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If i'd only sculpted a half dozen minis before, and then made these then, other than the feet, i'd be pretty happy. I wouldnt expect anyone to pay cash money for them. I feel genuinely sorry for the people who pledged on this based on the original sculpts.
The people who pledged on the sea monster one, well they took their chances.

what I cant comprehend is the people who are still defending them. My guess is some kind of wargaming Stockholm Symdrome.

edited for clarity

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Pete Melvin wrote:


what I cant comprehend is the people who are still defending them. My guess is some kind of wargaming Stockholm Symdrome.

Or sockpuppet accounts from the scammers perhaps?
Though the spelling seems a bit too good for that.

   
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Escalation of commitment. They can't admit that they were wrong in backing this project, so have to defend their position.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment

Assume I wrote, "Yeah, good luck with that" at the end of my post.  
   
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Seeing those awesome sculpts, i am sure mierce is worried

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 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Seeing those awesome sculpts, i am sure mierce is worried


Well I'm sure Rob Lane is taking notes in any case

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FINAL SCULPTS


   
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Ahahahahaha

I do feel for the poor shmos who backed this train wreck. ADW are without shame.

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Svalarheima, MA

I don't know what to say...
   
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I seem to remember saying ITT that the worst possibility could very well be fulfillment of this KS.

That nightmare scenario could still happen guys.



   
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Sweet mother of Jeebus those sculpts are terrible. :O

   
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The Plantations

Maybe these models will be line the old Nagash model in that people try to make them look decent with a spectacular paint job.
   
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About this kickstarter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxyRh9c8IcM&t=0m36s

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These are just awful.

I think I've seen gak come out of my wife's elementary school that are more competent....

 
   
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Wow... Yeah.. those models.. um.. I'm almost speechless. The only thing that would make them more sad would be if they cast them in 2012 quality finecast. I do have to admit though that I actually LOL'ed when I saw the Black Panther Yeti at the bottom. Fight the power!

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 warboss wrote:
Wow... Yeah.. those models.. um.. I'm almost speechless. The only thing that would make them more sad would be if they cast them in 2012 quality finecast. I do have to admit though that I actually LOL'ed when I saw the Black Panther Yeti at the bottom. Fight the power!


I thought the exact same thing.

That casteline was wasted.


Still, if all goes to plan this is another successful Kickstarter project to add to the list.

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oh boy... oh wow...
   
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Well then, those will make rather fine, uh, erm.

I suppose you could... I mean...



Maybe just leave that particular package closed when it arrives. Preferably under 3" of concrete.

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The Plantations

This could probably be turned into propaganda for GW:

"See, this is what you get if you don't buy from us. We have the best sculpted models in the world"
   
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There have been "progress" on the SeaMonsters kickstarter as well a few days ago. I assume it's showing some activity to stop chargebacks to go through, since there may still be time for refunds on this one.

It's not looking much better there though. In fact I think those sculpts are even worse than what has been shown on IAM.


What in god's name is that "Kelpie" even supposed to be? A horse/lion/tree hybrid with giant fangs?

Allegedly the sculptor has 20 years experience at Disney (although apparently in a field other than sculpting)

   
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He probably spent 20 years at the ticket window at Disney World.
   
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How do they explain the difference between these pictures (aka, 'reality') and their campaign promises/words?

Ouch!
   
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For what it's worth, isn't a kelpie supposed to be some sort of lion/ dog/ tree with giant fangs?

Really wish I backed that Sea Monster campaign. That's all sorts of awesome!

I can't wait for the Carnival campaign next month! How about you guys?

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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
For what it's worth, isn't a kelpie supposed to be some sort of lion/ dog/ tree with giant fangs?

Really wish I backed that Sea Monster campaign. That's all sorts of awesome!

I can't wait for the Carnival campaign next month! How about you guys?


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 Alpharius wrote:
How do they explain the difference between these pictures (aka, 'reality') and their campaign promises/words?

Ouch!


Devils Advocate hat on:

What were the promises, really? their were backer expectations but as always caveat emptor!

Quality is subjective.

And from the initial sculpts they would be seen as concepts and subject to change - they have changed.

Backers look like they are getting their minis, this KS will eventually complete. ADW gets a project completed and KS have another win on their books to brag about and a percentage of the funds in their bank.

Its win all round folks.

Slow hand claps for all!

   
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Too close to Jersey.

Oh...muh...gerd. (Not 'god', gerd...I just threw up a little.)

Those remind me of premolded children's bath bar soap. After being used heavily by grubby fingered toddlers. Possibly even after being fished from a P trap by coat hanger. Did Fido bite them? I mean...

...wow. Not a fan. My cat's kitty litter leavings give those a run for the money. Yikes.
   
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Pete Melvin wrote:
 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Seeing those awesome sculpts, i am sure mierce is worried

Well I'm sure Rob Lane is taking notes in any case

Oooh, I see what you did there . Zing...

As to these sculpts - yeah, crikey.
   
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 Alpharius wrote:
I don't know what to say...


KS is not a store. That's what I say.

Sure, it's a "mantra" but I like money. I saw their first KS for 15mm miniatures. This KS was not only badly organized, but, when I asked about the ruleset (use that Contact Creator button before the KS ends!), the creator said they did not show the ruleset because they though another party would steal it (wrong, if you know what BGG and PnP mean) and that they weren't aware of any other game KS that provided the rules free (totally and thoroughly wrong). And, during their second KS, they had, in the FAQ, this ranty borderline nutso statement that they would report anyone making misogynist statements about the creator. I was going to give *my* money to *these* people? Yeah. No. Turns out, they were even crazier on the Reaper forum message boards, but, per Reaper policy, all negative posts are deleted. Yes, some forum members *did* back ADW because they did not read these posts.

More importantly, they were pretty much giving away miniatures are fire-sale prices. Stores do that and KS is not a store. Repeat the mantra: KS is not a store. [MOD EDIT - No Expletive Filter 'Workarounds' - Alpharius] not a store. Stores do that because they have excess inventory and need the cash. Projects typically don't have inventory at funding, so you need to ask questions why they are willing to lose money. If you don't get this information, save up your money for the next KS. I wasn't *that* interested in the miniatures, so didn't pursue further. I'm not giving away my money to someone who's ranting like the toothless guy at the end of the street.

Anyway, much like the 1/2 cent missing from the bank account, I eventually dug into this ADW stuff, and you can see the results in this thread. So repeat after me the g*ddamn mantra: KS is not a store.

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 Mr. Burning wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
How do they explain the difference between these pictures (aka, 'reality') and their campaign promises/words?

Ouch!


Devils Advocate hat on:

What were the promises, really? their were backer expectations but as always caveat emptor!

Quality is subjective.

And from the initial sculpts they would be seen as concepts and subject to change - they have changed.

Backers look like they are getting their minis, this KS will eventually complete. ADW gets a project completed and KS have another win on their books to brag about and a percentage of the funds in their bank.

Its win all round folks.

Slow hand claps for all!


To a certain degree there might be a case to be made in ADW's favor using that argument.
Still, there is a substantial difference in the style and quality of the sculpts shown before (which ADW were never in posession of) and the lumps of castelline that has been shown after funding were completed. I think that it could also be ruled that the presentation of the kickstarter were intentionally misleading and that ADW never had the means or the intention to produce the product that they were giving backers reason to believe they would be recieving.

Of course it probably will never see a court anyway and I seriously doubt that the sculpts will ever be produced and shipped. The cost of material and postage alone would seriously eat into any profit they would make if they just keep the cash and stay on the run from the law.

Any updates are probably just made to stall, confuse and avoid chargebacks from credit card companies.

   
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Zywus wrote:
 Mr. Burning wrote:
 Alpharius wrote:
How do they explain the difference between these pictures (aka, 'reality') and their campaign promises/words?

Ouch!


Devils Advocate hat on:

What were the promises, really? their were backer expectations but as always caveat emptor!

Quality is subjective.

And from the initial sculpts they would be seen as concepts and subject to change - they have changed.

Backers look like they are getting their minis, this KS will eventually complete. ADW gets a project completed and KS have another win on their books to brag about and a percentage of the funds in their bank.

Its win all round folks.

Slow hand claps for all!


To a certain degree there might be a case to be made in ADW's favor using that argument.
Still, there is a substantial difference in the style and quality of the sculpts shown before (which ADW were never in posession of) and the lumps of castelline that has been shown after funding were completed. I think that it could also be ruled that the presentation of the kickstarter were intentionally misleading and that ADW never had the means or the intention to produce the product that they were giving backers reason to believe they would be recieving.

Of course it probably will never see a court anyway and I seriously doubt that the sculpts will ever be produced and shipped. The cost of material and postage alone would seriously eat into any profit they would make if they just keep the cash and stay on the run from the law.

Any updates are probably just made to stall, confuse and avoid chargebacks from credit card companies.


Zywus has it, I think.

Also, let's say they do somehow, miraculously, ship these models. This is a clear case of a bait and switch, which is defined on good ol' google as:

the action (generally illegal) of advertising goods that are an apparent bargain, with the intention of substituting inferior or more expensive goods.
"a bait-and-switch scheme"

It's that "inferior" part that's the clincher, here.

But, they don't have to explain anything. Because, you see, it's "caveat emptor" and "kickstarter is not a store," so bait and switch scams are apparently a-ok

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