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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 xttz wrote:
I suppose you can always see a pattern if you ignore any evidence to the contrary?
Oh for crying out loud...

Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and pretend that this weapon limiting via sprue isn't a thing?

It's been happening in just about every Codex this edition, starting with Marines and the wacky Primaris Captain options. It happened to Plague Marines and Terminators. It happened to Skitarii. It happened to Wyches. It happened with Burna Boyz and Lootaz. With Ork Kommandos. It happened to Sword Brethren. Hell it was happening even before that, what with the old Brood Brother entry.

Some escaped this (like the Sisters), and some don't have enough options in the first place for it to become an issue (Custodes), but please don't try and pretend like this isn't actually happening.


Well done for quoting me, snipping off the part of my post where I said it might or might not happen, then concocting some kind of fictitious argument instead. Genuine class act there.

Instead of reeling off an equally long list of datasheets demonstrating how unpredictable this is, I'm just going to go Google that quote about playing chess with pigeons.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
We haven’t seen the sprues, and there's no reason to think that the Chosen in the CSM vs Eldar box are the ones that will get a separate release.
Ok dude. That's reaching. That's really reaching. Everything else in that box is coming out... except the Chosen. They're a special one-off?


It's possible. Again, like the Shadow Spear CSM. Look, they changed the Chosen entry in C: CSM "2". Isn't the "H.B.M.C. standard" for how gw writes rules: Model designers make new models - rules writers see new models - rules writers write new rules based on models? Which do you think is more likely for the reason they changed their options? That? Or because they wanted to improve a unit even though they didn't have new models to sell?
   
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 xttz wrote:
Well done for quoting me, snipping off the part of my post where I said it might or might not happen, then concocting some kind of fictitious argument instead. Genuine class act there.

Instead of reeling off an equally long list of datasheets demonstrating how unpredictable this is, I'm just going to go Google that quote about playing chess with pigeons.
So all you've got is insults. Cool.

And it doesn't matter whether your post was 10 words or 100 words, you'd still be wrong. This is something GW has been doing all edition. The only inconsistent thing about it is that occasionally an army escapes this nonsense rules methodology. I'm not 'pretending' anything. The only person pretending are people like you who are acting like this isn't really a thing.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Isn't the "H.B.M.C. standard" for how gw writes rules
Ain't got nuthin' to do with me, pal.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Isn't the "H.B.M.C. standard" for how gw writes rules
Ain't got nuthin' to do with me, pal.



Right. Models, then fluff, then rules. Straight from one of the rules writers. And you don't think it's possible that they changed the options for Chosen to match these new models? Or do you think it's more likely that they changed the rules for a unit that didn't even have models for them to sell, just "because"?
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The only inconsistent thing about it is that occasionally an army escapes this nonsense rules methodology.

Right. Which is the point. It is seemingly random whether they do it or not, so we can't know beforehand.

   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Voss wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Even if it's only 1 Thunderhammer for every 5 models?
What do you mean "if"? The Chosen entry will look like this, just with a few more "one in every five" options for the 3 combi-weapons and whatever else the sprue has.

The real question now is whether Chaos Terminators will suffer the same fate, given how limited and option-starved their sprue is.

Sooo.....you've actually seen the new rules for Chosen? Or are you just hoping this travesty is committed upon them so you can keep complaining about it? If it's neither, then please stop trying to call it into existence.

Reality doesn't work that way.
If there's evidence they've changed the paradigm again to move away from the equipment jigsaw, that would be one thing.
But given that it keeps happening and the chosen we've seen are _really monopose, there isn't any reason to expect anything else.

Sure there is. Didn't you think it was odd that Chosen were the only unit that got a rules update in C: CSM "2" that didn't get new models? It could be possible that the reason they changed their options was because they already had the models, but have held off their release until now for some reason. We haven’t seen the sprues, and there's no reason to think that the Chosen in the CSM vs Eldar box are the ones that will get a separate release. These could be just for the box, with a different set with other options coming for the separate release, same as the new CSM kit. I think some of the loyalist models were similar. Didn't the Indomitus Eradicators lack multi-meltas? It's entirely possible that the rules for Chosen in C: CSM "2" were based on the new models.

Nope. I think literally none of that. I definitely don't think the upcoming chosen were a secret release for the Chaos Compilation Codex of Nothing-to-See-Here, but were not released for unspoken reasons that somehow involve Indomitus Eradicators not having... multimeltas. And the already secretly delayed but previewed Chosen aren't the real Chosen? I can't even vaguely follow whatever train of thought you're on.

Jigsaw weapon rules? There's plenty of reason to think that.

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There's absolutely nothing to suggest that we're getting two sets of Chosen. The set in Eldritch Omens will be monopose but multipart with a couple of variants/options for each build, exactly the same as Chaos Marines/Terminators/Havocs, and will be released individually later on. The weapon options will probably be Sword Brethren-esque, though I would point out that rumours at this stage claim Havocs have unrestricted options on their datasheet and so it's not inconceivable that Chosen will have limited options in the box but unlimited on their datasheet.

This is GW we're talking about, after all. Consistently inconsistent.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Didn't you think it was odd that Chosen were the only unit that got a rules update in C: CSM "2" that didn't get new models? It could be possible that the reason they changed their options was because they already had the models, but have held off their release until now for some reason.


What changed was the "champion equipment list" in order to cater to the Blackstone Fortress Chaos Lord, the actual Chosen datasheet in the 8.5 book remains identical to what we saw in 8.0.

 Gert wrote:
The Word Bearers stuff is weird and doesn't make a lick of sense IMO..


Mileage may vary but the "leak" follows the lore & their 30k rules pretty closely; mortal wounds in cc representing their use of athames/tainted weapons, a resistance to mortals representing their use of hexagrammatic wards/daemonic blessings, and re-rolls when they charge/HI a pretty standard trope for religious nutjob factions in 40k.

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 Marshal Loss wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Didn't you think it was odd that Chosen were the only unit that got a rules update in C: CSM "2" that didn't get new models? It could be possible that the reason they changed their options was because they already had the models, but have held off their release until now for some reason.


What changed was the "champion equipment list" in order to cater to the Blackstone Fortress Chaos Lord, the actual Chosen datasheet in the 8.5 book remains identical to what we saw in 8.0.

The 8.0 Chosen entry allowed up to 4 Chosen to replace their boltgun with one item from the Combi-weapons, Special Weapons, or Melee Weapons (which is what thunder hammers were added to, not the "champion equipment list") lists. 8.5 allowed each Chosen to take one item from the Melee Weapons list and up to 4 could replace their boltgun with options from the Combi-weapons and Special Weapons lists. 8.0 allowed for ranged or melee loadouts. 8.5 allowed for both at the same time.
   
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Definitely an interesting set of rumors. The stuff that stands out is indeed that the legion traits apply to everything, which they've given in the past to cultists only to revoke it. I see that being the case if things get silly.

There's mention of all legions getting 6 warlord traits, 8 relics, and 8 stratagems, which is actually quite a large number of legion-specific. 6 legions inside the codex means 48 stratagems, not counting any stratagems that would be useable by any legion or custom legions.

No mention of Marks, but the Icons definitely are a bit of a buff, all in the form of actual combat benefits. I also wouldn't be surprised to see the Raptor datasheet change, since the box doesn't actually include any icons in it. It'll be interesting to see what other datasheets can take what icons, since the generic Chaos Marine box only comes with a universal icon type. Is it a model-based thing or is it going to be 'say whatever you want it to be' sort of thing?

Alpha Legion is curiously missing from the list, but I'm sure they'll crop up eventually.

Iron Warriors seems good. Fitting, powerful.

Black Legion is good, though if they ignore Combat Attrition then there's no point to take Icons of Vengeance, which is kinda odd. Otherwise, not bad.

Word Bearers seems quite potent on the surface of it. If they can get lots of guys in melee with lots of attacks, then I see them pumping out quite a lot of mortal wounds. Regular chaos marines might attack things like knights just to load them up with mortal wounds.

Emperor's Children is a bit interesting. Mention of them having a way to hit on 2's even with Thunder Hammers, juicy.

World Eaters: not in the book, yay. Coincides with other rumors that say that World Eaters are due this year with Angron in tow.

Finally we get to Night Lords. A flat +1 to advance and charge is already pretty good for just about anyone, it's just that they don't get much else out of their legion trait until specific things are covered. Any space-marine-equivalent that has its sgt will be dropped to leadership 7 base, so without a buff to that, such as with raptors or some other warlord trait or stratagem, the +1 to wound with melee just won't pop. Hordes are currently not the way to go, thanks to blast weapons, so more people are taking smaller groups, MSU. Custodes just won't care, Necrons wont care most of the time, all the MEQ armies wont care most of the time (oh woop de doo, you get a +1 to wound on the remaining 2 models out of my 5 man intercessor squad, and only with pistols, flamers, melta guns, and melee weapons).

The curious thing will be how this interacts with vehicles. Many space marine vehicles, except for storm raven and land raiders, have base leadership 8. Getting +1 to wound against vehicles in melee or with close range melta guns could actually be pretty juicy. If 'below half strength' also means 'below half wounds' then that could help against characters and vehicles as well.

That said, I could just as easily see this rule not applying to vehicles or monstrous creatures, which would be exactly the sort of thing GW would do to make it so that Night Lords remain completely uninteresting.

Warp Talons having no protection to overwatch is fine. I bet there's a stratagem that gives it back to them or something.

Mutilators? Good riddance. They were a half-baked idea with an awful model design that was made in finecast to top it all off. There are tons of other ways to get melee beefcakes to stomp across the table, and if you still have those models and like them for some reason, use them as Greater Possessed or something.

The last bit about the stratagems says that Night Lords get a way to deep strike jump packs turn 1 and also disable auras with another strat, which does make them pretty juicy. Being able to force someone to pop their single-use Insane Bravery turn 1 is definitely a strat.
   
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Updated rumours from the poster in question:

Spoiler:


Time for an update post



SM doctrine:

Similar to SM Doctrine, except exploding 6s (unmodified hits) instead of +1AP. Still 3 levels that affefct different weapons (the weapons listed below are not confirmed by my sources, but the ones in the legion traits are confirmed by my sources as well as the namez, so what I am about to list may be subject to change)
Destruction ''Doctrine'': Heavy/grenade
Massacre ''Doctrine'': Rapid fire/assault/pistol
Slaughter ''Doctrine'': Assault/pistol/melee

Marks:

Can only be applied to CORE & CHARACTERS



Icons:

vengeance +1 CA
wrath +1ap melee
flame +1ap shooting
excess +1 to hit melee
despair 6s to hit = autowound



All legions are getting 6 WT, 8 relics & 8 stratagems each (seems to be a lot from F&F but with some tweaks)



Legion traits:



NL

-2LD & -1CA @ 9''
+1 to advance & +1 to charges
Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee vs below half strenght unit or LD 6 and below = +1 to wound (Super doctrine)



IW

Ignores cover
Reduce ap1/2 by 1
Wanton Destruction: Heavy/grenade vs vehicules/buildings/units in cover = +1 to wound (Super doctrine)



WB

Charges/HI = reroll hits
5+++ vs MW
Wanton Slaughter: When using a pistol/assault/melee = 6s to wound cause 1MW (capped @ 3MW per unit) (Super doctrine)



BL

ignore CA
+1 to hit when charge or shoot closest unit
Wanton Massacre: rapid fire/assault/pistol = exploding 5s (hit) (Super doctrine)



EC (4chain leak, not from my sources)

in the book
have a way of consistently hitting on 2s (even with thunder hammers)

WE

Not in the codex

Red corsairs

In the codex



Creations of Bile

In the codex



Datasheet info:



Cypher

In the codex



Cult units (berzerkers/rubrics/plague marines, only noise marines are stille in the codex because EC wont be getting their own book very soon)

Are no longuer in the codex
Act like harlequins in CWE army, or like Scions in Guard (including them is like including fabius bile, it doesnt cancel you legion trait)
Always Elites
can benefit from army rules
Cannot gain a legion trait

Fallen

No in the codex

Chosen

3w
can use TH (unconfirmed)

Terminators

Loadout options similar to DG blightlords



Mutilators

no longer in the book



Warp talon

lost cancel overwatch
gained no fallback
5a (these are total with claws)



Raptors

still have the -1LD aura
+2a



Obliterators

can shoot units that are in engagement range with them (like wraithguard)
in melee they have powerfists without the -1 to hit
3 different shooting profiles



Havocs

exactly the same as right now but 2w



Stratagems

something to ignore invuls (4chan leak, so take with a grain of salt, leak said EC chosen could destory custodes hitting with TH on a 2+ and with strat ignore invul saves)
NL deepstrike strat for jump packs, DS turn 1
NL vox scream disables AURAS

Other:

IW ectoplasma forgefiend can hit on 2+ and does flat 4 damage (damage buff is a WLT)
New cultist unit HQ
New mutant culstists



Most important points:
Clarification on trait/doctrine interaction
Terminators have Blightlord style weapon options (RIP)
Cult units other than Noise Marines removed from the book but still usable

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This looks hella fake to me, just like all that Eldar stuff about hoods and antennas. 3W Chosen?? The WB and BL army traits don't make any sense and do not resemble anything that is 9th Ed design.

My feeling is most, if not all of this is fake.
   
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 Togusa wrote:
This looks hella fake to me, just like all that Eldar stuff about hoods and antennas. 3W Chosen?? The WB and BL army traits don't make any sense and do not resemble anything that is 9th Ed design.

My feeling is most, if not all of this is fake.


Sure, it's totally possible that it's all fake. But, that's why it's a rumor. Still fun to speculate
   
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Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

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Yeah Termies losing weapon options would be awful. Have they set a release date yet for the CSM codex?

   
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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Have they set a release date yet for the CSM codex?
They haven't even announced that it exists yet.

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That's a shame. If WE do get spun off into their own codex I imagine it'll be a ways later as well.
   
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 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

It's almost certainly a fake. The Terminator box can't make enough terminators with the same loadout to go the Blightlord route.
   
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 Laughing Man wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

It's almost certainly a fake. The Terminator box can't make enough terminators with the same loadout to go the Blightlord route.


Or reference was convoluted datasheet with only options that come in box and any configuration not in box(like 5 with chainaxe) is illegal.

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tneva82 wrote:
 Laughing Man wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

It's almost certainly a fake. The Terminator box can't make enough terminators with the same loadout to go the Blightlord route.


Or reference was convoluted datasheet with only options that come in box and any configuration not in box(like 5 with chainaxe) is illegal.

Literally every unit like this has a default loadout, like plague swords or axes on the Blightlords. The only weapon with two in the terminator box is the power fists, and you certainly can't outfit the whole unit with them. You'd have to specify an exact loadout for the entire squad.
   
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Yeah, seeing Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Rubric Marines as not only not in the codex but also not receiving Legion trait is a bit sus. That means in order to add in those very common units, you'd need to buy a whole other codex for one box.

That's pants.
   
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 Laughing Man wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

It's almost certainly a fake. The Terminator box can't make enough terminators with the same loadout to go the Blightlord route.


Neither can Blightlords; the Blightlord box comes with 3x swords and 3x axes yet the default loadout is 5 with swords. The Chaos Terminator box could easily have a default loadout of 5x with chainaxes but "1 per 5 can change their chainaxe for (x), 1 per 5 can change their chainaxe for (x)", etc.

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 Laughing Man wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 Laughing Man wrote:
 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Berzerkers, Plague Marines, and Rubrics are not in the codex? And our Terminators have lost the ability to take any combination of available weapons they've had for 26 years? Well I'm officially hoping this is a fake. As if that Night Lords trait wasn't bad enough......

It's almost certainly a fake. The Terminator box can't make enough terminators with the same loadout to go the Blightlord route.


Or reference was convoluted datasheet with only options that come in box and any configuration not in box(like 5 with chainaxe) is illegal.

Literally every unit like this has a default loadout, like plague swords or axes on the Blightlords. The only weapon with two in the terminator box is the power fists, and you certainly can't outfit the whole unit with them. You'd have to specify an exact loadout for the entire squad.


Which they likely could do. More likely than them being exception to 9th ed style which are exceedingly rare.

Or above style. Def not expecting everybody having same combi weapon if box doesn't come with 5 same combi weapons.

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I could see the default loadout being storm bolter and power fist but with plenty of the other options thrown in to customize your squad.

As for the Chosen, I see them being similar to the Sword Brethren from Black Templar, where they can all be made with chainsword/pistol but a few can be given other weapons.

Either way, we're very far from the old days of being able to give any model any weapon, sadly.
   
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drbored wrote:
Yeah, seeing Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Rubric Marines as not only not in the codex but also not receiving Legion trait is a bit sus. That means in order to add in those very common units, you'd need to buy a whole other codex for one box.

That's pants.


Yup, it's a kick in the nuts. I kinda see why they might do it, to prevent the same issues SM had for years with dodgy duplicate entries with different rules. But it does sting.

On the flip side let's hope the marked units can compensate for them being gone now, rather than just being a keyword.
   
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drbored wrote:
Yeah, seeing Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Rubric Marines as not only not in the codex but also not receiving Legion trait is a bit sus. That means in order to add in those very common units, you'd need to buy a whole other codex for one box.

That's pants.


This doesn't make a lick of sense! Doesn't the cover of the recent BL book have a Rubic and berzerker on it? Does this mean the codex will be "legion only" with no chaos warbands associated with nurgle or khorn getting any showing?
   
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 Fergie0044 wrote:
drbored wrote:
Yeah, seeing Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Rubric Marines as not only not in the codex but also not receiving Legion trait is a bit sus. That means in order to add in those very common units, you'd need to buy a whole other codex for one box.

That's pants.


This doesn't make a lick of sense! Doesn't the cover of the recent BL book have a Rubic and berzerker on it? Does this mean the codex will be "legion only" with no chaos warbands associated with nurgle or khorn getting any showing?


Well there's still hope these leaks are fake... But it does sound like something GW would do... I guess that if it's true we can definitely expect a stand alone EC codex, since it would mean GW rely aims to separate the mono god legions from the others. Looks like the merging of harlequins into Craftworld was a one time thing

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
 xttz wrote:
I suppose you can always see a pattern if you ignore any evidence to the contrary?
Oh for crying out loud...

Are you really going to sit there with a straight face and pretend that this weapon limiting via sprue isn't a thing?

It's been happening in just about every Codex this edition, starting with Marines and the wacky Primaris Captain options. It happened to Plague Marines and Terminators. It happened to Skitarii. It happened to Wyches. It happened with Burna Boyz and Lootaz. With Ork Kommandos. It happened to Sword Brethren. Hell it was happening even before that, what with the old Brood Brother entry.

Some escaped this (like the Sisters), and some don't have enough options in the first place for it to become an issue (Custodes), but please don't try and pretend like this isn't actually happening.


I think it's mostly random. GSC Neophytes can have two of each weapon but sprue only has one of each.

Also, Wyches were technically always limited to the sprue. It was bloodbrides that got that extra mileage and they technically never existed as an official model if one wants to be cheeky. Even in the Ork codex you have the new "sergeant" on burna boyz(limited to sprue) and then you have Nobz who can go all out on fittings. Then you have the Firstborn who can do whatever they want along with Sisters Retributors. Just feels like there is no rhyme or reason, or the oversight over the "grand plan" is just really, really bad(which it probably is).

So I would kind of argue that it is random when and if this is applied. I do, however, think that Death Guard got hit the worst with this which they suffer still to this day with. Just makes Plague Marines such a weird unit to field.


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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
That's a shame. If WE do get spun off into their own codex I imagine it'll be a ways later as well.


Unless there is a big reveal in LVO. Really hope we something big for our Chaos siblings.

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Cypher in the Codex. Fallen, not in the Codex.

Malal wept, the Fallen are just a tragedy of crappy rules design through and through.

There was that brief moment in 8th where they could be taken with Imperium armies.... and then they became completely useless when they decided Imperium and Chaos no longer counted for Battleforged armies.

And then they gave us a Specialist detachment which allowed them to pretend to be viable and actually game legal again.

And then 9th went, haha, no Specialist Detachments allowed in Matched play.

And then we got a WD article... which turned out to be a reprint word for word of the original Specialist Detachment rules. So once again, not valid in matched play.

And now they're just being casually forgotten.

Nevermind the fact the DA Veteran kit being used to push them has options they can't even take.


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 Fergie0044 wrote:
drbored wrote:
Yeah, seeing Plague Marines, Berzerkers, and Rubric Marines as not only not in the codex but also not receiving Legion trait is a bit sus. That means in order to add in those very common units, you'd need to buy a whole other codex for one box.

That's pants.


This doesn't make a lick of sense! Doesn't the cover of the recent BL book have a Rubic and berzerker on it? Does this mean the codex will be "legion only" with no chaos warbands associated with nurgle or khorn getting any showing?


There seems to be a definite effort in 9th to remove 'duplicate' datasheets where possible. GSC is the most obvious example with all the guard stuff gone now, plus there's all the convoluted marine units with special behaviour so they don't have to copy/paste similar datasheets into chapter supplements.

Presumably it's to make maintaining the rules easier, but really it's yet another symptom of game rules still relying on printed materials in 2022.
   
 
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