues as you have to deal with both long term food storage and shortage and also colder and harsher conditions.



Yes Farming brings many benefits such as a more reliable food source and a more easily defended territory that you can use structures to further enhance your defence of. However it also brings many challenges of its own and many health implications. Heck even today we have to deal with issues of people over-eating on the "wrong" food groups and having health issues as a result of a lack of exercise.

Farming is a way to get more food from the same amount of land, that's the benefit. There are some neutral trade offs; instead of needing to move, you need to stay put. Instead of being unable to maintain static defenses you have land which requires static defenses. Meanwhile labor goes up, nutrition goes (way) down, reliability of resources goes down, ability to adapt to changing conditions goes down, and so on. But when the alternative is starvation it is still the better choice for the individuals involved.

When any species does 'too well' it depletes its available resources. For every other species the the next step is dying off until the ecosystem gets back into balance. Humans are unique in finding a way around that.

 Overread wrote:
The thing is aerodynamics don't change because you're alien. However how we design things is rarely purely for one factor. Eg a lot of cars are very poorly designed for air flow, however they are practical for certain applications or they just "look nicer".

If you start stripping down aircraft to be purely functional machines built to be the best they can be then chances are you do end up with some "alien" designs. Esp if you pair them with top end engines and guidance and perhaps even remote control so that you can indeed remove the pilot from the system .


Drone warefare is in its infancy right now and the idea that they've been working on way more advanced stuff than that which lands in the field makes full sense.




As I noted earlier if you didn't know about them and they were kept secret and you only saw them at a distance, a stealth bomber looks very alien.

The unwritten unspoken assumption about alien aerodynamics is that its irrelevant - their tech has somehow allowed them to ignore aerodynamic design entirely through the use of anti-gravitic reality bending technology that allows the craft to virtually phase through reality itself, or something.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

When any species does 'too well' it depletes its available resources. For every other species the the next step is dying off until the ecosystem gets back into balance. Humans are unique in finding a way around that.

I believe we are also unique in that we are the about the only species which will hunt a prey species to extinction and also the only species that actively hunts the best of a prey species. Most predators focus on young, sick, old, injured or otherwise vulnerable prey. Because most predators have to get into direct combat for the kill and that means putting themselves at danger. In the wild there's no one to set your bones, patch you up and protect you whilst you heal.

Humans, on the other hand, have spears (close but not fully close), traps, bows, guns etc... We can remove ourselves from the danger-zone. This means we don't have to go for the sick weak animal, we go for the prime best. That means human predation (unregulated) will result in a prey species not only being depopulated, but also being stripped of their best breeding stock and being left with weaker or immature individuals. Indeed I recall reading that an issue with elephants in Africa is that many herds lose their older matriarch individuals who know the migration routes; leaving immature herds who have fragmented family systems (no clear leadership) and no idea about the migration pathways.

Basically human hunting is exceptionally effective at not just harvesting to the point of extinction, but also weakening a prey species into the extreme.

 Overread wrote:
The thing is aerodynamics don't change because you're alien. However how we design things is rarely purely for one factor. Eg a lot of cars are very poorly designed for air flow, however they are practical for certain applications or they just "look nicer".

If you start stripping down aircraft to be purely functional machines built to be the best they can be then chances are you do end up with some "alien" designs. Esp if you pair them with top end engines and guidance and perhaps even remote control so that you can indeed remove the pilot from the system .

Drone warefare is in its infancy right now and the idea that they've been working on way more advanced stuff than that which lands in the field makes full sense.

As I noted earlier if you didn't know about them and they were kept secret and you only saw them at a distance, a stealth bomber looks very alien.

The biggest issue with this is the performance levels monitored in some of the recently released video. Using the radar returns it is estimated at something like 100,000mph. We currently have probes travelling through the solar system at over 30,000mph, but they are travelling through vacuum and were launched into orbit on rockets that propelled them to a speed to leave Earth's orbit. But these UAPs are accelerating to that speed in just moments, which suggests a further level of technology. One thing mooted (which does sound a bit like 'magic tech') is geodesics or the ability to manipulate gravity curvature and space-time. I'll be honest I read an article on it and don't really understand it, but apparently in theory it would be one way of removing the restrictions (air resistance, inertia etc.) of flying in our atmosphere, and would also explain the characteristics of the one UAP which seemingly moved in and out of water without any impact on its movement. So, it's the behaviour of these things, rather than what they resemble that's the factor.

So to get back on topic here and away from the psychology of anal probes ( ) I think what has changed from even when X-Files first aired on TV..
- We now have far better video record and radar capture of these UAPs apparently with more to come
- These are happening with enough regularity that a commission in US congress is taking place, much of the evidence is from the military some of whom went onto CBS 60 minutes to say they were seeing these UAP daily.
- Research from the Kepler telescope has revealed many more 'earth like' planets, potentially something like 60 billion in our galaxy alone. As NinthMusketeer has pointed out we simply don't know the regularity of multi-cellular life developing, let alone advanced intelligent life. But, this has removed one question mark from before, which was a) the existence of planetary bodies like our own outside of our solar system b) those planets to exist within a 'goldilocks zone', a distance from a star to support life, while also containing an atmosphere.
- There is now some theoretical physics which is seeking to explain the tremendous performance ability seen in these videos and captured on radar. Presumably, an ability to accelerate to enormous speeds in moments could make the concept of interstellar travel something that is no longer an impossibility, given the vast gulf between stars.

If I were a betting man I would still say that there is most likely some much more mundane explanation for these sightings. One is that apparently a lot of them have been captured by an F-18 camera system. It's therefore more likely this is some form of fault or artefact combined with false radar returns. But, the factors in the list above, for me at least have moved the potential for it to be an extra-terrestrial origin from tin-foil hat level to perhaps a remote possibility.

 Pacific wrote:

- There is now some theoretical physics which is seeking to explain the tremendous performance ability seen in these videos and captured on radar. Presumably, an ability to accelerate to enormous speeds in moments could make the concept of interstellar travel something that is no longer an impossibility, given the vast gulf between stars.

Well it's not really impossible as such if we can power up ship to near light speed. Given close enough you can be other side of the galaxy in matter of days.

Of course when you arrive there people on earth are tens of thousands of years older So that's why any space travel will be one way ticket. You can get there fast but not for the people staying back.

@Overread
Farming (specifically grains) led to cavities being a thing (albeit to much lesser degree than once we invented refined sugar, which...was horribly bad time for europeans that could afford sugar) but more importantly, we were using rock hand-mortars and later millstones to grind the grain. Which in turn meant we were now actively eating grains of rock in our food,something our teeth weren't too happy about.

Cronch wrote:
@Overread
Farming (specifically grains) led to cavities being a thing (albeit to much lesser degree than once we invented refined sugar, which...was horribly bad time for europeans that could afford sugar) but more importantly, we were using rock hand-mortars and later millstones to grind the grain. Which in turn meant we were now actively eating grains of rock in our food,something our teeth weren't too happy about.

Ahh yes I forgot about cavities! Something we still struggle with today where sugar is plentiful.

Heck your comment about eating rocks reminds me that until very recently a lot of game birds were shot with lead shot which you'd sometimes find when then eating the bird. A nasty thing is that there's a fair few who spent years shooting and eating game birds who later developed various forms of bowel cancers - perhaps as a result of consumption of bits of lead shot.

 Pacific wrote:

 Overread wrote:
The thing is aerodynamics don't change because you're alien. However how we design things is rarely purely for one factor. Eg a lot of cars are very poorly designed for air flow, however they are practical for certain applications or they just "look nicer".

If you start stripping down aircraft to be purely functional machines built to be the best they can be then chances are you do end up with some "alien" designs. Esp if you pair them with top end engines and guidance and perhaps even remote control so that you can indeed remove the pilot from the system .

Drone warefare is in its infancy right now and the idea that they've been working on way more advanced stuff than that which lands in the field makes full sense.

As I noted earlier if you didn't know about them and they were kept secret and you only saw them at a distance, a stealth bomber looks very alien.

The biggest issue with this is the performance levels monitored in some of the recently released video. Using the radar returns it is estimated at something like 100,000mph. We currently have probes travelling through the solar system at over 30,000mph, but they are travelling through vacuum and were launched into orbit on rockets that propelled them to a speed to leave Earth's orbit. But these UAPs are accelerating to that speed in just moments, which suggests a further level of technology. One thing mooted (which does sound a bit like 'magic tech') is geodesics or the ability to manipulate gravity curvature and space-time. I'll be honest I read an article on it and don't really understand it, but apparently in theory it would be one way of removing the restrictions (air resistance, inertia etc.) of flying in our atmosphere, and would also explain the characteristics of the one UAP which seemingly moved in and out of water without any impact on its movement. So, it's the behaviour of these things, rather than what they resemble that's the factor.

No such behavior or performance has been recorded or monitored on *any* released video. As to the rest of your post - are you ignoring me intentionally? Because I've already explained how electronic warfare systems can spoof telemetry data to make it appear as though an object is jumping around very rapidly in different locations in order to make it more difficult to target. Likewise I have explained how glitches in FLIR systems can result in them rapidly jumping between various similar looking targets that they cannot distinguish between, making it look like an object is moving around rapidly even though it isn't.

In short, stop making false claims that these supposed performance levels justify proof that these are aliens when they are actually explainable within the context of present day human reality.

If I were a betting man I would still say that there is most likely some much more mundane explanation for these sightings. One is that apparently a lot of them have been captured by an F-18 camera system. It's therefore more likely this is some form of fault or artefact combined with false radar returns. But, the factors in the list above, for me at least have moved the potential for it to be an extra-terrestrial origin from tin-foil hat level to perhaps a remote possibility.

I literally elaborated on this and explained it, now you're doing it on-purpose!

Hah.. sorry chaos0xomega I missed your previous post! Not sure what happened there, I will go back and have a read..

++EDIT++ consider myself more educated on the subject! I think you had posted something like 'holding post' or something like that, and then edited the post with the full comment? That would explain why I missed it (or else Aliens did it!)

Really interesting post though thanks for taking the time to write it. You've actually gone several steps further than any of the professional media posts I have read on the subject, the bit about the Hornet radar/camera system was especially interesting.

Sorry if I came off like an ass, lol. Yeah I had the "hold" there - I posted an even lengthier and more detailed post originally which included links and sources for everything, but theres something going on with my company firewall that causes my posts on dakka (and sometimes reddit and even google search terms) to get scrambled - even though I *wrote* a cohesive and well cited post, when I hit submit it posted out with sentence fragments randomly re-arranged, entire paragraphs deleted, all the links replaced with just one link (which was itself incorrect, I think part of it got cut off).

Worst part is is that the scrambling seems to actually occur before I ever hit submit, as I've tried copy/pasting my work into notepad or word docs since then and every once in a while it will paste out scrambled even though the written post is clear as day. Ultimately I ended up rewriting what I could in notepad from memory and pasting that into dakka, but I didn't have time to re-source all the citations.

oh well, serves me right for posting on dakka on company dime I suppose.

I personally always liked the theory that UFO's are simply human time travellers. They don't interact because they don't want to influence the future; merely to study the past. The reason that there is no hard evidence is because if they happened to leave any; the minute they get back they can pick up on it in a history book and go back to excise it. Their craft perform impossible feats due to being more technologically advanced than ours by a few hundred years. It's even possible that the 'anal probing' incidents are merely the equivalent of time travelling sex offenders.

It's a surprisingly elegant explanation that accounts for all variables; except for the fact that time travel is currently thought to be impossible. But then again, so was flight once upon a time.

Lets face it, go back 100 or 200 years and tell people that you can talk to people in Australia in real time with a machine that can fit onto your palm and even show them a video of yourself in real time and they'd call you insane.

Now tell them that that same machine can not only talk to people on the other side of the world, but in outer space; and access the combined knowledge of the whole world; and do maths; and play snake; and take photos; and be a calendar and it still fits on your palm. Then tell them that you can travel around the world in only 3 days (and that included stops for concord); travel to the moon; destroy whole cities with a single bomb; generate enough power to block out the stars themselves.



We live in the age of science fiction.


Heck I often joke that there's only 3 things from Star Trek that we don't yet have - replicators (3D printers are getting there - slowly ); Warpdrive and Shields. Heck we have automatic sliding doors!!!!