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 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
[No, plain language tells us. the models are done fighting when they go through the 3 steps. After that, when attacks are resolved, the fight is then resolved.

Still no citation when a fight is resolved. You are making up rules. What happens in the next fight phase, when there still are enemy models in engagement range ? The unit is eligible to fight, and you must select the unit to fight. How can a fight be resolved, when models must fight ? Resolved means its over, it has ended. A fight that continues hasnt ended. Thats illogical, counter intuitive, and wrong.

FIGHT PHASE
Starting with the player whose turn is not taking place, the players must alternate selecting an eligible unit from their army and fighting with it.An eligible unit is one that is within Engagement Range of an enemy unit and/or made a charge move in the same turn. If neither player has any eligible units to fight with, the Fight phase ends.

Give it up man.

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
[No, plain language tells us. the models are done fighting when they go through the 3 steps. After that, when attacks are resolved, the fight is then resolved.

Still no citation when a fight is resolved.

This citation is literally on the first page of this thread:

FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.

After you've completed those steps the fight for that unit is resolved. That's a very specific set of instructions defining a rules term so we don't need to deal with plain English meanings since the term has been defined for us in the rules. Any appeal to plain English is pointless for that reason.

Do you have a direct rules quote that supports your assertion? Do you have a direct rules quote that contradicts the above?

Slipspace wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
[No, plain language tells us. the models are done fighting when they go through the 3 steps. After that, when attacks are resolved, the fight is then resolved.

Still no citation when a fight is resolved.

This citation is literally on the first page of this thread:

FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.

After you've completed those steps the fight for that unit is resolved.

No, attacks have been resolved.

Slipspace wrote:

That's a very specific set of instructions defining a rules term so we don't need to deal with plain English meanings since the term has been defined for us in the rules. Any appeal to plain English is pointless for that reason.

Do you have a direct rules quote that supports your assertion? Do you have a direct rules quote that contradicts the above?

Again, provide a rule citation when a fight is resolved. The rules tell us how to resolve attacks, but that doesnt mean that the fight is resolved, once attacks are resolved. Its wrong that a fight is resolved when it continues the next fight phase.

MAKE CLOSE COMBAT ATTACKS
When a unit makes its close combat attacks, before resolving those attacks you must first determine which models can fight and how many attacks they will make,

Select Targets
Before you resolve any attacks, you must first select the target unit(s) for all of the attacks.

You'll notice from this earlier citation;
FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.
That resolving attacks is just the middle step of a Fight, book ended by Piling In and Consolidating.

Hence, the above citation clearly referring to fighting, not exclusively resolving attacks. This is further supported by the fact that it's titled 'Fight'.
You are literally ignoring quotes from the rulebook that directly address the issue at hand, in favour of quoting only tangentially related sections in your strange attempts to create some kind of confusion.

 p5freak wrote:

Slipspace wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
[No, plain language tells us. the models are done fighting when they go through the 3 steps. After that, when attacks are resolved, the fight is then resolved.

Still no citation when a fight is resolved.

This citation is literally on the first page of this thread:

FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.

After you've completed those steps the fight for that unit is resolved.

No, attacks have been resolved.

Incorrect. Did you even read the quote above? The above defines what a Fight is. Making attacks is part of the process of resolving a Fight, as shown in the quote. You're correct that a Fight isn't resolved once attacks are resolved as that is the middle of the three steps outlined in the above citation. The Fight is resolved after a unit consolidates, which is after attacks are resolved.

According to the citation above the process for a fight breaks down into:

1. Pile In
2. Resolve Attacks
3. Consolidate

And your response is the citation only deals with resolving attacks? You either don't understand the quote or you're deliberately misrepresenting it despite the clear black-and-white text countering your entire stance on this.

I am not ignoring anything, you do. The shock assault rule was changed, and everyone ignores that change, plays it the old way, which is no longer valid.

When a unit fights, its attacks are resolved, thats what the rules say.

FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.

A unit makes close combat attacks, when all models have done so their attacks are resolved.

A fight cannot be resolved (which means thats its ended, or its over) when it goes on in the next fight phase, as long as there are enemy models within engagement range.

 p5freak wrote:
I am not ignoring anything, you do. The shock assault rule was changed, and everyone ignores that change, plays it the old way, which is no longer valid.

When a unit fights, its attacks are resolved, thats what the rules say.

FIGHT
When you select a unit to fight, it first piles in, then the models in the unit must make close combat attacks, and then the unit consolidates.

A unit makes close combat attacks, when all models have done so their attacks are resolved.

A fight cannot be resolved (which means thats its ended, or its over) when it goes on in the next fight phase, as long as there are enemy models within engagement range.

No. A thousand times no. The rule you quote tells us what constitutes a fight - it's right there in the quote that you're ignoring. A fight is three steps - pile in, make attacks, consolidate. That's it. Your definition is not supported by the rules.

I have no idea why you keep mentioning attacks. We're talking about the definition of Fight yet you keep bringing up attacks as if they're synonymous, which they clearly aren't.

This is probably pointless, but can you explain, with direct reference to an actual rule, why you don't agree that the definition of Fight provided above (directly cited from the rules) doesn't determine when a fight has been resolved? We have a definition and three steps to follow. After step 3 we have resolved the Fight according to the rules. On what basis do you dispute this? Note that using a plain English definition of "resolve" or "fight" is not relevant here because the term Fight has been given a specific meaning, different to that used in regular English.

I think at this point we’ve explained it multiple times and p5freak refuses to read the rule correctly. No one else is in doubt.

That pretty much sums it up. Closing this as it has been answered on the first page.