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Or CSM will use those and GW says working as intended. People want bespoke, people shall be given bespoke.

PenitentJake wrote:
They could make up for this by having a blanket rule allowing allies from godsworn codices.

If I end up needing five effing codexes to play my Black Legion army, then let me just say right now I will not be paying GW any money for them...

If marks are properly implemented you wouldn't necessarily need Kult entries. Yes, your mark of Nurgle CSM won't be Plague Marines exactly, but they're more robust CSM, you can use your Plague Marine models to represent them, but you're not DG so they're not exactly the same.

I'm all for purity bonuses based on god alignment between Chaos Codizes, though. Using Nurgle Daemons makes my DG less virulent...

 Duskweaver wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
They could make up for this by having a blanket rule allowing allies from godsworn codices.

If I end up needing five effing codexes to play my Black Legion army, then let me just say right now I will not be paying GW any money for them...

You'll be stopping using part of the army, then?

I wouldn't entirely mind seeing the cult marine entries pulled from CSM proper, or otherwise have the CSM codex versions of those units be different from the ones found in the respective chaos legion codecies. I'd rather the cult marines remained unique to their respective armies, and instead GW expanded on the concept of marked units for regular CSM (i.e. marks do something other than just giving you +1 to a specific stat). Otherwise the Black Legions shtick should be to allow allies from Death Guard/Thousand Sons/World Eaters/Emperors Children without breaking whatever doctrines, etc. that are bestowed on Black Legion, rather than fully duplicating units from other codecies. I would assume the Rubric Marines of a renegade warband of Thousand Sons at the service of the black legion would not be as capable as those at the service of the Thousand Sons senior-most leadership within Ahriman/Magnus inner circles. Likewise, I would assume that the Plague Marines of the Death Guard and those who have sworn fealty to Mortarion to achieve that honor would be more virulent and have access to more specific esoteric weaponry than those created by the blight mages of the Black Legion. SImilarly, I would expect Emperors Children Noise Marines to be better equipped than the Noise Marines from other legions, given that the EC's Noise Marines equipment was originally designed by Bequa Kynska used by the units of the Kakaphoni, whereas I wouldn't expect Noise Marines from elsewhere to have access to equipment of the same quality or even the ability to "play" them to the same capability. The World Eaters/Khornate Berserkers fluff outright states that the Khorne Berserkers produced by the Black Legion are second to those produced by the Apothecarion of the World Eaters, as only the World Eaters Berserkers are implanted with the Butcher's Nails, whereas the Berserkers of other legions and warbands are produced through bastardized lobotomization and psycho-surgical procedures.

 Marshal Loss wrote:


In wishlisting territory, I'd like an updated Defiler to match the last decade or so of daemon engines. It's such an iconic unit for CSM and GW can do so much better than the old model. Make it happen, GW.

Agreed. I want to add a few Defilers to my existing collection, they are amongst my favorite sculpts in the game, but I'm reluctant to do so because I know that a resculpt of the unit could potentially blow the existing sculpt out of the water.

Simplycasualgaming wrote:

I believe all Primaris need are a drop pod, an aircraft and an indirect fire vehicle to be able to squat the firstborn and have everything the first born have. You could also argue that they need a missle and lascannon unit to have devastates replaced seeing as there is a plasma and melts unit.

I would argue they need a true Terminator replacement unit too, alongside a land raider esque heavy transport.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Also, since the codex is getting redone, who is to say that rubrics and plague marines will continue to be in it? They could cut out all four, in addition to the characters.

Except many forces of Chaos that aren't the 4 mono-god Legions use Cult Troops. Removing them completely would be removing part of what makes Chaos Chaos.

Of course we said the same thing about Daemons, and they did that anyway...

If you look at the trends in both 40k and Sigmar over the last ten years or so they've been giving more and more content to the god-specific forces, and doing the undivided/mixed stuff as an afterthought. Even as far back as the 4e CSM book Marks were straight buffs and the only mechanical reason not to have one was to save points.


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chaos0xomega wrote:

Simplycasualgaming wrote:

I believe all Primaris need are a drop pod, an aircraft and an indirect fire vehicle to be able to squat the firstborn and have everything the first born have. You could also argue that they need a missle and lascannon unit to have devastates replaced seeing as there is a plasma and melts unit.

I would argue they need a true Terminator replacement unit too, alongside a land raider esque heavy transport.

Aggressors are already Primaris Terminators, and Repulsors are already Primaris LRs. The only thing Primaris are missing there is 2+ saves on the statline for their Terminators/Land Raiders, they have things that are the same size/shape and fill the same game function already.

 Duskweaver wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
They could make up for this by having a blanket rule allowing allies from godsworn codices.

If I end up needing five effing codexes to play my Black Legion army, then let me just say right now I will not be paying GW any money for them...

Just out of curiousity, what's in your BL army?

 Duskweaver wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
They could make up for this by having a blanket rule allowing allies from godsworn codices.

If I end up needing five effing codexes to play my Black Legion army, then let me just say right now I will not be paying GW any money for them...

What if it’s 3 codices and 2 supplements?

Not sure why the Cult troops wouldn't be in a standard CSM army considering they're essentially an alternate Chosen option like Vanguard/Sternguard are.
Each is just a veteran CSM bloated with the gifts of their patron God (with Rubrics it's more likely a case of defection from the Tsons). What makes the Cult Codexes special is the ability to take these Elite units as the core of your army, rather than as a limited side option.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

PenitentJake wrote:
Also, since the codex is getting redone, who is to say that rubrics and plague marines will continue to be in it? They could cut out all four, in addition to the characters.

Except many forces of Chaos that aren't the 4 mono-god Legions use Cult Troops. Removing them completely would be removing part of what makes Chaos Chaos.

Of course we said the same thing about Daemons, and they did that anyway...

If you look at the trends in both 40k and Sigmar over the last ten years or so they've been giving more and more content to the god-specific forces, and doing the undivided/mixed stuff as an afterthought. Even as far back as the 4e CSM book Marks were straight buffs and the only mechanical reason not to have one was to save points.

The short lived Traitor Legions supplement changed that a bit, as it didn't allow Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion, or Night Lords to take Marks or Marked units (so no Cult Marines). Word Bearers could Mark their units, but couldn't take anything that already had a Mark (so again, no Cult Marines). It was an almost complete return to 3.5, where everyone except the four mono-god Legions and the Black Legion could only take the Mark of Chaos Undivided. But even if they returned to that paradigm in the 9th edition codex, there would still need to be Cult Marines in it, for Black Legion and Renegades.

Totally just saw a meme that said “Man waking up from 25 year coma really pumped that his Eldar minis are still current”

ha I nearly spit my drink over the monitor reading that.

Im pretty cynical - we will probably get one new Eldar mini in plastic that is nearly identical to an existing ancient one with no new rules associated and it will only be available in a box set coupled with four falcons and some miscast sorry finecast dusty aspect warriors GW is trying unload. Oh and the box set will be $300.

I kid but wow its hard to be optimistic

At least the new one would be plastic.....FWIW.

I feel like the Eldar updates will all be in a combat patrol box. Like how you can really only get the new boyz out of that box. Or the Battleforce for xmas.


Personally all I -really- want for my Ulthwe is more Warwalkers and Wraith constructs.

 Shadowbrand wrote:
I feel like the Eldar updates will all be in a combat patrol box. Like how you can really only get the new boyz out of that box. Or the Battleforce for xmas.

There's that other shoe. There's the wish we weren't careful about. Yeah. I didn't think of that outcome. It could explain the new Jetbikes thing as well.

Post Wed, 24/Nov/2021 04:40:56 Subject: Re:Rumored eldar and CSM

Shadowbrand wrote:
I feel like the Eldar updates will all be in a combat patrol box. Like how you can really only get the new boyz out of that box. Or the Battleforce for xmas.

There's that other shoe. There's the wish we weren't careful about. Yeah. I didn't think of that outcome. It could explain the new Jetbikes thing as well.

Yeah, I well and truly think knowing GW. There will be a bit of a price wall. That being said, with where i'm at with my hobby. I really don't mind if the majority of my models can buy a drink with me at the bar.

 AnomanderRake wrote:


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chaos0xomega wrote:

Simplycasualgaming wrote:

I believe all Primaris need are a drop pod, an aircraft and an indirect fire vehicle to be able to squat the firstborn and have everything the first born have. You could also argue that they need a missle and lascannon unit to have devastates replaced seeing as there is a plasma and melts unit.

I would argue they need a true Terminator replacement unit too, alongside a land raider esque heavy transport.

Aggressors are already Primaris Terminators, and Repulsors are already Primaris LRs. The only thing Primaris are missing there is 2+ saves on the statline for their Terminators/Land Raiders, they have things that are the same size/shape and fill the same game function already.

I used the word "true" as a descriptor for a reason. IMO, the lack of 2+ saves on the Aggressors and Repulsors prevent them from being true Primaris "heavy" units that are an actual replacement for Termies/LRs.