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So why do you think the nazis imprisoned and murdered social democrats but not for example the owners of Siemens? Is sympathy for big businesses usually a sign of radical socialist ideology?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.

The Nazis, the far-right monarchists, the reactionary German National People's Party (DNVP) and others, such as monarchist officers in the German Army and several prominent industrialists, formed an alliance in opposition to the Weimar Republic on 11 October 1931 in Bad Harzburg, officially known as the "National Front", but commonly referred to as the Harzburg Front.

Formosa, your view is wholly ahistorical and you seem to cite one source in opposition to the majority of published scholarship. One of two possibilities exists here. Either the experts are wrong or you are.

The Nazis imprisoned thousands of people for 'illegal socialist activities' and allied with conservative and ultra nationalist political blocs to gain power, and outlawed the communist and social democrat parties but not the conservative parties at that time. They also suppressed trade unions and worked closely with industrialists. Very strange behaviour for a socialist. I suspect you know this and are arguing with intent to muddy the waters, but hopefully with these facts presented you will now change your erronous and frankly offensive view that the Nazi party under hitler was socialist.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position_within_the_political_spectrum

The majority of scholars identify Nazism in both theory and practice as a form of far-right politics.

The Nazis, the far-right monarchists, the reactionary German National People's Party (DNVP) and others, such as monarchist officers in the German Army and several prominent industrialists, formed an alliance in opposition to the Weimar Republic on 11 October 1931 in Bad Harzburg, officially known as the "National Front", but commonly referred to as the Harzburg Front.

Formosa, your view is wholly ahistorical and you seem to cite one source in opposition to the majority of published scholarship. One of two possibilities exists here. Either the experts are wrong or you are.

Outside of your two quoted sentences, that Wikipedia page presents a far less simplistic situation than right/left with regards to the Nazis.

I mean, anyone can just lift a sentence:
'Large segments of the Nazi Party, particularly among the members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), were committed to the party's official socialist, revolutionary and anti-capitalist positions and expected both a social and an economic revolution when the party gained power in 1933'

Boy did this go straight to plaid.

I'm locking this thread for review. If someone wants to make a new thread with some direct feedback points (e.g. "locking threads only encourages disruption", "rules aren't enforced often enough", etc), and can do so in a clear and concise manner without going to derpsville, have at it, I'll check in periodically to police things. Keep it on topic and we'll hear you out on whatever you have to say, but leave the commentary and history lessons out or people will be getting time-outs.

To address a few of the points raised here:

First off, Dakka's official position is that Nazis are bad, and not welcome.

Based on that position we can, and have, suspended accounts where we felt there was sufficient evidence to warrant it. What we will not do is suspend someone's account just because they disagreed with you and you feel this means they are obviously a Nazi.


Since there seems to be still some confusion over political discussion - The specific ban on political and religious discussion applies to the Off Topic section of the site. In other words, it applies to political and religious discussion that is nothing to do with the wargaming hobby. Wargaming-related discussion that has a political nature, such as the recent Spanish tournament situation, is on-topic because it relates specifically to wargaming. These sorts of topics are generally allowed so long as they stay on track, although we will from time to time shut down specific topics if they prove to cause too much friction. There is not, and has never been, a complete ban on wargaming-related political discussion.

As always, we welcome reports where you feel a given topic or someone's behaviour in a thread is questionable. And also as always, reporting that behaviour is the appropriate way of dealing with it, rather than dragging threads off topic by starting fights over your perception of that person. The snapshot of a person that you see in an online discussion is rarely representative of that person's entire character.

While we will stomp on the expression of hateful ideologies, posters on Dakka come from a huge range of different backgrounds, views and experiences, and that's always been one of this site's main strengths. To steal a line someone said recently - Wargaming is for everyone.