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Agreed. Ike Pearlmutter, famously terrible dude, is responsible for a lot of the kiddy gloves during the first 2 phases of the mcu.


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 chromedog wrote:
They bought Marvel in 2009. Iron man came out in 2010. The first film in the "MCU" as you know it.
2008, actually, so they weren't really involved in that film.

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That said, pretty much ALL of the marvel stuff is a cheap joke. Marginally better than the DC stuff.
Yeah... I don't think that holds true. If it did, then both of them would be great successes.


I think ultimately the MCU's trick is it tries to be semi-accurate to the comics (while identifying which parts of the stories didn't age well) and doesn't take itself too seriously. the MCU understands it's all about HAVING FUN


The real trick is that it's just a thin veneer of comics accuracy...little catchphrases and notes and details, even as they change characters' backstories and motivations. Most of the audience isn't very familiar with the source material for the core Avengers characters, let alone GotG, Ms/Captain Marvel, Thanos, Eternals, etc. There's no baggage there to worry about. So it's about including just enough of those notes from the comics to keep the comics fanboys titillated...which the shared universe itself already does to some degree.

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I enjoyed it, another MCU film in the good pile for me.

Also after seeing Red Guardian, part of me would love to see the Winter Guard down the road, partially just to see Darkstar.

Yelena was one of the best parts of the film in my mind, can't wait to see were it goes.

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Yelena was definitely a high point. If Scarjo is out they found a worthy successor.

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Based off this movie I can definitely see the MCU selling out quite a bit to cheap jokes directed at kids in the MCU phase 2. We definitely saw stuff like this in episode 7-9 of Star Wars.
   
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bat702 wrote:
Based off this movie I can definitely see the MCU selling out quite a bit to cheap jokes directed at kids in the MCU phase 2. We definitely saw stuff like this in episode 7-9 of Star Wars.
Did you watch any of the iron man movies? Or Thor movies? Of Guardians of the Galaxy movies? Or Avengers 1 and 2? Or Antman/Antman and the Wasp?

The MCU has been 80+% jokes from movie 1. If anything SW 7-9 tried to imitate the MCU and failed to do it well.


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Indeed.

It’s kinda of the hallmark of the MCU, an undercurrent of humour running through all the films.

Even in Winter Soldier, the most serious of the fare we still get tension relieving quips.

For me, it makes things more relatable. Steve and Tony are both ultimately Just Human Beings. Humour relieves stress. If you go all Po faced, you end up with the god awful DCEU, where everyone is gravelly and grim because apparently that’s all mature and that.

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bat702 wrote:
Based off this movie I can definitely see the MCU selling out quite a bit to cheap jokes directed at kids in the MCU phase 2. We definitely saw stuff like this in episode 7-9 of Star Wars.


I guess Phase 2 had both Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man in there, so there were some cheap jokes, but I don't think the jokes ruined any of the films in that block.

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Thor Ragnarok got close a few times to the humor being too much or inappropriate in places. I still quite enjoyed that movie. It does give me trepidation for Love And Thunder though where it sounds like the director is doubling down on it.

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Indeed.

It’s kinda of the hallmark of the MCU, an undercurrent of humour running through all the films.

Even in Winter Soldier, the most serious of the fare we still get tension relieving quips.

For me, it makes things more relatable. Steve and Tony are both ultimately Just Human Beings. Humour relieves stress. If you go all Po faced, you end up with the god awful DCEU, where everyone is gravelly and grim because apparently that’s all mature and that.


It’s a big part of why I like Bendis’ writing in the comics. They tend to just talk and behave more like real people having real conversations and his books end up being my favorite ones.

 
   
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Just watched, pretty mediocre in my opinion, still the typical 6/10 Marvel movie.

But I toyed with the idea of a crossover with Stranger Things. Now we know what happened to sheriff Hopper after being imprisoned (and possibly indoctrinated) in Russia . Timelines of both Hopper and Red Guardian match perfectly .


 
   
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Very poor film. Wife dozed off and daughter was just bored. In our view it was just lots of pointless fights seeing as we know the main character will be ok. The consensus on the best part was the sequence when they were kids and then the rest was instantly forgettable. Even the Marvel humour wasn't there. I concur with the reviewer that it felt like one of the old Marvel films like Iron man 2 before the studio hit its better stride.
   
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But I toyed with the idea of a crossover with Stranger Things. Now we know what happened to sheriff Hopper after being imprisoned (and possibly indoctrinated) in Russia . Timelines of both Hopper and Red Guardian match perfectly .


This...scarily makes sense...

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I’m interested to see where they go with Red Guardian and his apparent fights with Captain America. It obviously wasn’t Steve and it doesn’t seem to fit the timeline for Isaiah Bradley, so does that mean there was another, other Captain America floating around in the 80’s?? Although they initially played it as if he was making it up, the way he asks Nat about seems like they’re making it a real thing.

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Wasn't that just bullshitting? Hence why the guy calls him out on it?

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I very likely wasn't just bullshitting. If he was bullshitting the people in prison why would he ask Nat if Cap had spoken about him when there was no one around to hear about it?

In the comics there was in fact a Cap and Bucky that the government brainwashed into thinking they were the original Steve and Bucky. They went kind of insane and became hyper violent before they got shut down. Red Guardian could easily either have had a fight with this version of cap or he Ran into Steve while he was doing some of the time Travel he was doing.

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Steve Did go back to the past and live his life in secret. Maybe it was a little less secret than we believed?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Steve Did go back to the past and live his life in secret. Maybe it was a little less secret than we believed?


Ooo, now there’s a thought. Great way to give Chris Evans another run out if he ever wants to.

It’s probably the usual MCU trick of leaving vague, but intriguing, threads hanging and then figuring out what to do with them later, but it seemed a bit specific for that.

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Apologies for the slight diversion, but every time someone mentions Chris Evans I feel like the whole world sees



And poor old British Gen Xers like me are just left with this image



On topic, I also thought that it was a nice wee hook for a spin off series, Captain America 1980. We can relive all the best fashion mistakes ever made

And he is definitely too old for this gak!

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Well...it was pretty mediocre. Maybe not the worst MCU movie, but in the bottom 5. Opening sequence was the best and has good suspense and setup. It just didn't feel very original, plot twists were very predictable and I am totally done with the 'villain's base blowing up in the end' cliche.

Red Guardian and the sis were fine, but Melina's character was all over the place.What the heck was her motivation?

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Well...it was pretty mediocre. Maybe not the worst MCU movie, but in the bottom 5. Opening sequence was the best and has good suspense and setup. It just didn't feel very original, plot twists were very predictable and I am totally done with the 'villain's base blowing up in the end' cliche.

Red Guardian and the sis were fine, but Melina's character was all over the place.What the heck was her motivation?


Her motivation was simple..... it changed. I mean you could see right away where her motivation changed, she started off as very professional, her work that she did (with the pigs) was intreasting. it was all theoretical and fun. then she's told "yeah I was one of the people brainwashed" and it hit home... the little girl she'd raised and been a mother too... was a victiem of this..... she could no longer be detached and THERE was when she realized the red room needed to be shut down.


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BrianDavion wrote:
Backfire wrote:
Well...it was pretty mediocre. Maybe not the worst MCU movie, but in the bottom 5. Opening sequence was the best and has good suspense and setup. It just didn't feel very original, plot twists were very predictable and I am totally done with the 'villain's base blowing up in the end' cliche.

Red Guardian and the sis were fine, but Melina's character was all over the place.What the heck was her motivation?


Her motivation was simple..... it changed. I mean you could see right away where her motivation changed, she started off as very professional, her work that she did (with the pigs) was intreasting. it was all theoretical and fun. then she's told "yeah I was one of the people brainwashed" and it hit home... the little girl she'd raised and been a mother too... was a victiem of this..... she could no longer be detached and THERE was when she realized the red room needed to be shut down.



Agreed. Also her character is a product of the red room training. Shes detached and clinical even when shes not really detached. She loves her "daughters". She just has no mechanism to really show it from a life time of being a Black Widow. So even when she changes her motivation to helping them it's still clinical and cold. It's just a list of objectives because thats all she is trained to have.


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Backfire wrote:
Well...it was pretty mediocre. Maybe not the worst MCU movie, but in the bottom 5. Opening sequence was the best and has good suspense and setup. It just didn't feel very original, plot twists were very predictable and I am totally done with the 'villain's base blowing up in the end' cliche.

Red Guardian and the sis were fine, but Melina's character was all over the place.What the heck was her motivation?


I felt the same about the randomly exploding base, until someone earlier in the thread pointed out that they were literally trying to make a MCU Bond film, and that’s what happens at the end of every Bond film; villain monologue followed by everything exploding. It’s still dumb, but I’m feeling a bit more forgiving now that I get why they did it like that, it was a deliberate stylistic choice.

I think the biggest shame was the under / mis-use of Taskmaster, not so much about screen time, but just that you could have used any heavy henchman and it would have worked out the same. They didn’t find a way to use their specific skills as a threat; i.e. there was no “we can’t fight them because they know all our moves” moment, nor a “we must use x person / tactic, because they’ve never seen them before” moment. Could have been a good reason for Red Guardian to be there, as he’s been in prison for 20 years and worked in secret before that. Would also have been a nice moment of hubris for the General, “what, you never thought to show her your previous head operative? Do you think so little of me?!” Etc.

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 Jadenim wrote:

I felt the same about the randomly exploding base, until someone earlier in the thread pointed out that they were literally trying to make a MCU Bond film, and that’s what happens at the end of every Bond film; villain monologue followed by everything exploding. It’s still dumb, but I’m feeling a bit more forgiving now that I get why they did it like that, it was a deliberate stylistic choice.

I think the biggest shame was the under / mis-use of Taskmaster, not so much about screen time, but just that you could have used any heavy henchman and it would have worked out the same. They didn’t find a way to use their specific skills as a threat; i.e. there was no “we can’t fight them because they know all our moves” moment, nor a “we must use x person / tactic, because they’ve never seen them before” moment. Could have been a good reason for Red Guardian to be there, as he’s been in prison for 20 years and worked in secret before that. Would also have been a nice moment of hubris for the General, “what, you never thought to show her your previous head operative? Do you think so little of me?!” Etc.


Agreed, and I was thinking something like that was going to happen...but they showed very little of their fight.Felt like some ended in the cutting floor as the movie was pretty long as it was.

I didn't really get much of a Bond vibe from the movie (though she was watching Moonraker, showing her questionable taste in Bond movies). Natasha didn't go to the casino, or bed anyone. No train scene or skiing scene either.

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The only Bond vibe I got from this movie is when I recognized a Bond girl on screen, despite all the make up.

I'd say Black Widow has some Fast & Furious vibe instead. Family before everything, bad humor, lots of destruction...


 
   
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Backfire wrote:
 Jadenim wrote:

I felt the same about the randomly exploding base, until someone earlier in the thread pointed out that they were literally trying to make a MCU Bond film, and that’s what happens at the end of every Bond film; villain monologue followed by everything exploding. It’s still dumb, but I’m feeling a bit more forgiving now that I get why they did it like that, it was a deliberate stylistic choice.

I think the biggest shame was the under / mis-use of Taskmaster, not so much about screen time, but just that you could have used any heavy henchman and it would have worked out the same. They didn’t find a way to use their specific skills as a threat; i.e. there was no “we can’t fight them because they know all our moves” moment, nor a “we must use x person / tactic, because they’ve never seen them before” moment. Could have been a good reason for Red Guardian to be there, as he’s been in prison for 20 years and worked in secret before that. Would also have been a nice moment of hubris for the General, “what, you never thought to show her your previous head operative? Do you think so little of me?!” Etc.


Agreed, and I was thinking something like that was going to happen...but they showed very little of their fight.Felt like some ended in the cutting floor as the movie was pretty long as it was.

I didn't really get much of a Bond vibe from the movie (though she was watching Moonraker, showing her questionable taste in Bond movies). Natasha didn't go to the casino, or bed anyone. No train scene or skiing scene either.


Moonraker makes absolute sense for Natasha to enjoy. I mean she's a REAL spy so James Bond is going to be COMPLETELY fething REDICULAS to her anyway, thus she proably watches them for the "LOL no thats not how it works" factor more then anything. if thats the case the more absurd the Bond flick the better for her

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Sadly your link is behind a Paywall, so I’ve not been able to read it.

Quick Google threw up DigitalSpy https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a37065092/black-widow-box-office-explained-marvel-mcu/

That article makes some interesting points, that despite its box office (£324,000,000 including its first week on D+) is actually pretty good for the current global situation.

I do wonder if Disney have farted off their nose to spit their arse by putting it on D+ though. I share my account (entirely legally) with 3 other households. Sure the film cost me £20ish, which round my way is pretty much cinema cost. But, I’ve shared that opportunity with 8 other people (across the three other households). So, arguably, and assuming all 8 persons, which includes no less than 4 kids, would’ve paid to see it in the cinema, they’ve done themselves out of £160ish.

Rinse and repeat over…..erm….$60,000,000 D+ purchases….divide by 20 is 3,000,000 accounts? If my sharing is anyway representative? That all adds up quite rapidly to a much smaller box office, with still a decent number of views.

Let’s actually try to fathom that out. So. 3,000,000 households paid the equivalent of my £19.99 outlay to see the film. If like me, that gave 8 other persons the chance to view the film (and not factoring in kids prices solely because I can’t be bothered?), that’s a “missed” take of….erm….£19.99 x 3,00,000 x 8…..is £476,760,000 equivalent of Cinema Tickets sold.

This is of course a well ropey calculation. I’ve no way of knowing what the average share is, or that such a number would directly translate into people happy to cough up independently.

But it’s still fuel for thought all the same. Especially when you consider provided none of the people I share my account with call me a dill weed, I’ll continue sharing it with them, doing Disney out of home media disc type sales.

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I'm not surprised. While most of my friends have said they really enjoyed it, none have given it the kind of praise that would drag people to theaters on word of mouth. It simply cannot help that Loki completely stole the show in terms of MCU buzz for that matter.
   
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I think the Pandemic played a major role in this outcome along with Disney + still being what amounts to an experimental model.

This might cause Disney to shake it up a bit. D+ can buy it 2 weeks after release? Something like that.


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