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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Derek H wrote:
If you don't like then play other games.

Wow, really. This old line?

And it doesn't even make any sense in context.

When I said "only game in town", it was in a broader, metaphorical sense. I was't specifically referring to 40k. How did you not get that?

Perhaps he's a bit confused?

BrianDavion wrote:
it amuses me how night and day this place is compared to say.. every community discord I've been in.

not really a suprise, Dakka is old, Discord is rather new
so you have a lot of people here who are with GW since the early days have played different versions of most of their games and seen the different kind of community intereaction

so that the hot new stuff that people on discord are happy about it just get a "I have seen this one before, lets see if they get it right this time"

on those community discords I am in, no one cares about WH+ at all and all the hype is about 3D printing for Stargrave

 TheBestBucketHead wrote:
I only need to trust that they won't stage the winner, to try and pretend there's balance in 40k.

Unless they are putting out dozens of battlereps everyday, the sample size alone would be too small to even factor it into the big balance equation.

Then you might not have cut throat tournament lists on both sides, unequally skilled players, both players not equally familiar with both armies and maybe more.

If it would come down to real, but onesided and boring, I would even rather have them staged but close and entertaining.

Only Sigmar and 40k models. Bleh.
Assassin looks very cool.
Not subscribing, doesn't seem worth it.

 CragHack wrote:
Only Sigmar and 40k models. Bleh.
Assassin looks very cool.
Not subscribing, doesn't seem worth it.

I mean those are their main lines.

 CragHack wrote:
Only Sigmar and 40k models. Bleh.
Assassin looks very cool.
Not subscribing, doesn't seem worth it.

If it was a choice between an Emperor titan for Adeptus Titanicus or airborne Greater Daemons for Aeronautica Imperialis you'd be in?

Because I would be....

mrspadge wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

mrspadge wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Popped in to see what this thread had devolved into, not disappointed.

Been a while since I posted in this forum.. months if not years....

But, unless I missed the sarcasm, glad I'm not the only one that uses this place to check what the bottom half of the hobby is up to

it amuses me how night and day this place is compared to say.. every community discord I've been in.

there you see stuff like "hmm not sure I'm intreasted personally but an intreasting idea" here it's like "GW IS DOING SOMETHING! THE TIME OF THE APOCLYPSE IS UPON US!"

Yeah

To try and keep somewhat on the topic of the thread at hand....

I was thinking of cancelling my 40k app, purely because 2 of the units I regularly use in the list builder haven't had their incorrect rules/points updated for a good while...

But then I spotted the community article about warhammer+ and thought it looks pretty solid value for all the backlog stuff alone.... for a couple of quid more than I already paid the 40k app....

So, I'm going to give it a shot. If it disappoints, I'll cancel it. Job done. But its looking like great value for what's being offered, let's wait and see


.....but I'll keep an eye in dakka's forums to see how big the tyre fire gets on the subject

Well if you keep the app

"Already a Warhammer 40,000 app subscriber? As a way of saying thanks, if you upgrade your subscription into a Warhammer+ sub in the first month after its launch, you’ll get your exclusive free model after nine months, rather than 12. That’s three months earlier than everyone else!

Even better, as an existing Warhammer 40,000 app subscriber, if you take out a full year’s subscription, you’ll receive an additional free gift too." - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/06/23/warhammer-is-unmissable-heres-everything-you-need-to-know/

At this point I imagine I’ll end up a subscriber just for the apps. It’s ~2 a month now for the 40k app. I assume the AoS app will end up the same price, so ~4 for both. Compared to ~5 that gives you both apps plus more?

Pretty much expected it to be too thin on content and I'm not surprised its patched up with freebies with limited appeal. They scored an own goal here by not including the BL audio dramas.

the App is 2,99, so 6 for both compared to 5 for WH+

I'm most excited for the backlog of older books, be really nice to read the old campaign books I never bought.

My main hope is that the streaming app is castable to the TV easily with chromecast/whatever. That'll be a huge thing for me.

for $60 or so a year, this is a no-brainer for me. Comes out on my Fiancée's birthday, so I'll probably not make too big of a deal about it release day lol, she's not going to want to watch Hammer and Bolter on her birthday

BrianDavion wrote:

mrspadge wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Popped in to see what this thread had devolved into, not disappointed.

Been a while since I posted in this forum.. months if not years....

But, unless I missed the sarcasm, glad I'm not the only one that uses this place to check what the bottom half of the hobby is up to

it amuses me how night and day this place is compared to say.. every community discord I've been in.

there you see stuff like "hmm not sure I'm intreasted personally but an intreasting idea" here it's like "GW IS DOING SOMETHING! THE TIME OF THE APOCLYPSE IS UPON US!"

I'm ver angry over what they are doing with digital rules in multiple places, thank you very much.

 kodos wrote:


My main problem with GW battle-report videos nowadays is that I don't trust them to get the rules right and/or don't use house rules without telling the people in advance
leading to problems because "they should know how to play"

It's not like Youtube battle reports are immune from this either, though. The number of times I've seen one of the Miniwargaming hosts be unsure about a specific rule with a "Let me know in the comments how this works" comment. Or the errors that don't get caught by the hosts, and then you read the comments and see a bunch of people correcting them.

Ideally, battle reports done by GW themselves should always have all the rules down correctly, but let's be honest, we all know that's not going to happen.

stratigo wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

mrspadge wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Popped in to see what this thread had devolved into, not disappointed.

Been a while since I posted in this forum.. months if not years....

But, unless I missed the sarcasm, glad I'm not the only one that uses this place to check what the bottom half of the hobby is up to

it amuses me how night and day this place is compared to say.. every community discord I've been in.

there you see stuff like "hmm not sure I'm intreasted personally but an intreasting idea" here it's like "GW IS DOING SOMETHING! THE TIME OF THE APOCLYPSE IS UPON US!"

I'm ver angry over what they are doing with digital rules in multiple places, thank you very much.

Same. It’s been aggravating me since they started it in 40k ninth and I’m not pleased to see it continuing into AoS.

Units removed from the DE codex in 7th edition because GW couldn't be arsed making models for them:
- Dracon
- Lesser Haemonculus
- Vect
- The Duke
- Lady malys
- The Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx

This is on top of DE also losing:
- Archon on Skyboard
- Archon on Jetbike
- Haemonculus on Skyboard
- Haemonculus on Jetbike

In 8th Dark eldar got 0 new models (and I don't mean replacement sculpts, I mean actual new models.)

In 9th Dark Eldar got 0 new models.

"What does any of this have to do with the subscription service?", you might be wondering

Well, apparently GW just don't have the resources to give Dark Eldar any new models to replace the 11 units that have been removed from their book over the years. But it seems they do have the resources to make a fething second Vindicare sculpt sitting on top of a statue with stilts. Thank goodness. No imperial player could possibly have endured had GW not devoted their apparently very-limited resources to making that particular joy.

Call me bitter if you wish but when it's been over 10 years since my army received an actual new model, after having had about 1/4 of its units removed, I'm afraid seeing GW instead spend resources making yet more pointless tat to jangle in front of soon-to-be subscribers like a set of keys before a child neither endears me towards GW nor inclines me towards subscribing.

 vipoid wrote:
Units removed from the DE codex in 7th edition because GW couldn't be arsed making models for them:
- Dracon
- Lesser Haemonculus
- Vect
- The Duke
- Lady malys
- The Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx

This is on top of DE also losing:
- Archon on Skyboard
- Archon on Jetbike
- Haemonculus on Skyboard
- Haemonculus on Jetbike

In 8th Dark eldar got 0 new models (and I don't mean replacement sculpts, I mean actual new models.)

In 9th Dark Eldar got 0 new models.

"What does any of this have to do with the subscription service?", you might be wondering

Well, apparently GW just don't have the resources to give Dark Eldar any new models to replace the 11 units that have been removed from their book over the years. But it seems they do have the resources to make a fething second Vindicare sculpt sitting on top of a statue with stilts. Thank goodness. No imperial player could possibly have endured had GW not devoted their apparently very-limited resources to making that particular joy.

Call me bitter if you wish but when it's been over 10 years since my army received an actual new model, after having had about 1/4 of its units removed, I'm afraid seeing GW instead spend resources making yet more pointless tat to jangle in front of soon-to-be subscribers like a set of keys before a child neither endears me towards GW nor inclines me towards subscribing.

inb4 someone says "But you got two whole units remade in the past edition so you have no right to complain" and calls you an entitled bastard

 vipoid wrote:
Units removed from the DE codex in 7th edition because GW couldn't be arsed making models for them:
- Dracon
- Lesser Haemonculus
- Vect
- The Duke
- Lady malys
- The Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx

This is on top of DE also losing:
- Archon on Skyboard
- Archon on Jetbike
- Haemonculus on Skyboard
- Haemonculus on Jetbike

In 8th Dark eldar got 0 new models (and I don't mean replacement sculpts, I mean actual new models.)

In 9th Dark Eldar got 0 new models.

"What does any of this have to do with the subscription service?", you might be wondering

Well, apparently GW just don't have the resources to give Dark Eldar any new models to replace the 11 units that have been removed from their book over the years. But it seems they do have the resources to make a fething second Vindicare sculpt sitting on top of a statue with stilts. Thank goodness. No imperial player could possibly have endured had GW not devoted their apparently very-limited resources to making that particular joy.

Call me bitter if you wish but when it's been over 10 years since my army received an actual new model, after having had about 1/4 of its units removed, I'm afraid seeing GW instead spend resources making yet more pointless tat to jangle in front of soon-to-be subscribers like a set of keys before a child neither endears me towards GW nor inclines me towards subscribing.

I run IG, so I absolutely feel your pain on this - that said, I'd wonder if these may simply have been alternate sculpts that didn't make it onto their respective kits when they were being made. I don't know much about what happens between the drawing board and the first kit being sold in stores, but depending on the lead time, they may not have been able to make separate minis for this (even if they did have enough time from the initial Warhammer+ meeting to the release date, the extra-minis-as-incentive may have been added some time afterwards).

Still not subbing because I have a thing about subscription services, mind, and I find myself agreeing/sympathizing more with the negative comments than the positive ones. I just don't think we have enough information to condemn GW for the minis in this specific instance.

I'm gonna say this and hope it comes across as I mean it lol.

I am not going to subscribe because I don't have a need or a want for it. Lol no hate or praise on gw either way.

I like the idea of having a resource that let's me not have to buy 6 to 8 books a year to keep up to date on the rules but after years of struggling with this I just decided to stick to 8th and then if I want updated rules I go with a third party army builder. Honestly the only time I would need updated rules would be if I wanted to attend a modern tourney buuuuut that is rare.

On the exclusive minis meh I have versions of them already.

The only thing tempting would be the animations and the past rule books. To be honest those are not that strong of a pull either since I subscribe to a bunch of content like that already.

All in all it is really a wash for me personally. Some good ideas but nothing really pressing.

It reminds me of DC universe online, which offered similar content. That went flat quickly so it makes me wonder what this "software as a service" is going to do.

I see a price hike after the first year easily.

 vipoid wrote:
Units removed from the DE codex in 7th edition because GW couldn't be arsed making models for them:
- Dracon
- Lesser Haemonculus
- Vect
- The Duke
- Lady malys
- The Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx

This is on top of DE also losing:
- Archon on Skyboard
- Archon on Jetbike
- Haemonculus on Skyboard
- Haemonculus on Jetbike

In 8th Dark eldar got 0 new models (and I don't mean replacement sculpts, I mean actual new models.)

In 9th Dark Eldar got 0 new models.

"What does any of this have to do with the subscription service?", you might be wondering

Well, apparently GW just don't have the resources to give Dark Eldar any new models to replace the 11 units that have been removed from their book over the years. But it seems they do have the resources to make a fething second Vindicare sculpt sitting on top of a statue with stilts. Thank goodness. No imperial player could possibly have endured had GW not devoted their apparently very-limited resources to making that particular joy.

Call me bitter if you wish but when it's been over 10 years since my army received an actual new model, after having had about 1/4 of its units removed, I'm afraid seeing GW instead spend resources making yet more pointless tat to jangle in front of soon-to-be subscribers like a set of keys before a child neither endears me towards GW nor inclines me towards subscribing.

I sincerly doubt it's LE minis that are causing the delay in dark eldar stuff and would you really want GW to put out a Vect mini only to have it be a limited time subscriber thing?

 vipoid wrote:
Units removed from the DE codex in 7th edition because GW couldn't be arsed making models for them:
- Dracon
- Lesser Haemonculus
- Vect
- The Duke
- Lady malys
- The Decapitator
- Baron Sathonyx

This is on top of DE also losing:
- Archon on Skyboard
- Archon on Jetbike
- Haemonculus on Skyboard
- Haemonculus on Jetbike

In 8th Dark eldar got 0 new models (and I don't mean replacement sculpts, I mean actual new models.)

In 9th Dark Eldar got 0 new models.

"What does any of this have to do with the subscription service?", you might be wondering

Well, apparently GW just don't have the resources to give Dark Eldar any new models to replace the 11 units that have been removed from their book over the years. But it seems they do have the resources to make a fething second Vindicare sculpt sitting on top of a statue with stilts. Thank goodness. No imperial player could possibly have endured had GW not devoted their apparently very-limited resources to making that particular joy.

Call me bitter if you wish but when it's been over 10 years since my army received an actual new model, after having had about 1/4 of its units removed, I'm afraid seeing GW instead spend resources making yet more pointless tat to jangle in front of soon-to-be subscribers like a set of keys before a child neither endears me towards GW nor inclines me towards subscribing.

Over the past 10 years GW released/updated all of the specalist games, board games, AoS and several 40k armies. A single Vindicare is not the reason you don't get models.

If GW wanted to, they would and they could.

Derek H wrote:

 AngryAngel80 wrote:
Still don't like it, not getting it, paying these greedy buggers even more for stuff I have lived just fine without is not on my agenda.

As for the " Love it or leave it " seemingly straight out of the past mindset regarding GW, yeah the fanboys gonna fanboy. That mentality wasn't right in the past, still not right today and anyone who says love it or leave it should do us all a favor and leave themselves. Blind fanaticism for a product doesn't do it any favors and in fact is something that drags it down making a company blind to its failings over time till it all breaks apart.

That's a nice straw man you've got there.

GW have been behaving like the multinational public company they are for decades. To expect them to behave any differently because of what you say on the Internet is just stupid. Their sales, profit margin on sales and share price are all higher than they've ever been. They're doing something right. And it doesn't involve listening to you.

Moaning about what you see as their failings isn't going to make a blind bit of difference. They know people like you don't like them as a company, they know you don't like the way they operate and they also know it's highly likely you were never going to buy the product you're moaning about, as you admit, or that you will buy it anyway.

I'm certainly not saying "Love it or Leave it", I'm saying that when people hate it all so much and the way GW behaves causes them so much anguish then perhaps they should consider playing a different game.

It would be good for their mental health and they could save yourself a lot of money. Why stay involved with a part of the miniature wargaming hobby you hate so much?







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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Derek H wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

I can't imagine that you haven't been around long enough to notice that GW does this all the time. They may be the biggest game in town, but they like to pretend that they're the only game in town.

If you don't like then play other games.

"If you don't love everything GW does, you have no right to play Warhammer or even interact with people who play Warhammer, or state your opinion on Warhammer."

Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

I didn't say that. I don't love everything GW does and I don't play Warhammer, though I certainly have the right to do so should I wish. I do play Warcry occasionally and I sometimes state my opinion on Warhammer.

I mostly play non-GW games and I sometimes by GW models and play them in different games. What is your point here?

Speaking of straw mans welcome scarecrow, much like that character though I wish you'd gotten to speak to the Wizard of that far away land to get your wish granted as well. Since when is the behavior of many multinational corporations actually seen as a good thing ? I'd say most these days are far from good and hence why they end up as the bad guys in most near future or far future visions of our own future. They are morally empty and lacking of any real virtue and do little but look at the world and everyone in it as items. They aren't worthy of your, my or any of our respect when they foul up nor are they worthy or gratitude when they choose to do what they should have done all along.

A company however that doesn't listen to its customers, ever is doomed for failure and I hope for their sake they don't just listen to the blind fan boys who claim they can do no wrong. Moaning about me disliking their choices isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to me either bud yet here you are giving it to me anyways, much like I give it to GW. You very much are saying love it or leave it or more over love it or say nothing. Just because someone doesn't like a companies choices doesn't mean they hate the whole game or even the whole hobby aspect from this company. Much like another fictional character a sith you seem to think there is but absolutes to this scenario, when that is far from true. You can like something, love it even but disagree with a direction it goes. You can as well disagree and speak out on something without it causing some sort of mental distress, unless your telling me you taking exception to my words somehow has caused you mental anguish. If it did I am sorry but some of us can dislike something without it turning us into deranged hate monsters.

Sometimes we voice our dislike in hopes the source of it will change for the better, because it isn't just a love it or leave type of issue yeah ? If you took even a moment to check out some of my posts I say when they do good, I say when they do bad, just so happens they've done more bad recently than I'd care to admit to myself. So unless you wanna be me, please don't tell me where my energy can be better served. I'm plenty relaxed and capable of voicing out on something I dislike on a forum based on opinions, thanks much. What would be great for my mental health is people actually worrying about themselves more and trying to devalue others opinions less by just claiming " They are making the monies so theys good ! ". Lots of terrible things and people can make vast profits, doesn't make it the right way to do things. Also doesn't mean they might not make more money if they listened to some of their detractors sometimes but we'll never know as you say they don't give a fig about any of us.

I wonder what the extra gift for app subs is..

I also wonder whether people will group up to but it if that’s possible like most other streaming service apps etc

Danny76 wrote:
I wonder what the extra gift for app subs is..

I also wonder whether people will group up to but it if that’s possible like most other streaming service apps etc

Included minis might actually prompt more people to subscribe, rather then just sharing a login to watch.

BrianDavion wrote:
I sincerly doubt it's LE minis that are causing the delay in dark eldar stuff

FWIW, my point wasn't that these exclusive models were the sole things standing between DE and new units. It's just the complete lack of awareness on GW's part.

Same reason I find it frustrating when Primaris get 20+ different Lieutenant models. Whatever their actual intention, it feels like GW rubbing it in the faces of armies that haven't received a new unit in over a decade (or armies like Eldar, who are still using Rogue Trader era sculpts).

BrianDavion wrote:
would you really want GW to put out a Vect mini only to have it be a limited time subscriber thing?

If it means GW putting new units in the DE Codex, then they can make the models as exclusive as they fething well like.

I'll convert Vect (actually, I probably won't because I have no interest in the guy, but that's beside the point ), I'll convert The Decapitator, I'll convert baron Sthonyx, I'll convert a Mandrake Lord (and have), I'll convert a Scourge Supreme, I'll convert a Master Incubus etc..

It's a hell of a lot easier to convert models for pre-existing units I don't (or can't) own than it is to write homebrew rules for entirely new units and convince people to let me use them.

 Nevelon wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
I wonder what the extra gift for app subs is..

I also wonder whether people will group up to but it if that’s possible like most other streaming service apps etc

Included minis might actually prompt more people to subscribe, rather then just sharing a login to watch.

True. But it’s the tiniest part of the sub. Everything else is online content.
I could see people divvying the cost (minus the model let’s say).
5 people pay £5 a year and one of them pays the other £25 and gets the model.

Yeah only works if you only have one for the model. And I guess for the apps and stuff it’d share details etc so would be tricky there as you couldn’t all use them.
But just for the animated show and WHTV series and all that. They could easily get their worth out of it probably.

This site really does have its own Godwin’s law.

No matter the subject, eventually someone will start moaning about Eldar/guard or whatever models not being updated since 199X.

It’s so boring.

 General Kroll wrote:
This site really does have its own Godwin’s law.

No matter the subject, eventually someone will start moaning about Eldar/guard or whatever models not being updated since 199X.

It’s so boring.

Having the same fething models since Bill Clinton was president is quite boring too.

Hey it used to includes Sisters of Battle until last year

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
This site really does have its own Godwin’s law.

No matter the subject, eventually someone will start moaning about Eldar/guard or whatever models not being updated since 199X.

It’s so boring.

Having the same fething models since Bill Clinton was president is quite boring too.

Wrong comparison, some people still think Bill Clinton was 10 years ago.

I really wonder of the eldar range will ever get a makeover. The banshee made me hopeful for one, but that was, iirc, already two years ago. Seems like they have nothing more in the pipeline for them, which is a huge shame. If they ever get redone, i hope they have a more alien look (like some of the art) and look less like elves in space