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Ooof. That's definitely the worst model in the entire Primaris range. It's not unforgivably awful, but it's a huge step down from the last version. The ribbon work, tabbard and pose are just much worse than its predecessor.
   
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Vorian wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
It's a nice model, but the pose is not as good as the old one. The old emperors champion is perfection apart from its scale.

Also the new one is holding his sword wrong, what's up with that? No skilled swordsman would ever hold his weapon that way, ever. It's an easy fix, but still....


He's not holding his sword as if he's fighting, he's raising it in acknowledgement.

The best description I can give is that he's doing a Lion-o


I'm sorry for being nitpicky on this, but even in such a scenario you wouldn't hold a sword that way. A sword handle is not round but oval shaped or has a rectangular cross section so you can always index the edge of the blade just by holding it in your hand. If you were to present the flat of your blade for whatever reason you'd turn your wrist, not just hold it wrong.
It's an easy fix on the model I know so it's not a big deal, but it really bothers me. Especially considering how perfect the pose one the old emperors champion is in comparison.

Also why do modern GW sculptors have such a weird relationship towards knees on their models? I have noticed this before on primaris lieutenants, but here it's also very noticeable: the knees kinda point inwards, making his stance look kind of awkward....why go for such a modeling choice?
   
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Its ok I guess - not wowed but I donlt hate it.

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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
Not a fan of this re-design, really. The post of the original version had a sense of nobility and chivalry to it, holding his sword aloft in a sort of casual yet proud way without showing off. The pose of the new one really has the usual problems of current designs, with it being obnoxiously emotive - the way he's holding the sword in combination with his stance gives it much more of an unreserved brash, boasting sort of feel, while the position of his legs and other arm at the same time make it feel quite busy and unsophisticated. Things can't just be a simple yet evocative pose anymore, everything has to have sort of forced feel' to it.

It's like it's gone from a believable in-universe pose showing a sense of honour for the Emperor's Chamption, to the sort of thing you'd get as a generic tone-deaf PVP video game's wacky obnoxious victory pose where everything needs to dramatically show off.


I agree, the new champion unfortunately is not a humble one.
   
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Gonna need a 360 for a final assessment but the first impression is pretty good. The way he presents the flat of the blade irks me, though. I'll have to fix that.
   
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So, when did GW retcon BT to be part of the imperial faith? (I played them in ages past but haven't paid much attention more recently... not a rhetorical question, was this new?)

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 Ghaz wrote:
grahamdbailey wrote:
I concur with the consensus, I think the previous iterations were better. The chestplate, for example, is too unadorned ; its missing something.

The current Emperor's Champion has nothing on his chestplate as well, just a gold chain around his neck

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Yeah, but it breaks it up a bit.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Or are you talking about the actual original model, which is this:

Whenever I see this model the first thing I hear in my head is "I see you Schwartz is as big as mine!".

I always wanted to get one, swap out the sword for a fishing rod, and have him standing on a dock - possibly using a ripper as bait...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
So, when did GW retcon BT to be part of the imperial faith? (I played them in ages past but haven't paid much attention more recently... not a rhetorical question, was this new?)

BT revered the Emperor as a god already back in 3rd IIRC. If not in codex Armageddon, it was stated in their own codex in 4th edition.

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It feels like he’s not presenting the sword, but the cross of the hilt, like he was warding off vampires.

Might be an interesting conversion to trim it down to just that, and put a different blade in his off-hand. Might make a nice judicar replacement. Rather a cross than an hourglass.

   
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He has the sword turned sideways so the enemy can read it before he smites them. After all: all xeno scum can read high gothic, it's just common humans that cannot read it.

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Also, why does he not have knees? I think that's what makes his legs look so very odd compared to most Primaris.
   
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Nice, I finally got a new model.

 
   
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 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Nice, I finally got a new model.


Previous 130 didn't count for some reason, i assume?

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I dig it.

Prefer the old one (got a metal one in my collection)

But its not bad.

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AngryAngel80 wrote:
I don't know, when I see awesome rules, I'm like " Baby, your rules looking so fine. Maybe I gotta add you to my first strike battalion eh ? "


 Eonfuzz wrote:


I would much rather everyone have a half ass than no ass.


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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Nice, I finally got a new model.


Previous 130 didn't count for some reason, i assume?

2, actually. One of which was limited to a Games Day and both are ~20 years old. Just don't post if you only want to spew some nonesense that you know is wrong?

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I think he meant space marine releases.

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a_typical_hero wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Nice, I finally got a new model.


Previous 130 didn't count for some reason, i assume?

2, actually. One of which was limited to a Games Day and both are ~20 years old. Just don't post if you only want to spew some nonesense that you know is wrong?


Also, look at who you are responding to.

   
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a_typical_hero wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 EmperorsChampion wrote:
Nice, I finally got a new model.


Previous 130 didn't count for some reason, i assume?

2, actually. One of which was limited to a Games Day and both are ~20 years old. Just don't post if you only want to spew some nonesense that you know is wrong?


Because you can't just... paint regular Marines black? For some reason?

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Of course you can, but that doesn't change the fact that the Emperor's Champion only had two official models since 20 years.

Are new Chaos Terminators a substitute for an official Abaddon model just because you could kitbash them to have a sword and a claw?

Is the new Ork boss in megaarmor a substitute for Ghaz?


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a_typical_hero wrote:
Of course you can, but that doesn't change the fact that the Emperor's Champion only had two official models since 20 years.

Are new Chaos Terminators a substitute for an official Abaddon model just because you could kitbash them to have a sword and a claw?

Is the new Ork boss in megaarmor a substitute for Ghaz?



I'd argue all of those are much more important and needed relases than a dude holding a sword for a subfaction of a subfaction of an already bloated faction.

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Not the slam dunk I was hoping for, but still solid. The giant wreath hovering above the helm and the strange and mysterious movement of that ludicrously long loincloth are the main detractors for me.

Very excited to see what else they've cooked up for the BT.

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I finally remembered why i could've sworn i've seen this dude before. Just slap some greenstuff robes on him and ta-da.
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a_typical_hero wrote:
One of which was limited to a Games Day


No it wasn't. It was an Anniversary Limited Edition but released to all stores as both a blister and in the Heroes of the Imperium box.


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So, if even the Emperor's Champion is being Primaris'd, does this put to bed the rumours that the 'first born' marines are going to be upscaled like the CSM and HH?



   
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NightReconnaissance wrote:
So, if even the Emperor's Champion is being Primaris'd, does this put to bed the rumours that the 'first born' marines are going to be upscaled like the CSM and HH?





Castellan Crowe is upscaled. But it might end up being a CSM and Grey Knight thing only.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
a_typical_hero wrote:
Of course you can, but that doesn't change the fact that the Emperor's Champion only had two official models since 20 years.

Are new Chaos Terminators a substitute for an official Abaddon model just because you could kitbash them to have a sword and a claw?

Is the new Ork boss in megaarmor a substitute for Ghaz?



I'd argue all of those are much more important and needed relases than a dude holding a sword for a subfaction of a subfaction of an already bloated faction.


While I get that people are not keen on seeing another space marine character, the emperors champion is as iconic a model as abaddon and ghaz. The original sculpt is legendary and has been around for decades. It's not fair to compare it to space marine lieutenant nr. 24 or newcomers like tor garadon.
   
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 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
NightReconnaissance wrote:
So, if even the Emperor's Champion is being Primaris'd, does this put to bed the rumours that the 'first born' marines are going to be upscaled like the CSM and HH?





Castellan Crowe is upscaled. But it might end up being a CSM and Grey Knight thing only.


It could signal that GW made a change in creative direction, originally planning to squat the 'first born' but have changed their mind and there are still lots of models in the pipeline like this one from before that happened. That GW decided to remove all the variety and creativity of the old marines and their various marks of armour for the monotony of the Primaris was a very poor decision. (They came up with a silly justification for the Primaris, they couldn't come up with a silly explanation for why they'd have some variety in their armour?) And that's before we get into how poor the non-Intercessors look compared to their original rough equivalents (With the exception of the scouts) or how stupid it is that the CSM are now shorter than mainline marines.

They'll retcon or ignore everything else but the Primaris fluff is a hill they'll die on, everything must be made to be compliant with it even to the detriment of their products and hobby.

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Oh wow! So Cool! More Space Marines. Screw those stupid Eldar and Tyranid factions. Bring me more power armor! YAY! GW BEST A#1 Marines BEST! YAY! s/

The model looks fine. But, meh. More marines....
   
 
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