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 endtransmission wrote:
In an interview recently they also said that if this goes well, the next one would be ECW... which wouldn't require many sprue at all to make


OK, now that is one that will most definitely be of interest to me.

I was tempted by Epic Napoleonics, but decided to go for Perry Miniatures Travel Battle instead. Smaller scale, but it has everything I need in one box. Of the rules aren't great, I can just adapt them as needed.

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 Huron black heart wrote:
I'll be going to Salute tomorrow and seeing as Warlord will be there I'm going to have a close look at this, very tempted. I've never played one of these small scale historicals before so it could well lure me in.


I'm sure you won't be the only one to ask, but would ask them if they're intent on releasing more french units and/or battles in the period, please ?

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Image from the Facebook group.

The new Wargames Illustrated does mention that more unique units which people won’t need a lot of will most likely be in metal which is understandable.
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They couldn't bother to do 2 different plastic sprues for the ACW line, but they'll do dozens of them for this single campaign? Two different sprues for ACW, each with a plausible uniform for one of the sides, would have gone a long way toward making that whole thing much more appealing.
   
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As it's been pointed out, they're an English company.
That or the ACW set was purely a test product to see if it's worth investing more into the line at all.
   
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Cronch wrote:
As it's been pointed out, they're an English company. .


Thats the Problem. Next Theme will be ECW, TYW would sell much better.
   
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Cronch wrote:
As it's been pointed out, they're an English company.
That or the ACW set was purely a test product to see if it's worth investing more into the line at all.


I have seen mention in interviews that ACW was a trial run to test the waters so it had the very limited plastic support. I would expect to see more plastics in future ranges (ECW likely to be limited again though due to limited range of troops taking part).
   
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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
They couldn't bother to do 2 different plastic sprues for the ACW line, but they'll do dozens of them for this single campaign? Two different sprues for ACW, each with a plausible uniform for one of the sides, would have gone a long way toward making that whole thing much more appealing.

Bigger audience I suppose. ACW's one of the more popular periods, but Waterloo alone probably still trumps it in terms of sales.

RazorEdge wrote:
Cronch wrote:
As it's been pointed out, they're an English company. .


Thats the Problem. Next Theme will be ECW, TYW would sell much better.

I know it's all but confirmed, but ECW did surprise me. It's not the most popular period. I'd have expected AWoIndependance next, or maybe the War of 1812.

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 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I do wish they'd done almost any other Napoleonic campaign but Waterloo, to be honest. But I suspect I'm in the minority there, and they're just doing what will sell.


Agreed. It makes sense with Warlord being a British company and Waterloo being so iconic. But it'd be cool to see Napoleon in his best form taking on Austria and Russia at Austerlitz, or the slugfest that was Borodino.
   
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 Warptide wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
I do wish they'd done almost any other Napoleonic campaign but Waterloo, to be honest. But I suspect I'm in the minority there, and they're just doing what will sell.


Agreed. It makes sense with Warlord being a British company and Waterloo being so iconic. But it'd be cool to see Napoleon in his best form taking on Austria and Russia at Austerlitz, or the slugfest that was Borodino.


I'd definitely be interested if in the Russians if there was a Borodino set.

But I feel somewhat burned by the ACW thing, and the fact that the subsequent releases for that war weren't plastic. Plus, my primary Napoleonics opponent is no longer around. So even if there is a Russian Napoleonics release, I'll likely still take a wait and see attitude toward it.
   
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I'm pretty tempted by this (even if just for solo play), but the thought of all that painting, especially with my current backlog......ugh. Probably the biggest obstacle for me.
   
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Well I checked this out at Salute, Paul Sawyer wasn't particularly engaging when I tried to ask him about this, he actually said he didn't have a lot to do with it!
Models are very nice, (free sprue on Wargames illustrated magazine) small enough for the big battle feel but with enough detail you can do a nice paint job if you want to.
Looking at the price however I can't see too much enticing me towards the all in set (500 quid) I may even wait to see if I can order this from independent retailers for a hopefully 20% discount. I have decided will buy into it one way or the other though.

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Black Powder is a fun game. But if you're used to either very competitive games where you build killer lists, or games with lots of gamey stuff, like spending points on tactics to give you buffs and stuff like that, it will be very different. If you like more narrative games, and are interested in the historical period, it's very fun. Similar in mechanics to Warmaster, where a lot of the focus is on command and control and dealing with not always being able to do everything you want with all your units. Much smaller numbers of dice are rolled than in a typical warhammer game, so dramatic things can happen.


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with jeopardy of fog of war, instead of the warhammer your turn my turn mechanic


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Aeneades wrote:
Image from the Facebook group.

The new Wargames Illustrated does mention that more unique units which people won’t need a lot of will most likely be in metal which is understandable.


if its all plastics, its make the mould & knock out the sprues.

i just hope its continued support by WG after the 1st wave of expansions

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I probably would buy a Borodino themed set. Though obviously Black Powder isn't really meant for battles of that size, you could represent part of the battle or many actions during the campaign.
   
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RazorEdge wrote:
Thats the Problem. Next Theme will be ECW, TYW would sell much better.

... They will be Thirty Years War. Late period, perhaps, but still. They will have Pike, Shot, Horse and guns. I have a 1/72 ECW army made entirely of the redoubtable Revell kits, it is doable.
Fewer of the 'unique' troops in an unusual scale? Yes, and that is probably exactly why it is the comparative backwater of the Three Kingdoms rather than the full-fat TYW, quite besides the "home-town" factor.
   
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I bought big into their ACW. Will skip this but ECW very much interests me.

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Has ECW been discussed or hinted at somewhere? It's probably the only period that I'd be interested using this scale with.

   
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 infinite_array wrote:
Has ECW been discussed or hinted at somewhere? It's probably the only period that I'd be interested using this scale with.


I've seen it discussed as "next," and it seems like the most obvious choice for this, since so many units can be faction neutral.

I've resisted this so far, but my love for pikemen might break me if they do ECW.

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Wars of the Sun King would be nice but not "Hail Britannia, Britannia rules the world" egocentric enough for Warlord Games....
   
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They seem to like 10 stands of infantry, 1 gun, and 1 mounted commander per spruse, so I wonder how that would work for ECW...

6 pike stands (one of which is the command minis) and 4 shotte stands?

And probably a light gun.

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RazorEdge wrote:
Wars of the Sun King would be nice but not "Hail Britannia, Britannia rules the world" egocentric enough for Warlord Games....
A War of the Spanish Succession Starter set based on the Battle of Blenheim where the English commanded by John Churchill, First Duke of Marleborough {Ancestor of Winston Churchill} defeat the French under Marshal Tallard. So England beating the French again should be "Hail Britannia, Britannia rules the world" egocentric enough.

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Wars of the Sun King would be nice but not "Hail Britannia, Britannia rules the world" egocentric enough for Warlord Games....
A War of the Spanish Succession Starter set based on the Battle of Blenheim where the English commanded by John Churchill, First Duke of Marleborough {Ancestor of Winston Churchill} defeat the French under Marshal Tallard. So England beating the French again should be "Hail Britannia, Britannia rules the world" egocentric enough.


Too few Pikes...
   
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Further preview of the next wave.
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alphaecho wrote:
 Albino Squirrel wrote:
This makes their decision to put rifles in strips on the infantry sprue even more baffling. You were going to end up with may more than you'd ever need already. Now you're going to replace the strip ones with these anyway. Really reduces the value of that infantry box since it makes you buy a bunch of stuff you aren't going to use.



It baffled me when I mentioned it on the first page of this discussion but, even though they were Light Infantry and are famous for skirmishing, the 60th and 95th Rifles were just as capable as forming line with regular battalions.

Maybe the 95th were included in Line formation because Warlord is a British Company and, thanks to Bernard Cornwell and Sean Bean, us Brits love a Greenjacket.


I'm going to guess that the riflemen are in line formation ... because they fought in line for most of the day.

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this it the strange thing about this lineup, some units like the 95th in formation, are mostly exclusive to Waterloo, while others are not meant to be there at all

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I saw these at Salute, decent sculpts.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
So. Turnip12 anyone?


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 kodos wrote:
this it the strange thing about this lineup, some units like the 95th in formation, are mostly exclusive to Waterloo, while others are not meant to be there at all


Seems like they just called it "Waterloo" for the branding. The only reason why I can think they didn't just call it Epic Battles: Napoleonics is because GMT's Command & Colours: EPIC Napoleonic is already a thing, maybe it'd be tough to try and get the rights to that, or dispute it?

The inclusion of the 95th does seem like they've shot themselves in the foot. It would have been smarter just to have a resin 95th box with a couple units in line and a couple units skirmishing, then you'd guarantee everyone would buy a box of that. Maybe if you're not a button-counter you could just paint the 95th units as regular light infantry? But even then, dedicated light infantry regiments weren't fielded in a 1:3 ratio.

At least the voltigeurs in the French box come in skirmishing formation.

   
 
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