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 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.
   
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 Haighus wrote:
It looks to be pretty similar in size to a Hierophant, which are pretty spindly and lightweight for a scout-titan equivalent.

The annoying part being that lore wise it is actually a battle titan equivalent.

I admit that part of me is annoyed at the idea of getting a Tyranid LOW that is likely going to be at the wrong scale because the current FW models are at the wrong scale and I want the whole thing to be upscaled to their lore proportions.

I mean, Hierophant in the lore is a walking living mountain that can overpower a Warlord, hierophant on the TT is a tiny little thing smaller than a Warhound.

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Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.


I don’t get people’s dislike for aggregators. I mean, that’s like getting upset at Dakkadakka because Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass keep posting clearly fake rumours which never pan out.

Especially when the rumours do in fact pan out.

Please note I’m assuming Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass are fictional Dakka users here!

   
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 Tyran wrote:
 Haighus wrote:
It looks to be pretty similar in size to a Hierophant, which are pretty spindly and lightweight for a scout-titan equivalent.

The annoying part being that lore wise it is actually a battle titan equivalent.

I admit that part of me is annoyed at the idea of getting a Tyranid LOW that is likely going to be at the wrong scale because the current FW models are at the wrong scale and I want the whole thing to be upscaled to their lore proportions.

I mean, Hierophant in the lore is a walking living mountain that can overpower a Warlord, hierophant on the TT is a tiny little thing smaller than a Warhound.

Are the larger sizes from Epic? I guess they have been retconned.

Although it is entirely possible there are "lesser" and "greater Hierophants. After all, a Hive Tyrant is pretty obviously an upscaled Warrior, so there is some precedence.

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 Haighus wrote:

Are the larger sizes from Epic? I guess they have been retconned.

Although it is entirely possible there are "lesser" and "greater Hierophants. After all, a Hive Tyrant is pretty obviously an upscaled Warrior, so there is some precedence.

It isn't just from epic, the last 4-5 appareances of Hierophants in the lore puts them as Warlord equivalents.

In Warriors of Ultramar a Hierophant defeats a Capitol Imperialis.
In Valedor a Hierophant fights 2 Eldar Revenants and one Phantom titan, killing a Revenant and almost destroying the Phantom.
In Gates of the Devourer and Warlord: Fury of the God Machine, a Hierophant and a Warlord are evenly matched.
In Shield of Baal a Hierophant shrugs off the firepower of an entire Necron Army.

There is a very obvious disconnect between the model and the lore here.

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 Tyran wrote:
 Haighus wrote:

Are the larger sizes from Epic? I guess they have been retconned.

Although it is entirely possible there are "lesser" and "greater Hierophants. After all, a Hive Tyrant is pretty obviously an upscaled Warrior, so there is some precedence.

It isn't just from epic, the last 4-5 appareances of Hierophants in the lore puts them as Warlord equivalents.

In Warriors of Ultramar a Hierophant defeats a Capitol Imperialis.
In Valedor a Hierophant fights 2 Eldar Revenants and one Phantom titan, killing a Revenant and almost destroying the Phantom.
In Gates of the Devourer and Warlord: Fury of the God Machine, a Hierophant and a Warlord are evenly matched.
In Shield of Baal a Hierophant shrugs off the firepower of an entire Necron Army.

There is a very obvious disconnect between the model and the lore here.

Yeah, I agree that isn't very consistent.

Well, easiest reconciliation is that Hierophants come in different sizes.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.


I don’t get people’s dislike for aggregators. I mean, that’s like getting upset at Dakkadakka because Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass keep posting clearly fake rumours which never pan out.

Especially when the rumours do in fact pan out.

Please note I’m assuming Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass are fictional Dakka users here!


Its not an issue about aggregators, rumour collectors or even rumours discussions... its how you go about it... This fella and say Spikeybits share common clickbait behaviours which is something I avoid.

   
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It's also entirely possible that BL authors are messing things up (again).

Where's the Hydraphant that someone mentioned cropped up from, anyway?

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
- No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... 
   
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 Haighus wrote:
 Tyran wrote:
 Haighus wrote:

Are the larger sizes from Epic? I guess they have been retconned.

Although it is entirely possible there are "lesser" and "greater Hierophants. After all, a Hive Tyrant is pretty obviously an upscaled Warrior, so there is some precedence.

It isn't just from epic, the last 4-5 appareances of Hierophants in the lore puts them as Warlord equivalents.

In Warriors of Ultramar a Hierophant defeats a Capitol Imperialis.
In Valedor a Hierophant fights 2 Eldar Revenants and one Phantom titan, killing a Revenant and almost destroying the Phantom.
In Gates of the Devourer and Warlord: Fury of the God Machine, a Hierophant and a Warlord are evenly matched.
In Shield of Baal a Hierophant shrugs off the firepower of an entire Necron Army.

There is a very obvious disconnect between the model and the lore here.

Yeah, I agree that isn't very consistent.

Well, easiest reconciliation is that Hierophants come in different sizes.


Or that larger ones are so far rare enough no one has worked out or cared to work out they’re separate species, simply referring to the them as Ooooooh feth

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.


I don’t get people’s dislike for aggregators. I mean, that’s like getting upset at Dakkadakka because Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass keep posting clearly fake rumours which never pan out.

Especially when the rumours do in fact pan out.

Please note I’m assuming Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass are fictional Dakka users here!


Its not an issue about aggregators, rumour collectors or even rumours discussions... its how you go about it... This fella and say Spikeybits share common clickbait behaviours which is something I avoid.


So you discredit someone based purely on the titles of their articles and some dramatically worded content?
   
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Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.


I don’t get people’s dislike for aggregators. I mean, that’s like getting upset at Dakkadakka because Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass keep posting clearly fake rumours which never pan out.

Especially when the rumours do in fact pan out.

Please note I’m assuming Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass are fictional Dakka users here!


Its not an issue about aggregators, rumour collectors or even rumours discussions... its how you go about it... This fella and say Spikeybits share common clickbait behaviours which is something I avoid.


So you discredit someone based purely on the titles of their articles and some dramatically worded content?


I do what again? You're just getting weird now. I had the misfortune to bump on that fella channel and yikes no way I want that on my feeds. I dont come to Dakka to be lured into click/support his channel either.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 NAVARRO wrote:
 xttz wrote:
While Valrak has been right with some rumours before, it's worth pointing out that it was also this time last year that he said Tyranids would get "updated gaunts and other refreshed models" with their then-upcoming codex for 9e.

Although I guess if you keep mentioning obvious releases long enough they'll show up sooner or later...





Yep, throw the full list at the wall to see what sticks.
Nothing to see here but wishlists.


Nothing to see but rumours, there's no course to substantiate anything but he's been very accurate on his recent offerings imo.

He can't win because he doesn't name the source, if it's wrong he's trash, if it's close its a lucky guess and if it's true then it was "obvious". That's the fate of most rumour aggregators.


I don’t get people’s dislike for aggregators. I mean, that’s like getting upset at Dakkadakka because Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass keep posting clearly fake rumours which never pan out.

Especially when the rumours do in fact pan out.

Please note I’m assuming Chadwell O’Cheese and Nostradumbass are fictional Dakka users here!

And both of which are usernames I should've chosen for myself instead of a Cannibal Corpse album


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:
EviscerationPlague wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
RazorEdge wrote:
Why should they bring new Terminators for the Older Marines instead for the Primaris.

If we're lucky, it's a sign of someone in the Studio rediscovering something akin to "good taste".

TIL that better proportions = bad taste

Going the Primaris route for Terminators is something that we should be happy about.


There's far more of a difference to Primaris Marines than just "better proportions".

Not really.

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 Overread wrote:
Technically Tyranids got one of the first on the Trygon; however with Knights, Stompa and more on the tables now the scene is very different than it was when the Tyrgon landed. Even the Hierodules from forgeworld have both been reclassed as heavy instead of lord of war class because, honestly, whilst they were massive back when Carnifex were the biggest, they are now only average in size class.

So Tyranids do have a gap for a larger Lord of War - something not as big as a Heirophant, but bigger than many of their current bugs.
I could see a Dominatrix being one option for a Lord of War that would bring something powerful to the table and could be scaled down abit to make it practical for the tabletop.


Well again. If GW is to bring warlord level plastic imperium is much more likely to get warlord titan than tyranids.

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Would be hilarious if Primaris fit inside a Terminator armour but still not inside a Land Raider.

Knowing GW, they'll only fit inside a Land Raider when wearing Terminator armour, but only if they also carry a Twin Helfury Bolter and an El Nino missile launcher and it's tuesday.

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 Dysartes wrote:
It's also entirely possible that BL authors are messing things up (again).

Where's the Hydraphant that someone mentioned cropped up from, anyway?

The original Hierophant model from Epic was a battle titan equivalent, with the Hierodules being slightly smaller scout titan equivalents. When FW came out with their 40k scaled versions, they sized them down relatively speaking to make the Hierophant a scout titan and the Hierodules more in line with something like baneblades or knights.
This created an inconsistency between Epic and 40k.

The Hydraphant was the Epic rules writers attempt to resolve this. They said the Epic Hierodule models should be treated as Hierophants, and the Hierophant model should be treated as a new type of creature called a Hydraphant. They got as far as releasing this in a rules PDF, but I think GW stopped supporting Epic before any books or lore were written about it. Leaving the Hydraphant in a semi-canon state.

You can still see the Hydraphant in the current community rules document for Epic, but that's about the only place it exists.

In short, it's really just the original Hierophant model with a new name.

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1st up, I would like to see primaris terminators.

2nd up, I would like firstborn terminators more, and new firstborn terminators is actually a great idea from GW's POV - there are at least 5 firstborn imperial terminator kits currently (all of which kinda suck in comparison to modern scale/detail/proportioned kits), these could all be discontinued in favour of a single decent modern kit simultaneously ticking the boxes of fanservice and reduction of firstborn product lines in favour of primaris.
   
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 Insularum wrote:
1st up, I would like to see primaris terminators.

2nd up, I would like firstborn terminators more, and new firstborn terminators is actually a great idea from GW's POV - there are at least 5 firstborn imperial terminator kits currently (all of which kinda suck in comparison to modern scale/detail/proportioned kits), these could all be discontinued in favour of a single decent modern kit simultaneously ticking the boxes of fanservice and reduction of firstborn product lines in favour of primaris.


It would also mean that they could crank out half a dozen+ terminator upgrade frames for chapters etc., these would be guaranteed to sell well.
   
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Arson Fire wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
It's also entirely possible that BL authors are messing things up (again).

Where's the Hydraphant that someone mentioned cropped up from, anyway?

The original Hierophant model from Epic was a battle titan equivalent, with the Hierodules being slightly smaller scout titan equivalents. When FW came out with their 40k scaled versions, they sized them down relatively speaking to make the Hierophant a scout titan and the Hierodules more in line with something like baneblades or knights.
This created an inconsistency between Epic and 40k.

The Hydraphant was the Epic rules writers attempt to resolve this. They said the Epic Hierodule models should be treated as Hierophants, and the Hierophant model should be treated as a new type of creature called a Hydraphant. They got as far as releasing this in a rules PDF, but I think GW stopped supporting Epic before any books or lore were written about it. Leaving the Hydraphant in a semi-canon state.

You can still see the Hydraphant in the current community rules document for Epic, but that's about the only place it exists.

In short, it's really just the original Hierophant model with a new name.

Interesting. Looking at the Epic models compared to their 40k counterparts, it is quite reasonable too- the Epic Hierodules and Hierophant are quite similar, and nothing like the FW Hierodules. Decent retcon fudge.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Funnily enough I was just reading my Hive War book for Epic, brushing up on the as yet untranslated units.
Or finally give us the Dactylis.

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 Haighus wrote:

Interesting. Looking at the Epic models compared to their 40k counterparts, it is quite reasonable too- the Epic Hierodules and Hierophant are quite similar, and nothing like the FW Hierodules. Decent retcon fudge.


What do you mean retcon? Clearly some Imperial bureaucrat mixed up the paperwork the first time around.

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Who wants a model bigger than a FW warlord? How could be that even playable.

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 Galas wrote:
Who wants a model bigger than a FW warlord? How could be that even playable.


I know at least 3 people who have 3D printed a model 2X the height of a warlord - at least 1 got painted.
The designer of that model (who withdrew it in the end for various reasons) is now working on another similar scaled model. It actually has longer legs, but a more hunched body and less of a tower top means its coming out shorter - still in the Warlord and bigger scale.


But yeah Warlord sizes are bonkers. That's why we need more stuff in AT!

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 Overread wrote:
 Galas wrote:
Who wants a model bigger than a FW warlord? How could be that even playable.


I know at least 3 people who have 3D printed a model 2X the height of a warlord - at least 1 got painted.
The designer of that model (who withdrew it in the end for various reasons) is now working on another similar scaled model. It actually has longer legs, but a more hunched body and less of a tower top means its coming out shorter - still in the Warlord and bigger scale.


But yeah Warlord sizes are bonkers. That's why we need more stuff in AT!


Or, start making Chaos versions of the models so the game can be played in the 'modern era'. Then they can start making AT-scale models for regular 40k units.

...so, Epic?

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My source inside the design studio, Totes McRealguy, told me that Chadwell O'Cheese is the pen name Andy Chambers is using to write the 10e ruleset, which he's reverting back to Second Edition Part II, Template Boogaloo. It's true! The box set is going to have Sensei Warbands vs Space Slaan.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Or finally give us the Dactylis.


I can't remember and my books are stowed away - was the Dactylis the draggy-claws, the back-canon, or the spore-yeeter?

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Dactylis was the spore-yeeter
The one with two long arms that threw balls in the air at the enemy - but yeah huge spore thrower.



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The Tyranid Basilisk, as it basically was in Epic.

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modern terminators would be fan friggin tastic. Love what they did with Abaddon.

Don't really care if they call them Primaris or "firstborn" as long as they look awesome.
   
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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Tyranid Basilisk, as it basically was in Epic.


Isn't that more the Exocrine - ergo massive gun Tyranid.
Granted in Epic there likely is room for multiple types of artillery types quite easily.


Certainly Tyranids could gain a super-spore thrower variation.

Meanwhilst I think the idea of a transport Tyranid has basically been done away with and replaced with a birthing Tyranid and the drop-pods. Which I think fit the army really well at 40K scale and even at Epic scale I think would work well. Esp as Tyranids have gained a lot more tunnelling and such to move around with instead of using dedicated transports.

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 Overread wrote:
Isn't that more the Exocrine - ergo massive gun Tyranid.
Exocrine was the Russ. It was a battle tank (bug!). Big direct fire cannon.

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Admittedly I'm unsure if the Dactylis can be done without it looking silly. But yes a Dactylis/Malefactor kit would be amazing and actually provide currently unavailable capabilities beyond simply being larger monsters.

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