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 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
The lack of marketing for eldar has always been pretty puzzling to me. I hate them but I've seen enough franchises to know that the most popular factions are always the "cool" humans followed by the high elves. It's probably the same dumb marketing logic that had Sisters sitting in the pit for years despite obviously being a potential big seller.


If they wanted to market Craftworlders they'd have to face up to the inconsistency of marketing a cool army with a twenty-year-old minis range because their art team doesn't think the Craftworlds are that cool.

Well yeah, that's basically what I was referring to by comparing them to Sisters. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Eldar sell terribly, even with them being routinely competitive... But obviously they sell terribly because new players don't like to invest in old, dated models. It's the same feedback loop of "oh nobody is buying the metal Sisters, clearly nobody wants Sisters at all" that completely ignores the context behind the numbers.
   
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 Arachnofiend wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Arachnofiend wrote:
The lack of marketing for eldar has always been pretty puzzling to me. I hate them but I've seen enough franchises to know that the most popular factions are always the "cool" humans followed by the high elves. It's probably the same dumb marketing logic that had Sisters sitting in the pit for years despite obviously being a potential big seller.


If they wanted to market Craftworlders they'd have to face up to the inconsistency of marketing a cool army with a twenty-year-old minis range because their art team doesn't think the Craftworlds are that cool.

Well yeah, that's basically what I was referring to by comparing them to Sisters. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Eldar sell terribly, even with them being routinely competitive... But obviously they sell terribly because new players don't like to invest in old, dated models. It's the same feedback loop of "oh nobody is buying the metal Sisters, clearly nobody wants Sisters at all" that completely ignores the context behind the numbers.


Well...Even better. They haven't got new release in ages.

GW models sell most of their sprues in first months. Not years.

Wave 1 sisters are already on slow sale burner.

For GW it's all about new releases. Eldars don't sell much now. That's for sure. When was last time they got new models? They can release new units now but that doesn't help older kits. It wouldn't even really matter if eldars had got redone in 2011. It's 10 year old now. 2016? Not much better.

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Eldar have had new models, their main issue is that a lot of their core models have remained rather old. Things like Guardians are very old plastics now and show it; meanwhile their Aspect Warriors, which are supposed to be a major focal point of their armies and themes, are still trapped in old metals and finecast.

The new Banshee are great, but they need the support of the rest being brought into modern plastics.



Eldar are all over the place; things like wraiths have some pretty modern models; but then the "core" of the standard army is all old stuff. GW has basically expanded them well by adding new things ,but their old stuff hasn't stood the test of time well and hasn't been updated enough.

It means things like their recent duel set with the new Banshee likely undersold not just because of price, but because it was old plastics bundled with new and most of the established market has enough of the standard models (I think it was falcons and vipers).

Meanwhile a lot of their christmas bundles have been the same - wraiths and wraiths and sometimes a titan but basically lots of wraith stuff.

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My hot take on the Eldar issue is that I personally dont think there is people on the design team that wants to support them. That goes for DE as well. Like they can pump out weird ass nundams out of nowhere and a special character unit for them but they couldnt add a new unit to Drukhari or make mandrakes/grotesque into a plastic kit.

Then you look at what their doing with AoS and they are just pumping out entirely new factions left and right and for the most part are all pretty awesome model wise. I'm praying that CWE finally get the rework they deserve. Though I dont know how they could rework the vehicles they all look amazing despite being 20+ years old.

 
   
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Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
They are women in an historically male hobby/setting.
They don't have the oversized body features typically found in fantasy/anime stuff.
They are an original idea not found anywhere else.
They are cool.
   
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Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
But they have... *clutches pearls* ... boob-plate!!!

*faints*

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Siegfriedfr wrote:
Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
But they have... *clutches pearls* ... boob-plate!!!

*faints*


Remember that time PETA tried to guilt-trip space wolves players because their miniatures were wearing fur?

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 Jidmah wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Siegfriedfr wrote:
Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
But they have... *clutches pearls* ... boob-plate!!!

*faints*


Remember that time PETA tried to guilt-trip space wolves players because their miniatures were wearing fur?


I started a space wolf army after that

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I think sisters are in a much better place compared to other xenos races like Eldar. This is because ultimately, sisters of battle are human race and they are female at that.

Sure, space marines will always be popular. But there is also a rising trend even in video games of having female protagonists instead of male. So, promoting sisters of battle is very keeping to that trend.

Sisters of battle are visually cool and pleasing to look at. So what's not to like?

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Siegfriedfr wrote:
Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
They are women in an historically male hobby/setting.
They don't have the oversized body features typically found in fantasy/anime stuff.
They are an original idea not found anywhere else.
They are cool.


as someone who despises this current woke culture , I really don't think we are seeing this here.

Sisters have been around far before this movement. I don't think they were brought back in a big way to draw female players, more the case of seeing that more females were playing games in general (and the whole geek is now chic change). Therefore, bringing in a predominantly female army opens up the scope, and I'm sure that the sales of the initial wave was a huge driving factor to keep pushing.

Let's be honest, the current sisters look more 'old 40K' than most current armies and are some of the best looking models currently. I'm all for them being front and center.
   
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As some have said before, the Sisters of Battle haven't truly replaced Space Marines as the poster boys/girls, but they do encapsulate the 40k universe in terms of story and appearance. And they have a very unique aesthetic, unlike (say) Cadians, which makes them effective brand ambassadors.


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A delight to paint, maybe, but a pain in the ass to build. Single-pose models that, for some reason, come in 500 little pieces... the worst of both worlds. I hope GW's current war on customization is just a phase, but I'm not holding my breath.


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 bullyboy wrote:
Sisters have been around far before this movement. I don't think they were brought back in a big way to draw female players, more the case of seeing that more females were playing games in general (and the whole geek is now chic change). Therefore, bringing in a predominantly female army opens up the scope, and I'm sure that the sales of the initial wave was a huge driving factor to keep pushing.

Let's be honest, the current sisters look more 'old 40K' than most current armies and are some of the best looking models currently. I'm all for them being front and center.

Exactly. Their inclusion doesn't feel like a cynical marketing ploy at all. They've always been right at home in the 40k setting.

I like that the art often shows them with heavy scars or prosthetic limbs. Sisters of Battle are not there to be idealized as "girl bosses" or to provide fanservice for neckbeards. They're there because the world of 40k is a world that is hard on all genders, and so it makes sense that all genders should fight and bleed and kill and be killed on muddy battlefields. Acknowledging the existence of the other half of humankind is not "wokeness" (whatever that means nowadays).

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 bullyboy wrote:
Siegfriedfr wrote:
Sisters are perfect for the current "woke" trend which seem to invade every segment of capitalism.
They are women in an historically male hobby/setting.
They don't have the oversized body features typically found in fantasy/anime stuff.
They are an original idea not found anywhere else.
They are cool.


as someone who despises this current woke culture , I really don't think we are seeing this here.

Sisters have been around far before this movement. I don't think they were brought back in a big way to draw female players, more the case of seeing that more females were playing games in general (and the whole geek is now chic change). Therefore, bringing in a predominantly female army opens up the scope, and I'm sure that the sales of the initial wave was a huge driving factor to keep pushing.

Let's be honest, the current sisters look more 'old 40K' than most current armies and are some of the best looking models currently. I'm all for them being front and center.


I really don't see Sisters as being "Woke" or invasive. GW offers a diverse array of narrative devices for people to engage in, from fraternal orders like the Marines, integrated armies like guard and many xenos, and a sorority in the sisters. Sisters tend to appeal both to women who are looking for something that they can identify with, the "dress up doll" guys, and folks who just appreciate a well sculpted army with bad as lore and play. As long as they sell, all good for GW as well.
   
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They are more survivable than Imperial Guard and much more common than Space Marines.
It's sort of weird that there isn't much more novels about them.
Smells of agenda.

   
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 Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
They are more survivable than Imperial Guard and much more common than Space Marines.
It's sort of weird that there isn't much more novels about them.
Smells of agenda.



Not really. For a long long time they were a smaller side army in all metal. They never had huge popularity of Marines nor Imperial Guard. They might be more common than Marines in lore, but that isn't what translates into reality.

So whilst BL had a mandate to focus on Imperial stories (which is why there are very few Xenos stories where the Xenos is the lead character(s)); the Sisters just weren't big nor popular enough to command attention. Plus a lot of the novels BL makes are high volume from some key authors who are involved in big long story lines and such - which are often marines/guard. So in a sense not only wasn't there the customerbase, there also weren't the "spare" authors to dedicate to it.



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 Overread wrote:
 Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
They are more survivable than Imperial Guard and much more common than Space Marines.
It's sort of weird that there isn't much more novels about them.
Smells of agenda.



Not really. For a long long time they were a smaller side army in all metal. They never had huge popularity of Marines nor Imperial Guard. They might be more common than Marines in lore, but that isn't what translates into reality.

So whilst BL had a mandate to focus on Imperial stories (which is why there are very few Xenos stories where the Xenos is the lead character(s)); the Sisters just weren't big nor popular enough to command attention. Plus a lot of the novels BL makes are high volume from some key authors who are involved in big long story lines and such - which are often marines/guard. So in a sense not only wasn't there the customerbase, there also weren't the "spare" authors to dedicate to it.




that said the few novels featuring sisters as protagionists are by and large excellent. the sisters of battle Omnibus by James Swallow is a good read (certainly better then his blood angels stuff) and I really enjoyed Mark of Faith.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Overread wrote:
 Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
They are more survivable than Imperial Guard and much more common than Space Marines.
It's sort of weird that there isn't much more novels about them.
Smells of agenda.



Not really. For a long long time they were a smaller side army in all metal. They never had huge popularity of Marines nor Imperial Guard. They might be more common than Marines in lore, but that isn't what translates into reality.

So whilst BL had a mandate to focus on Imperial stories (which is why there are very few Xenos stories where the Xenos is the lead character(s)); the Sisters just weren't big nor popular enough to command attention. Plus a lot of the novels BL makes are high volume from some key authors who are involved in big long story lines and such - which are often marines/guard. So in a sense not only wasn't there the customerbase, there also weren't the "spare" authors to dedicate to it.




that said the few novels featuring sisters as protagionists are by and large excellent. the sisters of battle Omnibus by James Swallow is a good read (certainly better then his blood angels stuff) and I really enjoyed Mark of Faith.


And now they are getting their own comic, books, and I believe a show I believe

I think sisters need far more credit then they get.
For me personally the way their "faith" seems to interact with the warp, and Blackstone things is potentially a game changer in terms of the 40k in-universe paradigm.
Maybe they can be the catalyst for E ascending to true god-hood and dying in the physical universe bringing about a whole new era of 40k. No primarch or villain could play this role better IMO.

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SoB are probably my least favorite faction in 40k... but I'm glad that *someone* besides Astartes is getting some focus. I wish the SoS got more though.
   
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Hecaton wrote:
SoB are probably my least favorite faction in 40k... but I'm glad that *someone* besides Astartes is getting some focus. I wish the SoS got more though.


personally I think sisters are one of the most 40k factions in 40k.

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I think if I wanted to show someone with zero familiarity with the setting what 40k is, I'd have a lot more success getting the vibe across with Sisters than Space Marines. An Intercessor or Tactical fits in in basically any sci-fi setting, a Sister is very specifically 40k.
   
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 Arachnofiend wrote:
I think if I wanted to show someone with zero familiarity with the setting what 40k is, I'd have a lot more success getting the vibe across with Sisters than Space Marines. An Intercessor or Tactical fits in in basically any sci-fi setting, a Sister is very specifically 40k.


won't disagree there. partiuclarly a sisters of battle ARMY. "ohh whats that?" "thats a sister of battle, the militant arm of the church of the god emperor. she wears power'd armor and uses a bolt gun, which is basicly a combination rifle/RPG" "ok cool whats that?" "that's a pentient engine, they take people whom have commited sins and lock them in engines, pump them up on all sorts of combat drugs etc until they're basicly driven nuts and let the loose at the enemy" ".....dear lord... ok and whats that?" "That's an arch-fallagent.."
etc

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 Overread wrote:
 Aszubaruzah Surn wrote:
They are more survivable than Imperial Guard and much more common than Space Marines.
It's sort of weird that there isn't much more novels about them.
Smells of agenda.



Not really. For a long long time they were a smaller side army in all metal. They never had huge popularity of Marines nor Imperial Guard. They might be more common than Marines in lore, but that isn't what translates into reality.

So whilst BL had a mandate to focus on Imperial stories (which is why there are very few Xenos stories where the Xenos is the lead character(s)); the Sisters just weren't big nor popular enough to command attention. Plus a lot of the novels BL makes are high volume from some key authors who are involved in big long story lines and such - which are often marines/guard. So in a sense not only wasn't there the customerbase, there also weren't the "spare" authors to dedicate to it.

Comparing the Sisters of now to the all metal, direct only, everything in blister pack version that existed before is like comparing oranges and lemons. Sure, they're related, but they're not the same thing and people don't go out of their way to suck on lemons like they would eat oranges.
   
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Well it wasn't always bad, back at the start they were fairly normal. Don't forget Necrons were once all metal save for the Obelisk. Back when Sisters were released it was reasonably normal for a new smaller army to be released like that.

The main issue was that Sisters got left behind with the successive update waves. They didn't even get big rosters of new models like Eldar did (much as we might complain that core models haven't been updated, Eldar have at least had new modern plastic toys in semi recent years)

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I am very happy for sisters players. It is a cool army and a cool concept. But you are out of your mind if you think they are going to take over the face of 40k. There is NO way that is going to happen. Marines sell to damn well. The sell books and they sell models.

Sisters will be one of the main factions going forward and can expect a very high non space marine support. And good on them. Glad to see it.
   
 
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