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But if balance settles... I won't feel compelled to buy more GW product...

The horror!

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:

Hyperbole come to thy aid ! Yeah that has been happening so maybe they should have ya know, delayed the release of the edition. They could also put out the point changes for free knowing some of it will be wrong, so no they aren't doing anything dang nice at all. They just aren't doing something as dang wrong as when they tried to put out the mini version of the 8th edition rule book without the erratas in it but claiming it was up to date with erratas, have to back track then go silent on it.

I feel like you're confused. Unless you're referencing something different?

They are giving "free" points for TK & GS, because they book went to print and with the upended shipping / software / etc it would be a better idea not to destroy those books for no reason.

As someone else stated the better idea would be to cut the cost of the book. Bottom line of it is they are still charging top of the line price for a broken on release product. That isn't acceptable from a company that bills itself as the best of the best. They don't care if you or me or anyone couldn't afford their stuff because of " pandemic hard times " why do people feel they should get a break because " pandemic bad ". Don't get me wrong, it is, but if they have to take one on the chin because they screwed um up, so be it, let them take a cost hit as opposed to expecting the customer to buy a broken on release book at full price. These aren't my armies but I'd be pretty annoyed if they were. As is I'm still bothered they expect people to just be happy about it like they are doing people a solid. It's not a favor.


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 Daedalus81 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Weird engineering aside, I'm... really confused as to why you wouldn't want a game ruleset to settle. Editions come fast enough. They could at least be stable and functional for the duration.

Because it won't settle as long as codexes come out and kinks need to be ironed out.

Which gets back to maybe there should be some intelligent design governing each book so they don't have all these kinks to iron out and you can actually enjoy an edition before you're being churned right into the next edition. Settling can be good if handled correctly, GW just never handles that correctly. As is if they stick to the usual design train of 3 year edition we may get all the books out right before the end of this edition and people may get around about a year of play time into this edition assuming things don't go crap, again. If there was a time for them to alter their release schedules it should have been from this last spot of bother the world had.

They really need primaris scales gk, termy/paladins... the models would look awesome.

Sf

Mchagen wrote:
So you've made a terrible example out of my 'terrible example?' Where did I say anything about cracks in the bridge? The point is (which you are missing completely), is that a person doesn't need to be in a specific field to make valid criticisms of it.

And no, the field manuals (specifically) are not absolutely necessary to keep things settling.

No, you absolutely do need to be an expert in a field to properly comment on something within that field. There's a reason why terms like 'armchair general' exist. People are free to comment on what they see, but that doesn't mean their assessment is correct.

Note that I'm taking more offense with the idea that experts aren't important and not whether or not someone can comment on a tabletop wargaming - yes, I am on a tangent.

 Theophony wrote:


GW should have been able to see the delays in their shipping schedule and production tables and made changes, because COVID is not a new thing.

Covid AND Brexit. It has massively changed things here. Then again going absolutely nuts over some rules for a game involving toy soldiers is standard practice amongst some gamers. 1st world problems.........

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Mchagen wrote:
So you've made a terrible example out of my 'terrible example?' Where did I say anything about cracks in the bridge? The point is (which you are missing completely), is that a person doesn't need to be in a specific field to make valid criticisms of it.

And no, the field manuals (specifically) are not absolutely necessary to keep things settling.

No, you absolutely do need to be an expert in a field to properly comment on something within that field. There's a reason why terms like 'armchair general' exist. People are free to comment on what they see, but that doesn't mean their assessment is correct.

Note that I'm taking more offense with the idea that experts aren't important and not whether or not someone can comment on a tabletop wargaming - yes, I am on a tangent.

No you do not 'absolutely' need to be an expert in a field to make valid criticisms. You can argue this until you're blue in the face. Also, you keep claiming your statements are absolutes--they aren't any where near absolute.

Because some people 'armchair general' does not mean all people do. Some criticisms are actually valid.

I've never stated that experts aren't important--that's a strawman you've made.

Field manuals are not essential for 40k 'settling' or otherwise.

To people who are upset that the points in the book are wrong for GK/TS:

Pretend the release has been delayed until those two codex are out, and buy it then. The points will be entirely up to date and you'll be good to go. In the meantime, GW released your points update as a totally free download.

That is fine, but no one should be buying for full price a broken at release product, regardless of reason that has happened. GW doesn't give charity to the player, why should they give it to them ? Day 1 or Day 0 erratas on such an expensive product is not cool, never has been and never should be acceptable. The fact that people want to demand people accept it is why we get such half effort low quality work. You get game systems that will never be close to balanced, games that take years to reach a finished state that was promised at launch, things that wouldn't have been acceptable years ago.

There will always be an excuse or a reason, and they could make it right with the cost and they won't.