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Betting that the extra option(s) is a helmet?

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Betting that the extra option(s) is a helmet?

I'd guess at least 1 helmet, a bolt rifle with the bits to make all 3 variants, and a chain sword and or power fist.

Power sword is the only option for the Ancient.
Lol.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/27/get-your-new-space-marines-heroes-onto-the-tabletop-with-these-free-datasheets-from-vigilus-alone/

Well, it is rather reasonable of them to make the datasheet available for free.

Also, the gravis fighting styles are a nice addition and makes the second melee weapon to seem far less superfluous. (Someone mathammer the options, please.)

But still no sign of normal Primaris Captain datasheet update that would them let use the power sword and plasma pistol combo, that the magazine exclusive model has...


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Oh, the gravis captain's power swords is no longer master-crafted! That's unfortunate.

 Crimson wrote:

Oh, the gravis captain's power swords is no longer master-crafted! That's unfortunate.

That's an odd choice. I was thinking he looked like an interesting option until you pointed that out.

The Black Adder wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Oh, the gravis captain's power swords is no longer master-crafted! That's unfortunate.

That's an odd choice. I was thinking he looked like an interesting option until you pointed that out.

Honestly there wasn't a lot of times you'd want to swing with the MC Power Sword compared to the Power Fist. I'd rather have the two extra swings even with D1

I'm willing to bet that they'll FAQ it to work with the original setup of a MC powersword.

They could have simply increased his base attacks by one but why do that when we can have yet more rules for single models.

EviscerationPlague wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Oh, the gravis captain's power swords is no longer master-crafted! That's unfortunate.

That's an odd choice. I was thinking he looked like an interesting option until you pointed that out.

Honestly there wasn't a lot of times you'd want to swing with the MC Power Sword compared to the Power Fist. I'd rather have the two extra swings even with D1

Well a MC power sword doesn't have -1 to hit, that's really useful. Also I imagined that if he had a MC power sword he'd also have a MC power fist. It just seems odd, that the chapter armoury is picking on this one captain and refusing to give him the good stuff.

Veldrain wrote:
They could have simply increased his base attacks by one but why do that when we can have yet more rules for single models.

Because, genius, then A.) various captain statlines wouldn't be consistent, and more importantly B.) people would just use all attacks with the most expensive weapon instead of increasing anti-chaff one making model too killy plus C.) the extra attacks would work on relics creating yet more broken wombo combos.

I like how GW finally tries to balance options making relics less of a no-brainer and give primaris access to melee (badly, but it's better than nothing) yet people whine about the actually good changes with no effort of actually thinking just why these were made

The Black Adder wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

The Black Adder wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

Oh, the gravis captain's power swords is no longer master-crafted! That's unfortunate.

That's an odd choice. I was thinking he looked like an interesting option until you pointed that out.

Honestly there wasn't a lot of times you'd want to swing with the MC Power Sword compared to the Power Fist. I'd rather have the two extra swings even with D1

Well a MC power sword doesn't have -1 to hit, that's really useful. Also I imagined that if he had a MC power sword he'd also have a MC power fist. It just seems odd, that the chapter armoury is picking on this one captain and refusing to give him the good stuff.

Keep in mind there still wasn't a lot of reason to use it mathematically unless it was a SUPER light target. Then we have 9th with the silly mod cap, so that Gauntlet won't ever get less accurate.

Haven't had the inclination to buy a single primaris unit, but if they released terminators for them, I'd sell a kidney to get some. I know there is Gravis armour, it doesn't look bad, but TDA is where its at for me, always loved it. Best fething super heavy armour ever designed in SF

The new Standard Bearer comes with two banners, and nearly enough arms to allow you to build 2 to make use of all the bits, so long as you have a spare Marine body laying about, but they stop you doing that easily by putting part of left arm onto the chest piece.

So you have two comlete right arms, and 2 half complete left arms to cater to each build. Design wise it doesnt appear like it would make a difference on their end if they had put out a clean chest piece and complete left arms for each build option - that would have been the modeller friendly option. Their way, you need to carve up a second left arm to make the piece you'd need - seems bloody petty.

They don't want you to make two standard bearers from one kit. They want you to buy two kits.

I haven't seen the piece in question, but would making a mold from green stuff be an option?

Seems possible, but cutting up a spare arm is likely an easier solution. It's not as if Primaris kits come with any shortage of them.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
The new Standard Bearer comes with two banners, and nearly enough arms to allow you to build 2 to make use of all the bits, so long as you have a spare Marine body laying about, but they stop you doing that easily by putting part of left arm onto the chest piece.

Yeah, I don't get this. Why is GW marketing so stupid? The alt banner pose is vastly better than the gak they shown, hiding it to the point my friend who looked at buying the model had no idea it exists (I had to tell him to scroll photos to the end) is dumb. Especially seeing the picture they use to promote it has ugly bald head and boring, standard pose you can easily make from dozen other banner kits while second pose is unique and cool.

Ditto with gravis captain, he has three heads (including masked way better than ugly bald head they used in photos) yet the only way to see it exists is to look at the sprues, GW had to pick worst looking bits again

 Dysartes wrote:
I haven't seen the piece in question, but would making a mold from green stuff be an option?

Easily, seeing the arm would be mostly hidden under pad/banner. But according to usual complainers, GW will shoot you if you do that or something. Somehow conversions are verboten these days

 Irbis wrote:

Yeah, I don't get this. Why is GW marketing so stupid? The alt banner pose is vastly better than the gak they shown, hiding it to the point my friend who looked at buying the model had no idea it exists (I had to tell him to scroll photos to the end) is dumb. Especially seeing the picture they use to promote it has ugly bald head and boring, standard pose you can easily make from dozen other banner kits while second pose is unique and cool.

To prove your point: what alt pose pic, where? I can't find it...

 Crimson wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

Yeah, I don't get this. Why is GW marketing so stupid? The alt banner pose is vastly better than the gak they shown, hiding it to the point my friend who looked at buying the model had no idea it exists (I had to tell him to scroll photos to the end) is dumb. Especially seeing the picture they use to promote it has ugly bald head and boring, standard pose you can easily make from dozen other banner kits while second pose is unique and cool.

To prove your point: what alt pose pic, where? I can't find it...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/space-marines-primaris-ancient-2022

There is a 360 for each build. Bald with sword, which I agree is the lesser of the two. Helmet on, slung bolter, two hands holding the banner is much better IMHO. Not that I need another guy.

Thank you!

Well dang, that's the first time i'm seeing the alternate pose on that one, GW really didn't like it, huh? But aye, it is quite better than the "stock" one, i say.

Can't you give the helmet to either pose?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can't you give the helmet to either pose?

Aye, it's just on a regular Marine-type ball-joint.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Can't you give the helmet to either pose?

No. If you glue the wrong head on the plastic explodes.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well dang, that's the first time i'm seeing the alternate pose on that one, GW really didn't like it, huh? But aye, it is quite better than the "stock" one, i say.

By pushing the sword, they have better luck selling him to those of us who have the original one from the 8th starter. Got to have all the wargear options you know…

Looking at the sprue pictures, nice to see that while some of the banner detail is present on the sculpt of the banners, nothing there seems too Chapter-specific.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well dang, that's the first time i'm seeing the alternate pose on that one, GW really didn't like it, huh? But aye, it is quite better than the "stock" one, i say.

By pushing the sword, they have better luck selling him to those of us who have the original one from the 8th starter. Got to have all the wargear options you know…

I know it's oftentimes pointless to ask "but why" when it comes to GW, but why would they hide the alternate pose? There's no benefit to it. The sword option is there for those who want it and in the unlikely event that someone were to be upset that there is a totally optional different build in the kit and not buy the model because of it, they might just find out about it in spite of GW's genius marketing.

No, really, they could have just led with the sword pose as they did when they previewed the model, but also added a picture of the alternate pose with some praise for how awesome the kit is for having options.

I had no interest in the model at all. Now I do. Turns out, that's all because of Dakka because I didn't even bother to check the store page before reading of an alternate pose here. That's plainly GW marketing not doing its job.

 Geifer wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Well dang, that's the first time i'm seeing the alternate pose on that one, GW really didn't like it, huh? But aye, it is quite better than the "stock" one, i say.

By pushing the sword, they have better luck selling him to those of us who have the original one from the 8th starter. Got to have all the wargear options you know…

I know it's oftentimes pointless to ask "but why" when it comes to GW, but why would they hide the alternate pose? There's no benefit to it. The sword option is there for those who want it and in the unlikely event that someone were to be upset that there is a totally optional different build in the kit and not buy the model because of it, they might just find out about it in spite of GW's genius marketing.

No, really, they could have just led with the sword pose as they did when they previewed the model, but also added a picture of the alternate pose with some praise for how awesome the kit is for having options.

I had no interest in the model at all. Now I do. Turns out, that's all because of Dakka because I didn't even bother to check the store page before reading of an alternate pose here. That's plainly GW marketing not doing its job.

I was trying to think of reasons why they would hide it, and can’t think of any good ones. The one vaguely reasonable excuse I could think of was lack of bandwidth. They have a lot of releases going on right now, so mabey they didn’t have space/time to go into more details on him? But the guy got his own article. There is always incompetence. I suspect the community team were just given the one pic and told to talk him up. It’s not a bad assumption for them that one pose is all they get, so why go digging to see if that’s all there is? At some point the ball was dropped and the correct information didn’t get to the people who needed to have it.

The more I think about it, the more I kinda want this guy now, because of that alt pose. The angle he’s holding the banner gives a sense of movement lacking in most ancients. Even with half the arm on the torso, I think a swap to a running assault intercessor body would be cool and not hard. Charging across the battlefield to the enemy side, colours leading the charge!

 Nevelon wrote:


I know it's oftentimes pointless to ask "but why" when it comes to GW, but why would they hide the alternate pose? There's no benefit to it.

The most likely explanation I can think of is that they didn't think it was worth getting the studio team to paint another copy of the model. Does anyone know if they sent out review samples of these characters to the usual community sites?

 xttz wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


I know it's oftentimes pointless to ask "but why" when it comes to GW, but why would they hide the alternate pose? There's no benefit to it.

The most likely explanation I can think of is that they didn't think it was worth getting the studio team to paint another copy of the model. Does anyone know if they sent out review samples of these characters to the usual community sites?

There is a painted copy on their web page, so they did do one eventually. Could they have painted the main pose first, but didn’t get to the second build until after the article went up? No clue how the timeline on painting goes over there.

It’s not like we are seeing the options only by piecing together bits from sprue pics. He’s standing right there on the webpage.

No clue on the second part, I generally don’t actively follow the review sites.